There has to be SOME data out there that both sides of the argument can agree on. ALL of the data can't be skewed. To say ALL of the data collected is wrong (or that all the data is accurate) is a cop out.
I'd like to go back to a question I raised earlier. What percentage of attacks from a certain breed is acceptable to everyone? If you told me that 1 out of 1000 of a certain breed where involved in an attack/bite I would say that is too many regardless if it was a "bully type" or lab.
I'd also like to ask another question of the group. Why do people choose "bully types"? There are plenty of dogs that display the same great traits known in bully type breeds. I am not slamming anyone. So please don't read that tone in my post. I believe people choose pit bulls to be rebellious, as kind of a "fuck you" to society, "I'll buy whatever dog I want." That is just my impression.
There is no doubt that the media takes the easy way out and fills their air time with stories of pit bull attacks instead of doing some real work. Pit bulls do get more negative attention than other breeds that also attack. Frankly I'm sick of the stories. Instead of sending the reporter to the crime scene they should send them to research the records of the local authorities in their state.
I work with them PaSprint so I may have different reasons to love the breed and advocate for them than others. Friday a beautiful Pitt pup was brought in near death as the owner had strangled the dog until it passed out and took scissors to his ears and lopped them off. Then put duct tape over it put him outside and went to work. For several days the dogs ears went untreated and are infected. Luckily a friend alerted me to it and the dog is clinging to life. Friday he licked my hand and tried to wag his tail. All the puppy wants to do is love and be loved n even after all that abuse done to him by humans.
So I guess my answer to you sprint is that I think the acceptable level of bites from a specific breed for me would be directly proportional to the level of acceptable animal abuse.
Moreover, the pertinence of the subject to society is negligible. Aren't we all suppose to be protesting the horrors of domestic and child abuse? I mean I'm sure that several posters in this thread that were so upset about those social events that their picket line walking days are still booked. I wouldn't want to think that their anger has abated as the media coverage does.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Did you by chance mean to direct your answer towards PocketAces?? PaSprint was asking me what he did to piss you off?? :shrug:
The best part of this is that right after i sent these two of my fosters got in a fight and my hand got caught in the middle and i have some good puncture wounds again. The pitty was not involved either. Chow and husky
So I guess my answer to you sprint is that I think the acceptable level of bites from a specific breed for me would be directly proportional to the level of acceptable animal abuse.
Moreover, the pertinence of the subject to society is negligible. Aren't we all suppose to be protesting the horrors of domestic and child abuse? I mean I'm sure that several posters in this thread that were so upset about those social events that their picket line walking days are still booked. I wouldn't want to think that their anger has abated as the media coverage does.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Pachicky and sprint,
Up to the paragraph break was directed at sprint and if it comes off as me being pissed or mad at him then I sincerely apologize as that was most certainly not the case. I was trying to answer his question as earnestly as I could. Neither of you has or will ever make me mad. Furthermore, I think his question is an excellent one. However, it also seeds the grounds for the bigger question of why is this a problem now? It may be easy for Saint and others to simply accept as fact that a certain breed is aggressive because it's always the same type of dog you hear about doing all the heinous shit, so it must just be that way!?
Unfortunately, I don't think that line of thinking takes all facets of the issue into account and banning the breed certainly doesn't cure the issue at hand.
PocketAces,
I meant no disrespect to you man. The statement was made in an effort to illustrate a point. Sorry if I offended you man.
The thing is that the original pitty breeds were invented by our forefathers and bed to have certain traits. The dogs were bred to be "nanny dogs". Aggression was not one of the traits that was "bred" into the dog. For several years the dog breed, the American Staffordshire Terrier, grew to be su successful among American homes and families that it was well represented in tv, billboards, movies and the like. It was such a success that they are still the first or second most popular breed among American families. In the 70 's concerns rose over the safety of dobermans. Consequently, the reports of "attacks" spiked aggressively rise years with the release of movies like "The Doberman Gang" and sequels.
I think we can see where this is going.
Is it the breed that's suddenly "become aggressive", have we changed our culture? Or maybe public sentiment had changed and maybe it's changed for the same reasons it always does.
PocketAces,
I meant no disrespect to you man. The statement was made in an effort to illustrate a point. Sorry if I offended you man.
Look s-love or hank or whoever the fuck it is that you want to hide behind this year because you can't stomach your true self, I don't like you. Real or fake, I don't like you. You're a pig with absolutely nothing to contribute to this post, thread, forum, Internet, earth or galaxy. You and your twin, hedge (I only mention him because you two seem to be kindred spirits and I don't like him either), are truly a detriment to the progression of our culture, society, and nation. You two may find it clever to make witless post after witless post. I find it sad and depressing. Sensibility and self awareness are completely foreign concepts to all three of you; hedge, the real you, and the fake you.smile and try to not be so mad.....find some friends and take them out for drinks....but dont drink so much you picture bruce willis having sex.....you will thank me later
hank
That would be a great thesis but I think you'd have to try to take on one element of the discussion at a time. Seems like that topic could be so broad that it could get away from you, ya know what i mean?I was never offended and never mad. For some reason this topic has always interested me. I was just trying to learn a little more. This would be some solid work for a grad school project. Interesting for sure!
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Look s-love or hank or whoever the fuck it is that you want to hide behind this year because you can't stomach your true self, I don't like you. Real or fake, I don't like you. You're a pig with absolutely nothing to contribute to this post, thread, forum, Internet, earth or galaxy. You and your twin, hedge (I only mention him because you two seem to be kindred spirits and I don't like him either), are truly a detriment to the progression of our culture, society, and nation. You two may find it clever to make witless post after witless post. I find it sad and depressing. Sensibility and self awareness are completely foreign concepts to all three of you; hedge, the real you, and the fake you.
Ignorance, bigotry, self loathing, and a shitty sense of humor are your most recognizable traits, that's the same shitty sea your pod pals swim in by the way, and you relish it in that shit. You and your pals assume no responsibility for your actions as a man or human being.
When you let a woman you met while she was dancing at a strip club take your little daughter shopping for her birthday while you sit in a bar drinking during your weekend visitation, you don't get to have an opinion on social situations such as the Adrian Peterson incident.
When you pretend to be someone you are not, and to make matters worse, that person is also a social pariah and known racist, you're a bad person and not anyone I want to know.
So let's just stop all this right here. There is no need for you and I to converse or even engage in a discussion, because I don't consider you to be a part of the solution to anything, just the problem.
Hope this helps,
FDC
I offered you no deal and we aren't friends. Besides, if that's how you treat you're friends, it's no surprise you only have one.sounds like a deal? you stay out of my threads and ill stay out of yours.....can you control yourself? you seem like a weak man but i can stay out of your threads....hank is all man....in control....you see that is how i live my life....not count on some dogs that you use to scare other men you cant stand up to.....hank is man enough to not need a killer dog.....but you cant expect to be like hank....hank is all man
so let me know if you except my offer......prob be good for both of us
your friend
hank
I offered you no deal and we aren't friends. Besides, if that's how you treat you're friends, it's no surprise you only have one.
Neither you nor I have any threads here, they're all jaek's.
Once again, have someone that can read and comprehend explain to you what working with troubled breeds and fostering mean.
:facepalm:
your friend
hank
This message is hidden because fatdaddycool is on your ignore list. I did this Hank and life is much better here, I took him off and he earned his way back to ignore list :0074
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