cnn sinks to a new level of depravity
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smurf...buddy...the last panel i posted...i cited the constitution...i explained it in full detail.....
is this some kind of debate tactic?....a.d.d.?...
brother...i love ya`...but,i know you can read the first 7 paragraphs of that panel and get what i`m sayin`....
bryanz...what are you doing praying?...don`t you know that`s verboten by your handlers?....
btw....i`m not the only one that was offended and pissed by cnn`s presentation of terrorist propaganda..... they were deluged by e-mail....thankfully....
Why we aired the sniper video...
""Last night, we ran a controversial piece produced by our Baghdad correspondent Michael Ware. The backstory is that through "intermediaries "Michael had been communicating with Ibrahim Al-Shimary, a shadowy leader and spokesman for the Islamic Army. Michael had sent him a series of questions concerning the insurgency in Iraq and its motives. He was surprised when he received two videotapes in response. We aired portions of both last night.
One had Al-Shimary himself on camera -- his face electronically concealed -- responding to Michael's questions. The second tape surprised us even more. It documented 10 incidents of insurgent snipers attacking U.S. military personnel. To be clear, insurgents shot the tape themselves. This group has released similar tapes in the past. Indeed, you can find them on the Internet. But this tape uniquely included audio from the sniper team as they selected targets, waited for their opportunities and then praised Allah as they made their escapes.
We are assuming they included the sniper tape to prove the authenticity of the Al-Shimary interview tape and to establish their credibility. Of course, we also understood that some might conclude there is a public relations benefit for the insurgents if we aired the material, especially on CNN International. We also understood that this kind of footage is upsetting and disturbing for many viewers. But after getting beyond the emotional debate, we concluded the tape meets our criteria for newsworthiness.
Moreover, with 73 U.S. military casualties so far this month, October is already the third highest month for U.S. deaths in Iraq since the war began. In fact, many of them are victims of sniper attacks.
For those who did not see the piece, you can watch it here now: (Watch CNN's report on the insurgent video)
You should know we dipped to black at the moment of actual impact of the rounds. A number of us felt airing that precise moment was simply too horrific. That decision, as well as the decision to build a piece around the sniper tape -- in fact, all the decisions about this story -- were subject to hours of intense editorial debate at the highest levels here at CNN.
You should also know we tried to put all of this in context. Our reporting included an interview with a current U.S. sniper in Iraq. He's been both under attack from insurgent snipers and he has himself operated as a sniper. We also heard from Major General William Caldwell, a coalition forces spokesman in Iraq, and CNN military analyst General David Grange, formerly with the Green Beret, Delta Force and Army Rangers.
Instantly, the piece received many strongly-worded responses from viewers.(thankfully)
Many viewers thought it inappropriate for us to air video of Americans being shot: "If I had a son or daughter over there serving, I would be outraged by what I feel is your aiding and comforting the enemy."
Some worried about kids who might have watched the program. (We clearly warned viewers the video was not appropriate for children before we aired it.)
Others praised us for showing the threats U.S. military personnel actually face: "Thanks for having the guts to show the sniper update and to show us the other side of the story. Please continue to give us the truth; I know the network is bound to be taking heat.
And still others thought by dipping to black and not showing the moment of impact of the sniper rounds we were sanitizing the horror of war: " ... I think the reason it took Americans so long to come around on this war is because they somehow did not think it was real because they never saw anyone hurt ... you guys need to show "the unvarnished truth."
Whether or not you agree with us in this case, our goal, as always,"""" is to present the unvarnished truth as best we can."""""
yeah...like they did in iraq to keep saddam from closing their bureau?....
like they did with the 9/11 videos and the mohammad cartoons?....
you guys get the drift....
worked up a little list...
what cnn will show:
-abu ghraib photos
-american soldiers' coffins
- 25 war protesters when they claim they will have thousands
-more abu ghraib photos
-videos of jihadists picking off american soldiers
-enemy propaganda
-a running death toll of americans in iraq eagerly awaiting the next thousand mark
-mother sheehan on milk shake only hunger strike(until she got really hungry).....
what cnn will not show:
- 9/11 footage or photos
- the running death toll of jihadists
-any continuous footage of the riots from france or anywhere else in europe
- any tapes from memri
-muhammad cartoons
- jihadist beheading of innocent people (even journalists)
-pro israeli marches
-the successes of our troops in iraq, and on and on.....
i still can`t get past that"varnished truth"
comment....they think people forgot that they self-censored news from iraq when saddam was in power, in order not to incur the wrath of the ba'athists and continue reporting from baghdad?....
seems they were using several coats of varnish on the truth back then.
what cnn will show:
-abu ghraib photos
-american soldiers' coffins
- 25 war protesters when they claim they will have thousands
-more abu ghraib photos
-videos of jihadists picking off american soldiers
-enemy propaganda
-a running death toll of americans in iraq eagerly awaiting the next thousand mark
-mother sheehan on milk shake only hunger strike(until she got really hungry).....
what cnn will not show:
- 9/11 footage or photos
- the running death toll of jihadists
-any continuous footage of the riots from france or anywhere else in europe
- any tapes from memri
-muhammad cartoons
- jihadist beheading of innocent people (even journalists)
-pro israeli marches
-the successes of our troops in iraq, and on and on.....
i still can`t get past that"varnished truth"
comment....they think people forgot that they self-censored news from iraq when saddam was in power, in order not to incur the wrath of the ba'athists and continue reporting from baghdad?....
seems they were using several coats of varnish on the truth back then.
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smurf...this axplains it better than i ever could.....off cnn`s blog/message board:
"I'm an officer in the US Army Infantry, recently returned from a year in Iraq, who lost a soldier to a sniper attack. I don't care about CNN's politics, but I do take issue with your integrity. In what possible way is a self-described propaganda video made by an insurgent group "the unvarnished truth?" The CNN report even states that this group wants to wage a PR camapign aimed at the American public. I'm quite sure that CNN would never run such blatant, screaming propaganda if it had instead originated with the Bush Administration.""
it`s that simple...
"I'm an officer in the US Army Infantry, recently returned from a year in Iraq, who lost a soldier to a sniper attack. I don't care about CNN's politics, but I do take issue with your integrity. In what possible way is a self-described propaganda video made by an insurgent group "the unvarnished truth?" The CNN report even states that this group wants to wage a PR camapign aimed at the American public. I'm quite sure that CNN would never run such blatant, screaming propaganda if it had instead originated with the Bush Administration.""
it`s that simple...
its a story about insurrgents and the tactics they use,and they happen to have some very high skilled snipers,and theyve got video to go with it.
everybody already knows what the u.s. has and can do.we dont need a story about that.
people do want to know how insurgents from 3rd world countries can contiue to do battle against the most powerful armed forces on this earth.
treason?you got to be kidding me.
why should they show the muhammad cartoons?the cartoon is offensive to many,they have a right not to offend some of their viewers.
whould you be offended by a cartoon? what if it was a cartoon of jesus with a woody sitting next to young boys.should they show that also if others are showing it?
theres a reason cnn is a top news channel in the world and the other are not.its world news from all sides,unlike those other 2nd class networks,that are nice for ra ra propaganda for people with no fkn clue ,like yourself.
everybody already knows what the u.s. has and can do.we dont need a story about that.
people do want to know how insurgents from 3rd world countries can contiue to do battle against the most powerful armed forces on this earth.
treason?you got to be kidding me.
why should they show the muhammad cartoons?the cartoon is offensive to many,they have a right not to offend some of their viewers.
whould you be offended by a cartoon? what if it was a cartoon of jesus with a woody sitting next to young boys.should they show that also if others are showing it?
theres a reason cnn is a top news channel in the world and the other are not.its world news from all sides,unlike those other 2nd class networks,that are nice for ra ra propaganda for people with no fkn clue ,like yourself.
Uh yeah. Are you on drugs? CNN shows all of these things. LOL at no 9-11 footage - that is simply ridiculous.
I STILL don't get your outrage over this sniper peice. It's shown AS NEWS, not propaganda. News is news - I'd rather it be shown than hidden.
How is it that you are outraged by this, but want to see more footage of the enemy killing civilians. I don't get that. It's OK - in fact encouraged by you - to show more beheadings, but you feel it's treason to show footage of snipers shooting at Americans. In all of your ramblings, you don't explain what the difference is.
It seems as if you just simply hate CNN, because none of your complaints make sense. And to allege that CNN doesn't show 9-11 footage is beyond dumb. As for Muhammed cartoons or Euro protests ....well, how much more of that has Fox shown? I'll answer for you - ZERO.
I can't get over your bashing of CNN for the Muhammed thing, while completely ignoring the fact that Fox and every other network and all newspapers but 4 small ones across the country also didnt show it.
Face it, you just hate CNN and are going out of your way to find illogical reasons to bash them. That's fine, have fun with your little crusade. I guess you got tired of going after the NYT.
--and may I add on Viet Nam tet of 68--that the media/protestors wailed as U.S. 2 month toll was about4,000 the highest of entire war--but never mentioned NVA body count was 58,000. U.S. deaths continued to decrease every year after that and Nva neer again appeared anywhere in battalion strength--it was the turning point of war--only to media/protestors snatch it from jaws of victory.
--above is not a justification of VN war--but only to hig light our troops are unbeatable--the only chance the enemy has-- is hoping those not fighting the war come to their rescue.
--above is not a justification of VN war--but only to hig light our troops are unbeatable--the only chance the enemy has-- is hoping those not fighting the war come to their rescue.
i see your neglecting to mention that fox isn`t showing the graphic,up close and personal execution of american soldiers...in a video provided by terrorists...with the expressed intent (which cnn admitted)of filming the murders for propaganda purposes...
9/11?...they never showed the people jumping off of buildings...did they?...what`s the difference?...
they show" propaganda video" of an american soldier being shot in the head...
but they don`t show americans jumping off the towers?.....
don`t show head chopping(i`m not talking the expicit part..just the parts...like where journalist daniel pearl pissed himself from fear)...
why?...same result....death...
it`s the agenda,stupid....
one weakens american resolve...the other hardens it...
smurph?...buddy?...
can you read?....i`m serious...from cnn...
"From a distance, possibly hundreds of yards away, a sniper watches for his opportunity to strike as a fellow insurgent operates a camera to capture the video """for propaganda purposes""".
do you know what that means?...propaganda?.....
propaganda:..."information or ideas methodically spread to promote or injure a cause,group,nation".......
that nation would be the u.s.a....your country..i think...
if you can`t get that,then we have nothing more to discuss on this.....
what kind of mentality thinks it`s o.k. to see a human being shot in the head....but thinks a cartoon is offensive?
amazing...
so an anti-american jihad propaganda snuff video( that can be readily seen on the internet by anyone with a blood fetish), is news, but hundreds of thousands rioting and scores murdered over cartoons, and cnn can't even show the cartoons?
o.k....that`s logical...
...btw,,in case you just came to america,we already have exhibits at art galleries depicting the crucifiction in a jar of piss.....
the virgin mary made out of cow dung....
in public galleries....why?..
simple..we aren`t a totalitarian theocracy.....and guess what?....we don`t kill burn and maim over cartoons or art in the west...
no matter how repugnant...
moe:""everybody already knows what the u.s. has and can do.we dont need a story about that.
people do want to know how insurgents from 3rd world countries can contiue to do battle against the most powerful armed forces on this earth.""
you draw the line at a cartoon...yet,explicit islamic death porn showing american soldiers being murdered?....an admitted propaganda video at that......that`s cool...just news...
how about the decapitation of innocent journalists?......should we show that?...that`s news,ain`t it?
moe:"theres a reason cnn is a top news channel in the world and the other are not.its world news from all sides,unlike those other 2nd class networks,that are nice for ra ra propaganda for people with no fkn clue ,like yourself."
you`re laughable.....but i understand where you`re coming from...your allegiances...
i`m sure you`re happy that our enemies have grown quite adept at utilizing possibly one of our greatest communications technologies against us as an effective weapon and we're too stupid to figure out what to do about it.......and so the cancer spreads to the point that internal politics will stop the military that no man can.......
i wonder if any of the ivy league metrosexual frat boys at cnn have read sun tzu?...... 60 years ago this reporting would have been unthinkable and probably prosecutable...
these videos of the muder of american soldiers are,of course, just to illustrate the 'true nature' of the war and it's brutality.....right?
then,i`m sure you`d like to see the nick berg beheading tape? ...just an innocent journalist brutally murdered for no good reason....
perhaps the slaughter of 300 school chidren by islamic extremists in beslan...innocents murdered for no good reason..
the videos and photos of the murdered italian journalists...murdered for no good reason..
the murdered indonesian schoolgirls...murdered for no good reason
the murdered ******** priests and somali nuns?....for no good reason...
that`s news...right?...
however since you only need to see our soldiers die, i assume that those other events don't count as news.....
moe,i know you`re waiting for the caliphate to be established in the u.s.a....and you may well get your wish...
but,it`s happening much faster in europe...you might want to look into it...
let me finish with this....imo,what cnn did is treason and if this happened during wwII, cnn would be shut down, no questions asked......
it's amazing how far we've come in this country where a news organization can openly and willingly publish or broadcast enemy propaganda,covert national security operations etc. and get away with it.
it sickens me.
in their quest for "balance" they have discarded right and wrong........they blindly(?) give credence and a forum to those who openly call for our deaths.....their deaths...
this is just another example of how they have crossed a line and can never be trusted..........as their selling out to saddam to keep their baghdad bureau open clearly showed....
sleeping with the enemy....may all your globalist, leftist, inflammatory, subversive rhetoric and reporting come back to haunt you from now until...you are no longer relevant....
hopefully,the clock is ticking...
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"Thank God brave Americans took to the streets and stopped that travesty in Vietnam "
Brave?? Pray tell how do you can call being afraid of getting drafted and having to trade their fanny packs in for field packs --as brave. How brave do you have to be to carry a picket sign--if so I would have to assume Clintion would be an "international" Audie Murphy--and you might have to rethinkyour stance on Cheney--hmm that would also probably make those heading to Canada your super hero's.
Brave?? Pray tell how do you can call being afraid of getting drafted and having to trade their fanny packs in for field packs --as brave. How brave do you have to be to carry a picket sign--if so I would have to assume Clintion would be an "international" Audie Murphy--and you might have to rethinkyour stance on Cheney--hmm that would also probably make those heading to Canada your super hero's.
Brave?? Pray tell how do you can call being afraid of getting drafted and having to trade their fanny packs in for field packs --as brave.
I must assume that you would then consider Dick Cheney to be a coward since he did not serve when given the opportunity to defend his country and be a true patriot? I would say three deferrments is not a sign of a man that is brave or loves his country, as at that point in time in his life I believe Cheney had allready been given three Driving While Intoxicated citations, so surely his time would of been better spent serving his country in battle. Of course, this very well could be the typical GOP double standard whereas Cheney had a reason not to serve but all those damn hippies should of served. This is going to be the downfall of the GOP, and if you go back and look at the history of the GOP the forefathers of this party would be turning over in their graves as to how off course this party has become.
I must assume that you would then consider Dick Cheney to be a coward since he did not serve when given the opportunity to defend his country and be a true patriot? I would say three deferrments is not a sign of a man that is brave or loves his country, as at that point in time in his life I believe Cheney had allready been given three Driving While Intoxicated citations, so surely his time would of been better spent serving his country in battle. Of course, this very well could be the typical GOP double standard whereas Cheney had a reason not to serve but all those damn hippies should of served. This is going to be the downfall of the GOP, and if you go back and look at the history of the GOP the forefathers of this party would be turning over in their graves as to how off course this party has become.
the stuff your talking ,,crucifixtion in piss,cow dung etc...IS IN ART GALLERIES like you said,not in major newspapers.let it stay in the art galleries. you dont print that shit and offend people . let me show you some art in galleries and see if you WOULD SHOW IT TO YOUR KIDS? isnt their art out there that none of these news stations would show b/c its offensive.
you can draw any fkn think you want while your high as a kite and call it art,but when you publish it in a news paper ,and not an art mag and offend people you should be fired.
AND YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF PERSSON WILL WATCH HUMANBEINGS SHOT IN THE HEAD BUT CALLS A CARTOON OFFENSIVE? their soilders with guns in another land ,it does bother me as a humanbeing but it bothers me alot more when innocent people die..btw what do you think would happen if time magazine had a cover of jesus with a hard on layed out with abunch of little boys.
you can draw any fkn think you want while your high as a kite and call it art,but when you publish it in a news paper ,and not an art mag and offend people you should be fired.
AND YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF PERSSON WILL WATCH HUMANBEINGS SHOT IN THE HEAD BUT CALLS A CARTOON OFFENSIVE? their soilders with guns in another land ,it does bother me as a humanbeing but it bothers me alot more when innocent people die..btw what do you think would happen if time magazine had a cover of jesus with a hard on layed out with abunch of little boys.
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"the stuff your talking ,,crucifixtion in piss,cow dung etc...IS IN ART GALLERIES like you said,not in major newspapers.let it stay in the art galleries. you dont print that shit and offend people . let me show you some art in galleries and see if you WOULD SHOW IT TO YOUR KIDS? isnt their art out there that none of these news stations would show b/c its offensive."
moe...i guess you haven`t been around here long enough to know that you`re pissing up the wrong rope......
this is what cnn said..."CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam.".....
then,look what they went and did...
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/STYLE/arts/03/27/museum.flap/index.html
how`s about that double standard?...impressive,huh...
i think that maybe they should have reworded their public statement to read:
..."CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of FEAR OF Islam.".....
or how `bout this one:
CNN: "death threats talk; freedom walks".
""We are not afraid to show pictures mocking christians and jews, or their holy icons, because we know deep down that no matter how bad we offend them and persecute them they will not retaliate in physical violence, or arson, or riots.....because of the nature of their faith, jews and christians will show self-restraint even in their protests". ...
that`s a little more on point,eh?
craven hypocrites...and cowards...
all this cartoon b.s. aside...what really saddens me most is that we`ve reached a point in this country....a point in which a major news network shows snuff films of its own soldiers being killed...
and nary a peep..except for the rationalization and applause from the left...
.the right?....i`m talking about the hannity`s and the o`reilly`s....i actually watched them tonight to see their reaction....
not a word...not a f-ckin` peep...
can`t remember when i`ve been as disgusted with anything in this forum...with the media....
moe,you may be a cretin....i don`t know you personally...but i`ll give you credit for standing up for your own peeps...
as you see in this forum,theres very little of that left in this country....
moe...i guess you haven`t been around here long enough to know that you`re pissing up the wrong rope......
this is what cnn said..."CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam.".....
then,look what they went and did...
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/STYLE/arts/03/27/museum.flap/index.html
how`s about that double standard?...impressive,huh...
i think that maybe they should have reworded their public statement to read:
..."CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of FEAR OF Islam.".....
or how `bout this one:
CNN: "death threats talk; freedom walks".
""We are not afraid to show pictures mocking christians and jews, or their holy icons, because we know deep down that no matter how bad we offend them and persecute them they will not retaliate in physical violence, or arson, or riots.....because of the nature of their faith, jews and christians will show self-restraint even in their protests". ...
that`s a little more on point,eh?
craven hypocrites...and cowards...
all this cartoon b.s. aside...what really saddens me most is that we`ve reached a point in this country....a point in which a major news network shows snuff films of its own soldiers being killed...
and nary a peep..except for the rationalization and applause from the left...
.the right?....i`m talking about the hannity`s and the o`reilly`s....i actually watched them tonight to see their reaction....
not a word...not a f-ckin` peep...
can`t remember when i`ve been as disgusted with anything in this forum...with the media....
moe,you may be a cretin....i don`t know you personally...but i`ll give you credit for standing up for your own peeps...
as you see in this forum,theres very little of that left in this country....
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Just a little sore spot on bravery issue of protestors MC from personal experience
Experienced a little of their bravery when flying into Oakland from VN.
Seems they had their little area seperated by chain link fence they hid behind with their little pickets and shouted obsenities and spit through the fence (one had cup of something red inside to resemble blood I assume he tried to throw on us also.
Funny thing--after we got processed and had access to other side of fence--they had magical disappeared--had their retreat down to a science--this "Brave" bunch did.
Experienced a little of their bravery when flying into Oakland from VN.
Seems they had their little area seperated by chain link fence they hid behind with their little pickets and shouted obsenities and spit through the fence (one had cup of something red inside to resemble blood I assume he tried to throw on us also.
Funny thing--after we got processed and had access to other side of fence--they had magical disappeared--had their retreat down to a science--this "Brave" bunch did.
Bush and Cheney supported the the effort in Vietnam as long as someone else was fighting it. There comes a time when something is proven to be so wrong that you have to decide between the President or the country. When you go off to war to support coorporate greed then you are not doing what is best for the country. You may be supporting your President but if your President is not supporting your country then you are on the wrong side of the fence.
It used to be Aljazeera was the only colaborating with the enemy--Appears from below even the insurgents now realize their allies.Wonder if we see UBL come out on campaign trail again--or if he'll wait for 08--Allah willing. 
House Defense chair asks Pentagon to remove embedded CNN reporters
SAN DIEGO The chair of the House Armed Services Committee asked the Pentagon today to remove C-N-N reporters embedded with U-S combat units.
The network televised portions of a video on Wednesday showing insurgent snipers targeting U-S military personnel.
Executives said the tape came to the network unexpectedly through contact with an insurgent leader.
Representative Duncan Hunter wrote in his letter that, quote, "C-N-N has now served as the publicist for an enemy propaganda film featuring the killing of an American soldier."
San Diego-area Republicans Darrell Issa and Brian Bilbray also signed the letter.
C-N-N executives defended their decision to air the footage, saying its news value outweighed other concerns.
House Defense chair asks Pentagon to remove embedded CNN reporters
SAN DIEGO The chair of the House Armed Services Committee asked the Pentagon today to remove C-N-N reporters embedded with U-S combat units.
The network televised portions of a video on Wednesday showing insurgent snipers targeting U-S military personnel.
Executives said the tape came to the network unexpectedly through contact with an insurgent leader.
Representative Duncan Hunter wrote in his letter that, quote, "C-N-N has now served as the publicist for an enemy propaganda film featuring the killing of an American soldier."
San Diego-area Republicans Darrell Issa and Brian Bilbray also signed the letter.
C-N-N executives defended their decision to air the footage, saying its news value outweighed other concerns.
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The picture that came out of Nam where the officer shot the peasant in the head in middle of street for world to see. Helped turn Nam into a down word spiral.
I don't here anyone pitching about new scare tactic ad from Rebs. With Ben in it and the clock ticking. Of course the Dem's could turn that around and remind everyone that's the same Ben no body has captured last 5 years. And don't see to be trying to hard anymore.
I don't here anyone pitching about new scare tactic ad from Rebs. With Ben in it and the clock ticking. Of course the Dem's could turn that around and remind everyone that's the same Ben no body has captured last 5 years. And don't see to be trying to hard anymore.
do yo remeber what cristians in america did to beatles albums in the 60,s,for a very modest comment by the great john lennen.im sure their are plenty of other examlples.thats just off the top of my head.
actually thats why lennen was killed(so much for your self restriant)..god forbid some muslim did that,all would have to pay the price,likr their paying now.
im born and raised in the usa,but have spent time in a few places in this world.
for every example you post ,i can post another.right now islam is in the spotlight,and can be picked upart ,but so can any religion and its followers..
"imagine their is no borders,and we can all live as one"
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