So your answer is to ban guns. Have the government confiscate upwards of 350 million guns.
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Florida School Shooting
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So your answer is to ban guns. Have the government confiscate upwards of 350 million guns.
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Yes, thank you for finally catching up. Do I think that can happen by Monday? No. As was stated earlier, had we started after Columbine I bet we have them by now and some of those children are still alive.
Those children matter, people like Hedge and his fascination to own a gun that makes him feel like he has some power in this world do not matter.
Some, likely not all, but some of those kids would still be alive had this process started when it should have. I will go ahead and overstate the obvious, if it was your kid that was killed in one of these shootings you would feel differently.
Just because the task at hand is difficult does not mean we accept the results we are getting today.
a full on ban on guns is insane and won't happen.
why not take a step though and ban the AR15.
#1 stop selling it!
institute some sort of buy back program where people can hand them in.
you dont have to go door to door confiscating it. you can roll out a program where you can hand it. have the government even pay the cost of the weapon when people hand it in.
set a deadline. after the date, it is a felony to own an AR15. if you want to keep it and roll the dice, ok, but if someone reported you and you were found to be owning it. you're done.
I am not a fucking law maker and maybe that idea isnt perfect but holy shit at least its a start. have to start somewhere. 2 sides need to actually work together isntead of being full on perma ban or full on guns for everyone. there can be some middle ground. :facepalm:
This is the best argument in this entire thread. Out of six pages of arguing, this is it.
I'll ask you for a third time. When will you volunteer to stand armed guard at a local school? That's what you want done, so quit typing on Madjack's , and get to work!
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Any tragic loss of innocent young life is horrifying.
Magnify that by the impact on communities, its devastating.
There are no answers on this one, even if you banned ASSAULT RIFLES, there are zillions available on the aftermarket.
Assault rifles are weapons of war, period.
What I find interesting in this FLA incident is the FBI coming forward and saying THEY dropped the ball..
WHAT exactly is their agenda? Why would you take some responsibility in this? If anything, they would not bring their "screw-up" forward.
America has been involved in countless wars, conflicts, regime changes, revolutions, etc....for many, many decades.
What has been created is a continuing psyche of militarism.
I had never touched a weapon till Vietnam (don't get me started on that fiasco). Barely out of high school, I became personally acquainted with grenade launchers, claymores, M-14, M16 rifles, hand grenades of all varieties, shoulder launched anti-tank missile, M60 machine gun, 50 caliber Machine gun, night scopes, chi-com AK 47+ SKS, 38 cal and 45 cal pistols.
What was the first thing I did when I got discharged home?
After clearing up a good case of crabs I developed in a last nite fling at a Saigon Whore house, I bought a used Mercury Montego for 1200. (Shudda got the Brand New Datsun 240Z)
Went back to work, reunited friendships, bought guns.
Not a hunter, just thought in my mind I should have some, why? Don't know....a continuation of my war experiences? Insecurity?
Bought an M-1 carbine, AR 180, German 9mm luger. Went to the range maybe 3 dozen times in 30 years. I ended up giving them to good sane friends about 10 years ago.
There are SO many bad influences available to the young ....Hollywood glorifying war, Media bad news.
Guns are the last thing youth needs exposure to.
If dad is a true responsible hunter, I can see it, otherwise help junior get a real life.
Magnify that by the impact on communities, its devastating.
There are no answers on this one, even if you banned ASSAULT RIFLES, there are zillions available on the aftermarket.
Assault rifles are weapons of war, period.
What I find interesting in this FLA incident is the FBI coming forward and saying THEY dropped the ball..
WHAT exactly is their agenda? Why would you take some responsibility in this? If anything, they would not bring their "screw-up" forward.
America has been involved in countless wars, conflicts, regime changes, revolutions, etc....for many, many decades.
What has been created is a continuing psyche of militarism.
I had never touched a weapon till Vietnam (don't get me started on that fiasco). Barely out of high school, I became personally acquainted with grenade launchers, claymores, M-14, M16 rifles, hand grenades of all varieties, shoulder launched anti-tank missile, M60 machine gun, 50 caliber Machine gun, night scopes, chi-com AK 47+ SKS, 38 cal and 45 cal pistols.
What was the first thing I did when I got discharged home?
After clearing up a good case of crabs I developed in a last nite fling at a Saigon Whore house, I bought a used Mercury Montego for 1200. (Shudda got the Brand New Datsun 240Z)
Went back to work, reunited friendships, bought guns.
Not a hunter, just thought in my mind I should have some, why? Don't know....a continuation of my war experiences? Insecurity?
Bought an M-1 carbine, AR 180, German 9mm luger. Went to the range maybe 3 dozen times in 30 years. I ended up giving them to good sane friends about 10 years ago.
There are SO many bad influences available to the young ....Hollywood glorifying war, Media bad news.
Guns are the last thing youth needs exposure to.
If dad is a true responsible hunter, I can see it, otherwise help junior get a real life.
I'm not being argumentative here, but time and time again I hear this excuse, and that's what it is, an excuse. Everytime someone uses that excuse I ask the same question, why are other countries able to do it?
I really don't see anyone answering that question.
Ban them and have a $2000 buyback for remainders by the gubberment? There is SO much distrust when it comes to government these days......Vietnam created the mortal wound.
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I don't know how some of you can watch the emotion expressed by the surviving Florida students and just go "fuck you."
Best post of the thread by far.
Just because there is a lot of guns out there we are not even going to discuss some sort of plan to get rid of some of them.
That sounds just like insanity to me.
Congress will race back when some husband wants to pull the plug on a brain dead woman but doing something about all the guns is just too hard to do.
Never in this country have we had such a defeated attitude towards something, and its coming at the costs of childrens lives, and the response from some of these people is that there is nothing to do it will be too hard.
Seems like a generational thing, for all the shit kids get from older people about being on their electronic devices playing video games etc at least they do not act like total cowards and bitches about gun control.
No its better as it is, unstable people with guns they should never have killing fucking children in mass amounts.
Great plan, hey if something is difficult to do why even bother right?
But they really really like their stupid fucking guns, more then the lives of innocent children.
No other country on the planet has this shit happen like it does here, and the response from these dickless gun nuts is that it will be too hard to even try and do something.
Let's recap:
His family knew he was a threat and were concerned
His friends/classmates knew he was a threat and were concerned
His school knew he was a threat and were concerned
Social media knew he was a threat and was concerned
The local police knew he was a threat and was concerned
The friggin FBI knew he was a threat and was concerned (even as recently as 3 weeks ago)
Yet
All the hate and blame go to the:
Gun laws
Nra
Republicans
Where's the finger pointing at the ACTUAL person who did this and the authorities paid to protect us from these kinds of criminals (esp since they all knew).
At the end of the day, laws are only followed by law abiding citizens. Nut jobs like this who are hell bent on this type of killing will find their way to these types of guns.
It's the culture we've allowed to create, the lack of personal responsibility, the erosion of values and the coddling and over medication of children that I see as a way bigger issue.
Then again, I'll probably just be called a gun loving right wing nut job who is letting our children be slaughtered.....even though I've never owned a gun.
His family knew he was a threat and were concerned
His friends/classmates knew he was a threat and were concerned
His school knew he was a threat and were concerned
Social media knew he was a threat and was concerned
The local police knew he was a threat and was concerned
The friggin FBI knew he was a threat and was concerned (even as recently as 3 weeks ago)
Yet
All the hate and blame go to the:
Gun laws
Nra
Republicans
Where's the finger pointing at the ACTUAL person who did this and the authorities paid to protect us from these kinds of criminals (esp since they all knew).
At the end of the day, laws are only followed by law abiding citizens. Nut jobs like this who are hell bent on this type of killing will find their way to these types of guns.
It's the culture we've allowed to create, the lack of personal responsibility, the erosion of values and the coddling and over medication of children that I see as a way bigger issue.
Then again, I'll probably just be called a gun loving right wing nut job who is letting our children be slaughtered.....even though I've never owned a gun.
I'll continue asking the question (though I know nobody will actually answer it), why does this type of thing not happen in other countries?
Otherwise, I don't know anyone withholding blame from the shooter. Nobody is looking to make the gun the scapegoat here, but if you remove people's (easy) access to these type of weapons you limit the damage they can do. I never said you could stop him, but you can certainly limit the damage.
Can you imagine if the kid that did this would have had a gun:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014...ted-stabbed-at-franklin-regional-high-school/
I don't know why he didn't have a gun, maybe he couldn't get one, but his mass stabbing in a crowded hallway lead to 24 injuries, some of them critical, but all survived.
Those last three words should be powerful, "they all survived". Had he an assault rifle the story ends much differently. We agree, he couldn't be stopped, he had an agenda and was going to carry it out. We agree, he couldn't be stopped, but the damage he did, while still devastating, was survived by all.
FBI fucked that up big time. they got a tip and said they couldnt find out his identity. His user name was his real fucking name.
But ok so you want to point the finger at the FBI because they didnt do shit....fair enough....so how would the FBI not drop the ball then?
go to his house? arrest him for making that comment? what if he says he was joking? what about his 1st amendment right? free speech and all that? now youre really in a pickle. you need to decide which amendment you love more! guns or speech!
does the FBI say hey you made these comments so give us your guns now!
or is he still allowed to own guns even if the FBI tracks him down? whats your answer?
Even if you want to disregard any talk about banning guns...
I still don't understand what you don't see......everything you listed yet he was still LEGALLY ALLOWED to buy an assault rifle. What the fuck man. Holy shit.
you just dribble out the same rhetoric of these people will find a way to do these things no matter what. yeah, maybe some of them but what other countries have the extreme frequency of mass murders?
do you not think that it would at least be harder to carry out this shit if weapons of war werent so easily accessible?
do you not think that it might be possible that maybe just even ONE of these things doesnt happen because a person couldnt just walk into a store and buy an assault rifle?
do you not think it would be worth it if even one incident could be prevented? it is no guarantee but do you not think it is worth a try? jesus fucking christ I dont get it.
Hope to be able to buy you a beer sometime :toast:
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The bottom line is do we continue to do the same as we've done or try something new? We need to try something new and it has to do with gun control. No reason little dickweeds need to have a gun that has the ability to kill people quickly because of their small dicks. Fucking grow up douchebags.
And I don't even have kids. But if I did, I would be insane about this issue. Sending my kids to a school and see them shot up because some fucking moron wants to have an AR-15. Fuck you.
And I don't even have kids. But if I did, I would be insane about this issue. Sending my kids to a school and see them shot up because some fucking moron wants to have an AR-15. Fuck you.
This guys defense lawyers plead him guilty so he could avoid the death penalty? It wouldn't stop it but maybe deter it if we take him to the town square and televise his slow painful death tomorrow at 12 noon,,,,and in the great words of several here, some of whom seems to have a limited vocabulary,,if you disagree with this statement of his penalty,,,He is 100 percent guilty,,There is no doubt he did it,,,,Fuck You
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No one is asking to ban all firearms. No one is saying we can eradicate all gun violence.
More guns = more gun violence. So, common sense would indicate we should make it harder to purchase and own firearms.
Incredible how even normally reasonable people lose their freaking minds over this. Most of the pro gun group in this thread are normally douchebags, so their gun stance doesn't surprise me a little bit.
I'm reading uga12 posts and It reminds me of pro NRA friends of mine. This is an educated, thoughtful reasonable dude, yet bring guns into the equation and he sounds like a fucking yahoo.
No one is asking to ban all firearms. No one is saying we can eradicate all gun violence.
More guns = more gun violence. So, common sense would indicate we should make it harder to purchase and own firearms.
Incredible how even normally reasonable people lose their freaking minds over this. Most of the pro gun group in this thread are normally douchebags, so their gun stance doesn't surprise me a little bit.
I'm reading uga12 posts and It reminds me of pro NRA friends of mine. This is an educated, thoughtful reasonable dude, yet bring guns into the equation and he sounds like a fucking yahoo.
We need to limit gun ownership. If you don't have a flawless record, you don't have a right to carry or own a gun. If you're caught with a gun not registered to you, then you serve double digits minimum. If you commit a crime with a gun present, then you serve life with no parole for 25 yrs
