cnn sinks to a new level of depravity
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October 21st, 2006 7:55 pm
Calif. Republican asks Pentagon to remove embedded CNN reporters
By Thomas Watkins / Associated Press
SAN DIEGO - The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee asked the Pentagon on Friday to remove CNN reporters embedded with U.S. combat troops, saying the network's broadcast of a video showing insurgent snipers targeting U.S. soldiers was tantamount to airing an enemy propaganda film.
The tape, which came to the network through contact with an insurgent leader, was aired Wednesday night on "Anderson Cooper 360" and repeated Thursday.
In a letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., wrote: "CNN has now served as the publicist for an enemy propaganda film featuring the killing of an American soldier."
The letter was also signed by San Diego-area Republican congressmen Darrell Issa and Brian Bilbray.
"This is nothing short of a terrorist snuff film," Bilbray said at a press conference held in San Diego.
CNN producer David Doss wrote in a Web log Thursday the network televised the footage in an effort to present the "unvarnished truth" about the Iraq war.
In one instance, the tape shows a uniformed member of the U.S. military milling in a public area with Iraqis. A shot rings out. CNN fades the screen to black before the result - described as a victim falling forward - is visible.
Hunter said he hasn't received a response from Rumsfeld.
A Pentagon spokesman said Friday he didn't know whether Rumsfeld had seen the letter.
"The department takes this very seriously and will look into the matter and respond accordingly to the member in due course," said Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler.
CNN officials defended their decision to air the footage.
"Our responsibility is to report the news," said Laurie Goldberg, a CNN spokeswoman. "As an organization we stand by our decision and respect the rights of others to disagree with it."
Calif. Republican asks Pentagon to remove embedded CNN reporters
By Thomas Watkins / Associated Press
SAN DIEGO - The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee asked the Pentagon on Friday to remove CNN reporters embedded with U.S. combat troops, saying the network's broadcast of a video showing insurgent snipers targeting U.S. soldiers was tantamount to airing an enemy propaganda film.
The tape, which came to the network through contact with an insurgent leader, was aired Wednesday night on "Anderson Cooper 360" and repeated Thursday.
In a letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., wrote: "CNN has now served as the publicist for an enemy propaganda film featuring the killing of an American soldier."
The letter was also signed by San Diego-area Republican congressmen Darrell Issa and Brian Bilbray.
"This is nothing short of a terrorist snuff film," Bilbray said at a press conference held in San Diego.
CNN producer David Doss wrote in a Web log Thursday the network televised the footage in an effort to present the "unvarnished truth" about the Iraq war.
In one instance, the tape shows a uniformed member of the U.S. military milling in a public area with Iraqis. A shot rings out. CNN fades the screen to black before the result - described as a victim falling forward - is visible.
Hunter said he hasn't received a response from Rumsfeld.
A Pentagon spokesman said Friday he didn't know whether Rumsfeld had seen the letter.
"The department takes this very seriously and will look into the matter and respond accordingly to the member in due course," said Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler.
CNN officials defended their decision to air the footage.
"Our responsibility is to report the news," said Laurie Goldberg, a CNN spokeswoman. "As an organization we stand by our decision and respect the rights of others to disagree with it."
You have to be handled or you are handling the WEASEL. You two can't come up with this stuff on your own. I get it, It's a group effort. Now I understand. Weasel, I love you man . I understand !
mr quisling defender:......i feel fine about it....i think it may well have been a good decision...
of course,they didn`t show snuff films of our soldiers being picked off like quail... or virgin mary elephant dung pictures either...
so,i guess that makes them "fair and balanced".......
btw...bryanz...i love you to..that`s how i roll...
:yup
i don`t hold you responsible for being brainwashed...by liberal academia..the msm...hollywood.......
they prey on the weak-willed and less-gifted...
a few good whacks with a birch cluebat and you`ll be as good as new...
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Where to start, what to say that hasn't already...
...on the same FRONT PAGE, today we have 'Blazing rail cars hanging from a bridge", and "Crowd watches as parashutist plunges"...
...I cannot believe we would stoop to such lows. :shrug:
It's the news...it's violence and death...
...but anyway...exactly what kosar says...
...showing pictures and videos to rock music of fighter planes bombing to absolute crapper out of everything in site is, well, what...propaganda for us westerners right?
...I'm sure we've all seen such "funny" clips such as "don't bring a gun to a tank fight"...the night vision clip of the Black Hawk mowing down a truck and 3-4 people running from it...
...yet we see American's getting killed it's propaganda??
How many times can we tell you gw, it's ****ing reality!!! IT'S THE TRUTH!!!!!
US (Western) soldiers are getting killed by the dozen, yet you clearly don't want to know about it. Fine. Guess what?...We're really doing a great job and winning
:shrug: god forbid some muslim did that,all would have to pay the price,likr their paying now.
It's a great point Moe...but one that won't ever get through to some people.
I'm sure I've been aguing for years here (seems like it!
) that a white man perpetrates a crime (waco, una-bomber, Oaky City just off the top of my head)...and he's an isolated weirdo......yet a Muslim does something similar (quite often in 'wars' that have been going on for 100 years and have NOTHING to do with the current climate of 'terror'), and it's the end of the world. Kill them all.
what really saddens me most is that we`ve reached a point in this country....a point in which a major news network shows snuff films of its own soldiers being killed...
Again, seeing "the enemy" (real or civilian) being killed is ok?
You've just seen the Yankee pitcher (sorry, name?) hit a building in a plane!
You've seen the Trade Centre get hit how many thousands of times????...
...just on that too, I'm pretty sure one of the major news papers ran the photo of the 'falling man'...
...actually, not sure if a MAJOR paper ran it, but a local paper in hicksville (anytown USA!...sorry, no offense intended!) did run it and got THOUSANDS of abusive calls from the offended masses.
We've seen the film of the Boeing 767 crash into the water off the coast of South Africa there somewhere after being hijaked...
...we've seen the film of JFK being blown to bits...Jack Ruby...
...anyway....
...the West made damn sure 15 years ago that "wars" fought these days will be a media free for all...
...but seeing a US soldier die rather than a nameless arab is all too much to take.
...Isn't the government cencorship (sorry, protecting the public :nono: ) of things that are really happening in the middle east an exact & opposite form of propganda??
ffs, it's the year 2006***...The fact that "propaganda" can sway public opinion in this day and age of freely available information is, let's be honest, a pretty sad indictment on your average Joe isn't it...
...just too lazy/stupid to look at all sides of an 'argument' to decide for themselves, so they just agree mindlessly with their favourite news and/or god's second son, the great pres himself.
*** yep, I've just checked. It IS in fact 2006, and we still have people being "appointed by god"...
Again, seeing "the enemy" (real or civilian) being killed is ok?
You've just seen the Yankee pitcher (sorry, name?) hit a building in a plane!
You've seen the Trade Centre get hit how many thousands of times????...
...just on that too, I'm pretty sure one of the major news papers ran the photo of the 'falling man'...
...actually, not sure if a MAJOR paper ran it, but a local paper in hicksville (anytown USA!...sorry, no offense intended!) did run it and got THOUSANDS of abusive calls from the offended masses.
We've seen the film of the Boeing 767 crash into the water off the coast of South Africa there somewhere after being hijaked...
...we've seen the film of JFK being blown to bits...Jack Ruby...
...anyway....
...the West made damn sure 15 years ago that "wars" fought these days will be a media free for all...
...but seeing a US soldier die rather than a nameless arab is all too much to take.
...Isn't the government cencorship (sorry, protecting the public :nono: ) of things that are really happening in the middle east an exact & opposite form of propganda??
ffs, it's the year 2006***...The fact that "propaganda" can sway public opinion in this day and age of freely available information is, let's be honest, a pretty sad indictment on your average Joe isn't it...
...just too lazy/stupid to look at all sides of an 'argument' to decide for themselves, so they just agree mindlessly with their favourite news and/or god's second son, the great pres himself.
*** yep, I've just checked. It IS in fact 2006, and we still have people being "appointed by god"...
Sorry to be slightly disjointed and rambling here...but one more thing (if I may ...
...How exactly does this negative proaganda thing work anyway??
I'm Joe Public (that's Mr. Public to you) sitting at home, sees this on the news...
Does it; a) Make me MAD that our boys are getting killed and want to run out and smack some Arab arse...
b) Actually beleive for the first time that things maybe aren't going to plan?...and of course for this to be the case (as mentioned earlier) there's been some ****ing impressive home-front propaganda (sick of typing that word!) in the first place!
c) Be a reasonably logical person, turn to the missus and say, well darlin', it is a war after all, people are gunna die...
I honestly don't understand the big hub-bub about this...
...maybe because I live outside of the centre of the universe (ooohhh..another shot at the US!! girlish giggling... ) and see a lot of stuff that (I have a fair suspicion) you guys don't (now there's our word again!!)
...maybe because I'm somehow in the (c) percentage...
...or maybe I've just no idea like smurphy! :mj07:
...but I can only assume you're getting uptight due to (b). :shrug:
Guess it all does come down to an issue of blind faith eventually, after all...
......How exactly does this negative proaganda thing work anyway??
I'm Joe Public (that's Mr. Public to you
) sitting at home, sees this on the news...Does it; a) Make me MAD that our boys are getting killed and want to run out and smack some Arab arse...
b) Actually beleive for the first time that things maybe aren't going to plan?...and of course for this to be the case (as mentioned earlier) there's been some ****ing impressive home-front propaganda (sick of typing that word!) in the first place!
c) Be a reasonably logical person, turn to the missus and say, well darlin', it is a war after all, people are gunna die...
I honestly don't understand the big hub-bub about this...
...maybe because I live outside of the centre of the universe (ooohhh..another shot at the US!! girlish giggling... ) and see a lot of stuff that (I have a fair suspicion) you guys don't (now there's our word again!!
)...maybe because I'm somehow in the (c) percentage...
...or maybe I've just no idea like smurphy! :mj07:
...but I can only assume you're getting uptight due to (b). :shrug:
Guess it all does come down to an issue of blind faith eventually, after all...
oh boy...:com: ...o.k. c...you`re late to the party...but,cause i like you,i`ll try it one more time....
c:"US (Western) soldiers are getting killed by the dozen, yet you clearly don't want to know about it. Fine."
c...we know...believe me......the dead soldiers names are plastered throughout the media on a daily basis...every news show day in and day out....george stapphylococcus....nightline...constantly..they`re blown up by i.e.d.`s...they`re shot by snipers....we know....we know oh to well...there is a huge difference in being up front about that and glorifying their deaths in some jihadi propaganda film which cnn gleefully shows....
they`d show the coffins,except many parents have protested that nifty idea...thankfully....all we get is negative press about iraq.....that`s why opinion polls run so negatively on the war...much like viet nam.... if we were getting rosy reports,the opinion polls would be positive...
lord knows,if the pentagon sent cnn a video of an extraordinary act of bravery ... they would accuse the d.o.d.of using the troops as propaganda.(which is exactly what they did with the pvt. lynch rescue).
makes sense...right?...we know..we know...
now..take off the tinfoil hat... listen...and read....
CNN:"""From a distance, possibly hundreds of yards away, a sniper watches for his opportunity to strike as a fellow insurgent operates a camera to capture the video """for propaganda purposes"""....
cnn`s "probably paying for" and most definitely running enemy "propaganda videos".....
.in a nutshell...the problem is that cnn, having admitted that the footage was pure jihadi propaganda, went ahead and posted it,imo, in a deliberate attempt to sway u.s.opinion against the war, a la the msm's response to tet in 1968 (or was it '69?)...
not to mention the effect on the morale of u.s. military personnel and families of seeing a u.s. news organization broadcasting footage of their fellow soldiers being shot....
if they REALLY want to be "show the unvarnished truth" (yeah right), show the immediate aftermath of a carbombing in a civilian market.....
and explain who perpetrated the act... and why...why they killed their fellow muslims...the vast majority of the deaths that are occurring in iraq are innocent civilians..
who are being slaughtered by the very same jihadis who cut this video...again- they selectively chose not to do video of the 10000`s of civilian murders they have committed for a very specific reason....
happens every day in iraq.... shouldn`t be too hard to acheive....
show the heads and charred limbs..... show the slaughtered children. the screams. the fear. show the blood...
but even MORE importantly...in the interest of being "fair and balanced"...show the nick berg video up till the point that he pissed himself.....
show the folks jumping off the towers...not landing..not splattering into a red mist..just jumping....
nobody else shows that stuff,you say?....well,nobody else shows american soldiers`heads being used as skeet.....other than maybe al jazeera....lol...if you have the grapes to air one,air the others...even if they don`t fit your agenda...
now,remember this...this is cnn...the same cnn that deliberately withheld information on saddam's iraq in order to maintain their access and keep their bureau there open....
they're a completely compromised, demonstrably untrustworthy "news" source....period..
if cnn wants to act as if it exists in an impartial bubble outside of american culture, fine. ....
if they knowingly air enemy propoganda, knowing it's propoganda, they surely can't expect those of us who actually have taken a side in this conflict, much less our troops, to do anything but thoroughly revile them for it....
they can`t expect the military to embed them....protect them...
o.k.?..."clank,clank,clank..cluebat to c`s head"...(i`m kidding,c)...
i was thinking this evening(while i was decimating my man with my boston college +6 and clemson -7 plays)....
"what would have been the response had american theatres run old newsreels of german soldiers "headshotting" american g.i.`s during ww2?"
whattaya think,c?..or if it were done in australia?....say,back in the 4o`s.....your mother/father..grandmother/grandfather.... at the moviehouse watching young aussie troops getting drilled in the head by the germans..
be honest..
or,think about this ...if one of these reporters is threatened by enemy fire, guess what?...the u.s. soldier is sent out to try and rescue him(as has been done already in iraq), at personal risk...on the other hand,if one of these soldiers is threatened by enemy fire, the reporter will take pictures of him getting shot, and sell them.....
the irony is so thick...well,you know the rest...
....
now,that`s as simple as i can make it..i respect you...don`t insult me and act like smurph and play deaf,dumb and blind...
or i`ll realize that the "cluebat" was insufficient and i`ll have to grab a variable speed drill with masonry and/or titanium "clue-bits"...:nono:
btw...what do you think about the browns hanging with denver tomorrow?......
i`m hitting the rack.......take care,bud....
c:"US (Western) soldiers are getting killed by the dozen, yet you clearly don't want to know about it. Fine."
c...we know...believe me......the dead soldiers names are plastered throughout the media on a daily basis...every news show day in and day out....george stapphylococcus....nightline...constantly..they`re blown up by i.e.d.`s...they`re shot by snipers....we know....we know oh to well...there is a huge difference in being up front about that and glorifying their deaths in some jihadi propaganda film which cnn gleefully shows....
they`d show the coffins,except many parents have protested that nifty idea...thankfully....all we get is negative press about iraq.....that`s why opinion polls run so negatively on the war...much like viet nam.... if we were getting rosy reports,the opinion polls would be positive...
lord knows,if the pentagon sent cnn a video of an extraordinary act of bravery ... they would accuse the d.o.d.of using the troops as propaganda.(which is exactly what they did with the pvt. lynch rescue).
makes sense...right?...we know..we know...
now..take off the tinfoil hat... listen...and read....
CNN:"""From a distance, possibly hundreds of yards away, a sniper watches for his opportunity to strike as a fellow insurgent operates a camera to capture the video """for propaganda purposes"""....
cnn`s "probably paying for" and most definitely running enemy "propaganda videos".....
.in a nutshell...the problem is that cnn, having admitted that the footage was pure jihadi propaganda, went ahead and posted it,imo, in a deliberate attempt to sway u.s.opinion against the war, a la the msm's response to tet in 1968 (or was it '69?)...
not to mention the effect on the morale of u.s. military personnel and families of seeing a u.s. news organization broadcasting footage of their fellow soldiers being shot....
if they REALLY want to be "show the unvarnished truth" (yeah right), show the immediate aftermath of a carbombing in a civilian market.....
and explain who perpetrated the act... and why...why they killed their fellow muslims...the vast majority of the deaths that are occurring in iraq are innocent civilians..
who are being slaughtered by the very same jihadis who cut this video...again- they selectively chose not to do video of the 10000`s of civilian murders they have committed for a very specific reason....
happens every day in iraq.... shouldn`t be too hard to acheive....
show the heads and charred limbs..... show the slaughtered children. the screams. the fear. show the blood...
but even MORE importantly...in the interest of being "fair and balanced"...show the nick berg video up till the point that he pissed himself.....
show the folks jumping off the towers...not landing..not splattering into a red mist..just jumping....
nobody else shows that stuff,you say?....well,nobody else shows american soldiers`heads being used as skeet.....other than maybe al jazeera....lol...if you have the grapes to air one,air the others...even if they don`t fit your agenda...
now,remember this...this is cnn...the same cnn that deliberately withheld information on saddam's iraq in order to maintain their access and keep their bureau there open....
they're a completely compromised, demonstrably untrustworthy "news" source....period..
if cnn wants to act as if it exists in an impartial bubble outside of american culture, fine. ....
if they knowingly air enemy propoganda, knowing it's propoganda, they surely can't expect those of us who actually have taken a side in this conflict, much less our troops, to do anything but thoroughly revile them for it....
they can`t expect the military to embed them....protect them...
o.k.?..."clank,clank,clank..cluebat to c`s head"...(i`m kidding,c)...
i was thinking this evening(while i was decimating my man with my boston college +6 and clemson -7 plays)....
"what would have been the response had american theatres run old newsreels of german soldiers "headshotting" american g.i.`s during ww2?"
whattaya think,c?..or if it were done in australia?....say,back in the 4o`s.....your mother/father..grandmother/grandfather.... at the moviehouse watching young aussie troops getting drilled in the head by the germans..
be honest..
or,think about this ...if one of these reporters is threatened by enemy fire, guess what?...the u.s. soldier is sent out to try and rescue him(as has been done already in iraq), at personal risk...on the other hand,if one of these soldiers is threatened by enemy fire, the reporter will take pictures of him getting shot, and sell them.....
the irony is so thick...well,you know the rest...
....
now,that`s as simple as i can make it..i respect you...don`t insult me and act like smurph and play deaf,dumb and blind...
or i`ll realize that the "cluebat" was insufficient and i`ll have to grab a variable speed drill with masonry and/or titanium "clue-bits"...:nono:
btw...what do you think about the browns hanging with denver tomorrow?......
i`m hitting the rack.......take care,bud....
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a friend of mine sent a letter to cnn.....it`s precious....
""Thanks for closing the loop CNN. We have been trying to get those clips on the air for 3+ years now. We had a feeling that if we dropped them on your doorstep a few weeks before the election, you'd air them. Now that you've shown our handiwork that will undoubtedly affect the election, we'll double our efforts and keep the footage coming! Our common enemy, Bush and the republican party will be out of power soon!
- Al Qaeda
""Thanks for closing the loop CNN. We have been trying to get those clips on the air for 3+ years now. We had a feeling that if we dropped them on your doorstep a few weeks before the election, you'd air them. Now that you've shown our handiwork that will undoubtedly affect the election, we'll double our efforts and keep the footage coming! Our common enemy, Bush and the republican party will be out of power soon!
- Al Qaeda
Quite interest that terrorist now have direct collaboration with liberal news outlet to show their propoganda films--and some think its fine.
They can throw up bogus articles (NTY and Times)
that cause riots and soilders deaths--only to retract it after the fact.
We capture one of most brutal dictators of all time-their ex attorney general is his defence council.
They are against electronic survailience and interrogation tactics and want attorneys for terrorist in civilan courts.
Can diss religion here but want prayer mats ect for muslim criminals.
and then have some believing THEY are tough on terror--would appear to sane person they are tough on those fighting terror.
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Maybe we can get a rebuttle from some and give us a few examples of how Liberals and the media have aided "our" side.
They can throw up bogus articles (NTY and Times)
that cause riots and soilders deaths--only to retract it after the fact.
We capture one of most brutal dictators of all time-their ex attorney general is his defence council.
They are against electronic survailience and interrogation tactics and want attorneys for terrorist in civilan courts.
Can diss religion here but want prayer mats ect for muslim criminals.
and then have some believing THEY are tough on terror--would appear to sane person they are tough on those fighting terror.
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Maybe we can get a rebuttle from some and give us a few examples of how Liberals and the media have aided "our" side.
Are you serious? In the run-up to the invasion and for the first six months or so, the media served as cheerleaders for the invasion. They were derelict in their duty as they did not question anything the admin fed us. They did not examine anything and at one point ran practically 24 hr continuous loops of video of that statue of Saddam coming down. The excitement of all those embedded reporters was palpable. They were swept up in the tidal wave of jingoism and of the fear that this admin falsely created.
They fell for it, Wayne, just like you and Weasel continue to fall for it. 2 years after our occupation, 50% of our citizens STILL thought Saddam was at least partly responsible for 9/11.
Fortunately, more and more people of all political persuasions are coming around regarding this farce. We are attempting the impossible. Period.
The tragic thing is that it will have cost us at least 3 thousand American lives and tens of thousands more maimed.
You and Weasel can keep chirping about the media, without questioning the prosecution of the war, let alone the idea to begin with. However, the media is not the reason this mission will fail, at least in terms of leaving a peaceful, us-friendly democracy. Not by a longshot.
Get em' Weaz....
Get em' Weaz....
ifn'n we mess this one up, we can go after a more worthy opponent ...North korea....
we can bomb their masses, huddled around a candle, warming kim-chee on their dung fueled fires, planting rice with their yak powered plows....
face it, we bit off more than are depleted forces can handle....and they want to tackle Iran???
Glad my Viet nam seasoned ass is well beyond draft age....
It would be interesting in about 300 years after the American experiment is over, how the world history books remember us...."Brilliant beginning,
a shining star, in the end, an overextended ,duped , Roman Empire wannabe"
glta
Get em' Weaz....
ifn'n we mess this one up, we can go after a more worthy opponent ...North korea....
we can bomb their masses, huddled around a candle, warming kim-chee on their dung fueled fires, planting rice with their yak powered plows....
face it, we bit off more than are depleted forces can handle....and they want to tackle Iran???
Glad my Viet nam seasoned ass is well beyond draft age....
It would be interesting in about 300 years after the American experiment is over, how the world history books remember us...."Brilliant beginning,
a shining star, in the end, an overextended ,duped , Roman Empire wannabe"
glta
Kosar funny thing before Saddam what were they doing in Iraq. Fighting over territory and killing each other . We don't like Saddam but there was some order under him. Even Iraqis now say it was a better. So with out Saddam or some one like him when we leave guess what. Same old thing. And we will have lost how many lives and spent how much. Just so they can keep killing each other. Boy we sure showed them.
You're right, gw, I gotta get myself more on the ball. People just keep beating me to the punch!
Propaganda. I've said it here before...the big scene of civilians dancing around the fallen Saddam statue has ben shown to be a big lie. (BBC) Propaganda.
all we get is negative press about iraq.....that`s why opinion polls run so negatively on the war...much like viet nam.... if we were getting rosy reports,the opinion polls would be positive...
Have you ever stopped and thought that just maybe the situation simply isn't rosy?...er, much like Vietnam!
Look, I can kinda understand where you're coming from...you want the family's/parents of the dying soldiers to feel good it all...that they are dying for a reason, serving their country, doing good for the world...
...but is that the case, weaser?
If the answer is no, then the simple answer is no, no matter how much spin you want to put on it.
Just another slightly disjointed thought, but doesn't the fact that it is listed as "propaganda" then make it not?
I mean, if the Anti-US/war conspiracy thing is on in the media as you are prone to believe, would they not just show it and make up their own story on it?
I dunno...maybe I'm off the mark, but after something is declared as propaganda, don't you tend to view it in a different light?...It ceases to become propaganda surely?...
if they knowingly air enemy propoganda, knowing it's propoganda, they surely can't expect those of us who actually have taken a side in this conflict, much less our troops, to do anything but thoroughly revile them for it....
..sorry, now I've just seen this...and isn't that the point. You've "taken a side"...and you're going to ride it home to the bitter end.
Bush and the boys need supporting simply because they are American...no thought into the rights and wrongs of it all (either/both ways)...just good ol' US blind faith I tells ya!
they selectively chose not to do video of the 10000`s of civilian murders.
No, because the vast majority of "supporters" don't care about civilian deaths do they...in fact most of them are probably cheering one less Arab/Muslim in the world.
We see it all the time...car bombs/suicide attacks...
*** Last rambling thought for the day, but in a strange twist of irony, state (government) run news agencies are usually more independant than your big corporations...
...It's the whole chicken/egg argument isn't it?...Does the "news" show both sides of a story, or does it just pump out what the majority of it's viewers want to see?...It's all ratings.
I think it's a given fact that most people don't want to learn...don't want to think for themselves...
...they want to sit down after a hard day at work and be told/validated stuff they already believe.
Isn't that right?
As I said, it's about about attracting/holding viewers...ratings...ads...revenue...bottom line...
Where the BBC's and ABC in Australia's case are government "run"...they don't rely on revenue. They have no reason to pander to any particular demographic, they simply report things as they happen....
...why'd I down this path?...because we see the aftermath a suicide attacks on civilians all the time...
...just because you don't, don't assume that it doesn't happen.
Maybe CNN isn't as "out there" as you are portraying...
...hey, sure, they have their angle, but no more than Fox or any other corporately owned "media" outlet.
if cnn wants to act as if it exists in an impartial bubble outside of american culture, fine.
Yeah...how dare they not simply tow the party line! :shrug:
"what would have been the response had american theatres run old newsreels of german soldiers "headshotting" american g.i.`s during ww2?"
whattaya think,c?..or if it were done in australia?....say,back in the 4o`s.....your mother/father..grandmother/grandfather.... at the moviehouse watching young aussie troops getting drilled in the head by the germans..
I'm sure plenty of newsreels showed German heads popping!!...Plenty of Japs being burnt alive on Iwo...Plenty of Jews being shot and dumped in mass graves...
...Propaganda!
Lke I said, it's 2006, not 1940. In my mind at least, the days of "rallying the troops" are long gone.
Don't we deserve a view from both sides of the fence these days?
The whole point is that you are quite happy to feel good about the "war" when seeing an Iraqi getting popped, but don't you dare make me question things or make me feel uncomfortable by showing me a dead American. :nono:
How about the landings on D-Day?...Film of 100's of Allies dying anyway.
on the other hand,if one of these soldiers is threatened by enemy fire, the reporter will take pictures of him getting shot, and sell them.....
Two points here I guess...The calous/realist in me simply says that both are doing their job to do so.
A reporter reports...a photographer photographs...
Not much good trying to make a living as a journo if you don't write stories/take pictures!
Not much good being a soldier if youre not going to risk your life to help/protect others around you.
...my more caring side
D) agrees with you, that most journo's are dumb-arse scum anyway. Feeding on sapped up human misery and peddling it to the masses.don`t insult me and act like smurph and play deaf,dumb and blind...
I was kidding with my shot at you smurphy, btw. It was just a reference to gw's previous postings. (Just makin' sure we're on the same page here!)
i`m hitting the rack.......
Yep, some of your stuff is pure torture, g-dub
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--and after reading I still don't see an effort to answer
"Maybe we can get a rebuttle from some and give us a few examples of how Liberals and the media have aided "our" side."
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--only thing I've seen is disputes on whether we should have went to war in Iraq--still looking for
1st response on liberals efforts in war on terror???
---that aid us and not the terrorist.
"Maybe we can get a rebuttle from some and give us a few examples of how Liberals and the media have aided "our" side."
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--only thing I've seen is disputes on whether we should have went to war in Iraq--still looking for
1st response on liberals efforts in war on terror???
---that aid us and not the terrorist.
You've had 100 answers!!!!!
The Hussain statue.
A thousand pictures/vids of US war planes bombing targets...cruise missles hitting targets.
US forces detaining/killing "insurgants".
Months (years even, to the point of movie making now...I see the Hollywood lefties crowd are a bit quiet on this one too...) of hiding the 'real' events of 9/11 (ie. people plunging to their deaths), but focussing on the heroes, the victims...
Admit it or not, it's ALL spin/spin/spin.
But beside the point, why is journalism supposed to "help" either side?? :shrug:
lol- I give up. You don't think that I answered that, or Christo? Whatever.
THE MEDIA DID EVERY F*CKING THING IN THEIR POWER TO 'AID' THE CAUSE OF AN INVASION AND OCCUPATION. LIKE YOU AND MANY OTHERS, THEY DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S THEIR JOB, NOT YOURS, SO THAT FALLS ON THEM. THEY FAILED. THEY WERE DERELICT IN THEIR DUTY AS NEWS AND INVESTIGATIVE ORGANIZATIONS. THEY ONLY CARED ABOUT CHEERING ON THIS MISGUIDED, POINTLESS AND FUTILE 'OPERATION.'
What the hell is wrong with you?
This is very confusing, Gardenweasel. If you approve of FOX News not showing Muhammed, why did you (and still do) harp against CNN and NYT for also not showing the cartoon?
Why the double standard on this issue?
Thread has progressed beyond this comment, but I just noticed it....
As strongly as I do feel about nutjobs here in the US bombing abortion clinics or bashing gay people, the proportion of such incidents "favors" jihadis. It is quite isolated here.
Moreover, the support for such attacks is disimilar. Even rampant homophobes or abotion foes typically wouldn't celebrate at the brutal killing of a gay man as he is strapped to a fence in Wyoming, or a health clinic doctor bombed to pieces.
THOSE incidents in America, tend to galvanize opinions AGAINST such extreme factions, where in Muslim countries that is not the case.
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