MayorgaFan said:
That is what I was getting at and if appears I was wrong so hopefully my weak caveat in the above post will suffice. It was just an obersvation and not a shot at you Joey (if you read this). Keep up the good work Box.
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That is what I was getting at and if appears I was wrong so hopefully my weak caveat in the above post will suffice. It was just an obersvation and not a shot at you Joey (if you read this). Keep up the good work Box.
1. it is unethical to bet into lines where a mistake was made putting it up. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes not so obvious. There are different types of bad lines though . Sometimes a line is just WRONG like gatti-baldomir being +400 and it wasn't up anywhere else. That was a wrong line but not bad, it was put up just how they wanted it (even if it was a stupid number). There was nothing wrong with taking Baldomir at +400. What is wrong is taking reversed lines when you know they are reversed. Period, there is no rationalizing it.
mayorga...i have to say it...imo,you`re nothing more than joey`s sock puppet....
you show me where it says in a books regulations that the player must notify the book if a line looks off....
how far off?...please give me definitive parameters....
if there`s no parameters,what`s the exact rule of thumb?...
is it a judgement call?....
i thought the montiel/ivan hernandez line was a mistake...i was wrong...
i don`t have the time to f-ck around with this crap...
cause you say it doesn`t make it so...
if the line`s posted...i`m playing it....i`m not a mind reader...it`s not the bettor`s responsibility....
i`m not the line police....i`m not getting paid to correct mistakes...
the book wants to rescind,it`s their perogative....they have the juice...let `em swing that hammer..
period....
you want to make calls to books...send them emails...fine...YOU do it....
i`m not doing their job for them...
mayorga...i have to say it...imo,you`re nothing more than joey`s sock puppet....
you show me where it says in a books regulations that the player must notify the book if a line looks off....
how far off?...please give me definitive parameters....
if there`s no parameters,what`s the exact rule of thumb?...
is it a judgement call?....
i thought the montiel/ivan hernandez line was a mistake...i was wrong...
i don`t have the time to f-ck around with this crap...
cause you say it doesn`t make it so...
if the line`s posted...i`m playing it....i`m not a mind reader...it`s not the bettor`s responsibility....
i`m not the line police....i`m not getting paid to correct mistakes...
the book wants to rescind,it`s their perogative....they have the juice...let `em swing that hammer..
period....
you want to make calls to books...send them emails...fine...YOU do it....
i`m not doing their job for them...
MayorgaFan said:
Like you said via e-mail, we'll never agree on this one
I understand the whole "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" concept, but its not like we are going into the books establishment and picking fights, throwing beer nuts, and grabbin chicks asses. We are simply using the service they are providing, some better than others, but in the long run they make a shitload of money and would continue to make a shitload even if they didn't limit the sharps. There is a limit for all betters on every event these books offer, if the limit is set right, and the money coming in is monitored closely, they shouldn't take many big hits anyway.
They are bookies for christs sakes, they're making huge bank, its not like their kids are starving and they're stuggling to pay the bills. Joey himself said the guy from 5dimes has made more money than he can ever spend from booking. Why not be fair about it?
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OK before MayorgaFan goes off on gw...
The bet thats really in question here was Raheem by decision against Freitas
5dimes opened the props first and they had Raheem by decision at +175 and Raheem by ko at +350 or so
Sportsbook then opened their props and had Raheem by decision +350 and Raheem by ko at +150 or so
Joey and MF are saying that the 5dimes odds combined with the fact that I knew Raheem was not a big puncher...was enough for me to know for sure that the lines were inverted. Instead of betting into it, they think the right thing to do is e-mail the book and let them know of the mistake to save them a lot of trouble. In a way I agree with that logic, but only when the line is obviously inverted. This weeks line was not obviously inverted, so I bet it, and I would do it agian. But if another scenario comes up like the Raheem fight, I won't bet into it as I don't want to risk getting kicked out of a very useful book.
Hope this clears things up a little
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The bet thats really in question here was Raheem by decision against Freitas
5dimes opened the props first and they had Raheem by decision at +175 and Raheem by ko at +350 or so
Sportsbook then opened their props and had Raheem by decision +350 and Raheem by ko at +150 or so
Joey and MF are saying that the 5dimes odds combined with the fact that I knew Raheem was not a big puncher...was enough for me to know for sure that the lines were inverted. Instead of betting into it, they think the right thing to do is e-mail the book and let them know of the mistake to save them a lot of trouble. In a way I agree with that logic, but only when the line is obviously inverted. This weeks line was not obviously inverted, so I bet it, and I would do it agian. But if another scenario comes up like the Raheem fight, I won't bet into it as I don't want to risk getting kicked out of a very useful book.
Hope this clears things up a little
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go off?....i don`t give a shit who goes off...
you intimidated by mayorga,b.l.?
i`ll go off on YOUR ass,b.l....you sure dropped your drawers in a hurry...
it`s my opinion...
mayorga came in here and made bold proclamations like he was the holy grail...
it`s his opinion...there`s no factual underpinning.....
if there is,post the rule...
jaysus....
you intimidated by mayorga,b.l.?
i`ll go off on YOUR ass,b.l....you sure dropped your drawers in a hurry...
it`s my opinion...
mayorga came in here and made bold proclamations like he was the holy grail...
it`s his opinion...there`s no factual underpinning.....
if there is,post the rule...
jaysus....
You can basically **** off, I gave my opinion that's what I did. Just because my opinion isn't the same as yours, oh well. A lot of things in this thread that were said are flat out wrong, no matter how you try to rationalize them. I wasn't ragging on BL, that wasn't my intention at all.
fine.....i`ll remind myself next time not to take a guy`s back that isn`t interested in sticking to his guns....
mayorga...you didn`t give an opinion...you made a declaration...
but that`s cool...the sock puppet comment was probably over the line....
`d rather spend my time sniffing glue tonight than going back and forth on this shit.....they`d have about the same effect on my cerebral architecture.....
enjoy the fights....
mayorga...you didn`t give an opinion...you made a declaration...
but that`s cool...the sock puppet comment was probably over the line....
`d rather spend my time sniffing glue tonight than going back and forth on this shit.....they`d have about the same effect on my cerebral architecture.....
enjoy the fights....
gardenweasel said:
Easy my friend...
The going off reference was a joke for everyone but you and MF, after reading the first line of your post I could almost feel the response coming from MF. Most poeple don't take kindly to being called someone's "sock puppet"...lol
Here's the deal...
I was accused of betting into the bad Raheem line, and in retrospect I knew the line probably inverted and shouldn't have bet into it. I already admitted I shouldn't have done it and said I would not do it on purpose again. Whether it be unethical or just taking a risk of getting thrown out, I think its a good idea not to do it intentionaly.
The reason I was so defensive and fired up earlier in this thread is b/c Joey was taking another shot at me for betting into a reversed line even though in this case it was clearly not an obvious inverted line. In the process of clearing this up, Joey and I took the arguement and ran with it in several different directions. I was more fired up about him questioning my integrity than anything, saying that he often wonders if the lines I post ever existed and bullshit like that.
Now that I've had a chance to explain and redeem myself, I really don't care anymore. You may have noticed that I also argued one of MF's points. If you think I'm afraid of getting into it with MF, you must have missed the whole first year of our relationship in which we did nothing but argue...constantly.
To be honest, MF and I get along very well now and I respect his knowledge of the sport. We e-mail on a weekly basis and I enjoy the give and take. So I'm sorry if I show a little respect to a guy that I've grown to like over the years. But if he says something I disagree with, I will definitly let him know about, no reason to be intimidated.
gl my man
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gardenweasel said:
That was a low-blow
The orininal arguement in this thread was over the Julio-Quintana Under 9.5 +160...the line was inverted and Joey took another shot at me about intentionaly betting into a reversed line.
From the beginning of this arguement, I have stuck to my guns and said that there was no way for me to know this line was reversed therefore I obviously didn't bet into a bad line on purpose. My stance on that hasn't changed and won't change.
Sorry if you think I bailed on you, all I did was admit that I knew the Raheem line was probably reversed when I bet it, and that making a habit of intentionaly betting a reversed line can get you thrown out of a very valuable book...whether its fair or not.
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o.k..i apologize for getting in the middle of your tiff....no sense letting this thing fester...
won`t happen again.....not my fight....not my bidness...
on a positive note...good result on the guerrero/alcine par and the guerrero under.....
alcine almost got caught cold in round one....and guerrero looked to be fading....very thankful for that solar plexus shot....
diaz is a very difficult guy to fight... like a fooking octopus...
g.l. the rest of the weekend...
won`t happen again.....not my fight....not my bidness...
on a positive note...good result on the guerrero/alcine par and the guerrero under.....
alcine almost got caught cold in round one....and guerrero looked to be fading....very thankful for that solar plexus shot....
diaz is a very difficult guy to fight... like a fooking octopus...
g.l. the rest of the weekend...
Congrats on the winners...nicely done
I grabbed a very small piece of the Guerrero Under at +206, I kinda liked it at +150 so when it got over 2-1 I had to play it small on value. Was looking at Guerrero inside distance which got as high as +316, but I never pulled the trigger.
Trejo pulled a Castillo and weighed 4 lbs over, the fight is still on, I'll be so pissed if he stops Cruz due to the extra weight
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I grabbed a very small piece of the Guerrero Under at +206, I kinda liked it at +150 so when it got over 2-1 I had to play it small on value. Was looking at Guerrero inside distance which got as high as +316, but I never pulled the trigger.
Trejo pulled a Castillo and weighed 4 lbs over, the fight is still on, I'll be so pissed if he stops Cruz due to the extra weight
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question for the better boxing cappers here than I, I'm a little confused. joey says you'll lose long term if you don't grab the opening number, and it applies to all sports. I thought you had to have more winners than losers long term combined with smart money management with boxing because the lines go over -130 which doesn't usually happen with point spreads to win long term with boxing. I usually get close to the opening numbers, but sometimes due to work it's a little time before I do, and I'll grab something that's moved say 25-40 off of what boxlocks posts, which I assume is close to the opening. does that mean I'm too late? a winner's a winner, and if the line gets steamed much higher I hesitate because what's to me is a good bet at -150 obviously doesn't look so good at -220, and if I bet it I'd bet to win a lesser amount. how much movement means I'm too 'late' and does that really matter? sometimes the public will move something so much I'm tempted to bet opposite, just because doing so in other sports seems to be such a lucrative proposition.
I pick up so many useful ideas around here, hopefully in a few years I can be as good as you guys.
and as an aside, I think it's unethical for books to ban people because they win, if they operate their businesses right then they shouldn't care who wins or loses, because they win with the juice however the ball bounces, and if they are taking sides and you happen to be on their side then tough shit.
I pick up so many useful ideas around here, hopefully in a few years I can be as good as you guys.
and as an aside, I think it's unethical for books to ban people because they win, if they operate their businesses right then they shouldn't care who wins or loses, because they win with the juice however the ball bounces, and if they are taking sides and you happen to be on their side then tough shit.
amhlilhaus said:
haus
Obviously its better to get the opening # when the line is about to move against you, but there are also times when playing the closing # is better. If you took Quintana as soon as I posted it, you got +225/+260. If you waited 12 hours you could've got +310, so it works both ways. But yes I'm usualy on the best # b/c I can tell which way most lines willl more and sometimes will wait to make a play if I know I can get better later.
Gotta go, so I'll make this quik...
Just pick winners, find the best line available, and use money management. If you consistently pick winners and play at constistent amounts, it doesn't matter if you get the opener or not. If you go 10-2 this week, does it really matter if a few of lines jumped 20 or 30 cents before cashing in?
Obviously if a line moves 50 cents or more it changes the play completely and should be reconsidered
Hope this helps
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Haus; in the casinos here in Vegas, and I suppose every other locale, when a guy is doing a number on the joint, be it blackjack, baccarat, or any table game, you WILL be approached and told " your play is a little too strong for us; try some slot machines". You will stop playing or be escorted out the door. And box and GW; thanks for NOT getting back to me on the Guerrero-Diaz fight. Engaging in a pissing match with some nefarious apparition(oddessa) was obviously of paramount importance. And I will add my 1 1/2 cents to the BS parade. A line, for instance; Baldomir+400 was NOT a mistake but an attempt by the odds/book
makers to charge the "perceived" favorite surcharge,as the line is never a true handicap, but the oddsmakers take on what he feels the public is thinking. An actual mistake should be quite obvious and I personally would not bet into it as it may not turn out the way you thought it would. We are at the mercy of the offshore books we play with, for the most part. Too freakin bad, huh?
makers to charge the "perceived" favorite surcharge,as the line is never a true handicap, but the oddsmakers take on what he feels the public is thinking. An actual mistake should be quite obvious and I personally would not bet into it as it may not turn out the way you thought it would. We are at the mercy of the offshore books we play with, for the most part. Too freakin bad, huh?
thanks for the reply, even casinos tell you to lay off? I'm shocked to hear that with all the tv shows on 'whales' and stuff.
""And box and GW; thanks for NOT getting back to me on the Guerrero-Diaz fight. Engaging in a pissing match with some nefarious apparition(oddessa) was obviously of paramount importance. ""....
:142smilie ........amen to that,bud...well said...apolgies to any and everyone.....it got away from me...thought i`d outgrown the temper...i sucked...
i did post a blurb about guerrero in panel#25....but,i agree,it would have been a bear to sift through all the windbaggery in this thread....much of it mine...i acted like a crazed cage monkey....
and i was stone-cold sober...that won`t be the case tonight,though....so i`ll stay away from the keyboard this evening...
by tomorrow morning, my liver will be hard enough to crush diamonds...
i am looking at the "tuf"(ultimate fighting) finals tonight....looks like several live dogs on the card...
again,sorry....
:142smilie ........amen to that,bud...well said...apolgies to any and everyone.....it got away from me...thought i`d outgrown the temper...i sucked...
i did post a blurb about guerrero in panel#25....but,i agree,it would have been a bear to sift through all the windbaggery in this thread....much of it mine...i acted like a crazed cage monkey....
and i was stone-cold sober...that won`t be the case tonight,though....so i`ll stay away from the keyboard this evening...
by tomorrow morning, my liver will be hard enough to crush diamonds...
i am looking at the "tuf"(ultimate fighting) finals tonight....looks like several live dogs on the card...
again,sorry....
Speaking just for myself, I only use one sportsbook online. I took that Julio under at +160 when it opened. I also took the Raheem decision prop. Bearing that I only have one book, I can't really compare lines. I don't think it makes me a bad guy for betting on these lines. I just take whatever lines I like when they 1st drop........
GW-cerebral architecture! Amazing concept. I understand about getting caught up in the hype. We normally don't have that kind of action around here for the most part. Peace brother.
