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Chadman

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No I don't.Life success depends on what you put into it regardless of genderor race IMO.

I'm not talking about success. I'm talking about how white people benefit in hundreds of different ways, just because they are white. They are sometimes unseen (especially in your case), and always unearned benefits. We simply do not have to deal with the things non-whites have to deal with on a daily basis, and we do benefit from being white.

You don't see that, and I don't think you're trying hard to see that. Here are some examples that apparently you haven't considered:

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
 

THE KOD

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I guess we're even KC- as I was curious why you'd try to scam members for nickles and dimes--

My reason is expose the race baiters as clueless --

--and your reason was
:0corn
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here we go :0corn
 

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the challenge was the dinner

you with 100 black men ?

wtf is this ?


Did something horrible happen at the dinner ?:0corn
 

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Thanks Scott

They had dinner at Ryans steak house from immediately after event 2:30 until closing. So you had general population during entire period.

They did have dance for golfers that evening at Par Makers clubhouse which I did not attend.
I don't dance and started at 9 which is my bedtime.

Per the tourney I played poorly (have not played well all year since tennis elbow) I entered Senior division (which had largest group of players--6 flights I believe)) shot 78 1st day (34-44) and qualified at very bottom of championship flight. Follow it with 79 (36-43) but got off the bottom as beat the two I was paired with as set up tougher 2nd day-
I like tourney but 6 hour rounds too long--hard to stay loose as you get older.

The guy in photo is Dee --we play together bout once a week (today 11:30) His father plays with us quite often. dee has 2 barber shops and father (Jay) is retired from Kroger.
 
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I would say.,.. Rusty I do not think you are racist, but judging by your posts you do seem to be a bigot. It is evident.. I would be willing to bet that most people who are not DTB who read this thread and would agree. Guessing at least 75%. I am talking non political posters. I am saying a random sample of people who just stumbled acrross many of your posts..

I see you are sticking up for DTB,, This guy posts racists stuff all the time. Calling the president Gumby and posting his recent pics are just a few. Hell you guys do not have Skulnik defending you on that..

Now to some of the topics in the thread..

1. I agree with you on the racist thing regarding the man who murdered 8 people. Was there racism at work? I am sure there was but no way could the racism been so bad to do the acts he did. I do not think that TU or Chadman disagree with that.
2. I know there is reverse racism towards whites but it is not even close.
3. Most illegals do not have it better than you or I. There is a reason they are fleeing and coming here. I do not like it either but I can't say that I would not do the same if I was in their position.

I'm trying to make people see that as time as gone on were more equal as races then ever before.If you add up that makes me a bigot,what can I say/?
 

Chadman

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Don't remember now, Illum, it was a quick Google regarding ways white privilege can be seen, some verbiage like that.
 

Chadman

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I'm trying to make people see that as time as gone on were more equal as races then ever before.

And of course, this comment specifically accepts white privilege, if in some ways our society is becoming more equal than before. More equal, is of course, not equal. There are some here that will hop on your equality no-white-privilege no-thought process, but I think you should give up trying to convince the more evolved on the board. Just an opinion, of course.
 

rusty

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I'm not talking about success. I'm talking about how white people benefit in hundreds of different ways, just because they are white. They are sometimes unseen (especially in your case), and always unearned benefits. We simply do not have to deal with the things non-whites have to deal with on a daily basis, and we do benefit from being white.

You don't see that, and I don't think you're trying hard to see that. Here are some examples that apparently you haven't considered:

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

Chad,
What a perfect world list.Like all these stay perfectly true every day in every community.Its like a wish list.I'm surprised that a certain member on the board hasn't ripped this apart already.
 

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We sure have. I'm amazed at your ignorance.

Right back at yeah...My next door neighbor is a minority.Owns his home,has kids his wife doesn't work.You follow where I'm going here.

I understand the dis-advantages of minorities ,of course there are.But don't be so blind to the fact that over time the gap has been significantly closed.This isn't the 60's anymore.

I live in a well kept,nice houses community.They are succeeding in living with whites on the same playing field.I have no problem with this ,in fact I think its great.

The way you and Chad sound its not happening.
Where you guys been??
 

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Which member is that ?

Why be so vague ?

A majority of the list is true.

My guys at work get fucked with all the time by the steriod head cops in this town. They get pulled over for DWM (Driving while Mexican) all the time. He has a license plate holde that says.... ( I know, I know, License, registration, and insurance) It doesn't help that he has an Olds that is Jacked with all the Hydrolics and the gear, but he isn't an asshole, he has a killer car.
 

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Right back at yeah...My next door neighbor is a minority.Owns his home,has kids his wife doesn't work.You follow where I'm going here.

I understand the dis-advantages of minorities ,of course there are.But don't be so blind to the fact that over time the gap has been significantly closed.This isn't the 60's anymore.

I live in a well kept,nice houses community.They are succeeding in living with whites on the same playing field.I have no problem with this ,in fact I think its great.

The way you and Chad sound its not happening.
Where you guys been??

You still don't understand.
 

Chadman

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Chad,
What a perfect world list.

This is a correct analogy. It's a perfect world list for white males, in respect to these issues. Otherwise, it's a problematic list in many situations, in fact most, for people of color. That is what is meant by white privilege - unearned benefits, merely due to the color of your skin. All are examples. I guess it makes you feel better that not all of these things happen all the time to all people of color.

Yes, things are better for people of color now, than when we showed up in this country. Things were pretty shitty for people of all non-white colors back then... but the list above shows how in some ways things haven't changed at all. The thing is, you don't have to worry about any of these things, as you are a white male - thus, it's not important to you. I understand, you don't have to care. We all have to care about what's right and justifiable in our world.
 
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