Florida School Shooting

[Penguinfan]

This guys defense lawyers plead him guilty so he could avoid the death penalty? It wouldn't stop it but maybe deter it if we take him to the town square and televise his slow painful death tomorrow at 12 noon,,,,and in the great words of several here, some of whom seems to have a limited vocabulary,,if you disagree with this statement of his penalty,,,He is 100 percent guilty,,There is no doubt he did it,,,,Fuck You

This actually brings up a great point, but I admit I don't have the answer. Usually what has happened in these mass shootings is the shooter kills himself to avoid the aftermath. When they don't, like in this case, what do we do with them to deter the next one?

The only value this piece of shit has is to try and make his existence a deterrent to the next piece of shit. Make the years this kid has left so miserable nobody would want to get caught. Before the softies come in and tell me how wrong torture is you need to take into consideration what the parents of those kids are going through today, that's torture.

Would locking this kid in a glass box and dropping him in the dessert deter the next guy? Probably not, so what is the answer? How do we extract any value from this kid still being alive? The answer is we likely don't. He just ends up a burden on society and the prison system for 60 years.

I don't care if he did plead guilty, death penalty is the only correct answer here.

 

[Penguinfan]

Incredible how even normally reasonable people lose their freaking minds over this. Most of the pro gun group in this thread are normally douchebags, so their gun stance doesn't surprise me a little bit.

I'm reading uga12 posts and It reminds me of pro NRA friends of mine. This is an educated, thoughtful reasonable dude, yet bring guns into the equation and he sounds like a fucking yahoo.

Another great point. I've come to the conclusion based on the gun nuts that I know that:

1. They cling to their gun as their source of having any semblance of power in this world because without it they have zero.

2. They cling to the 2nd Amendment argument because it's how they look educated when they otherwise are not.

The 2nd Amendment argument is so flawed it's frightening. By the way, I'm still waiting for the "banning guns won't solve the problem" people to tell me why it's working in other countries, but couldn't possibly work here.

Anyone????

 

[MadJack]

We need to limit gun ownership. If you don't have a flawless record, you don't have a right to carry or own a gun. If you're caught with a gun not registered to you, then you serve double digits minimum. If you commit a crime with a gun present, then you serve life with no parole for 25 yrs

Sounds reasonable to me.

How can anybody argue this?

 

[airportis]

Sounds reasonable to me.

How can anybody argue this?

In the UK guns do still exist on the black market and it isn?t impossoble to get them but the penalties for committing a crime with a gun are VERY stiff.

That is part of what needs to be done here at least as a starting point.

All the pro gun guys want to point the finger at well this kid was unstable and a threat and the police were called and didn?t do anything. Great. But he was still allowed to buy an assault rifle regardless of all those things. Nothing could stop him from going and buying a weapon for warfare even knowing full well he had issues and was a threat. How can anyone not see how beyond fucked that is. Even if you put to the side that it?s fuckkng absurd to own an assault rifle to begin with, how can you not take issue with the fact that someone with issues like this was fully within his rights to go and buy high powered weaponry!!!!!

 

[yyz]

Sounds reasonable to me.

How can anybody argue this?

Expense.


Everyone always wants to lock away people for years and years. Sounds good, but just can't be done. Just not enough space. The reality? You have to execute people. Now, pick and choose who dies.

 

[jas4bama]

Sounds reasonable to me.

How can anybody argue this?

Very good friend of mine is a convicted felon.,,Insurance fraud 25 years ago,,Non violent,,,Fast forward to today,,He is in his 60's,,,survived despite the charge,but no voting and no guns,,,How do you tell him can't own a gun to defend his family from the guys that don't follow the rules? He made a mistake,,,paid for it with time and money,,,

He is classified in the same group as drug dealers,,murderers,,etc,,,,What he did was wrong,,,but,,,,,,

We live in a screwed up society with a screwed up system,,,,,I love Jords post at the bottom of his page that says the only way the government can rule a man is by making him a criminal,,,,

 

[MadJack]

How do you tell him can't own a gun to defend his family from the guys that don't follow the rules?

How many people do you know that had to defend their family with firearms? How many people do you know that have been in gun fights?

I have 2 hand guns and a 270 rifle. I don't even know why I have them. Well, my stepfather gave me the 270 and I shot it a few times when I was in my 20's. I bought the hand guns but never used them and they are in my safe. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky guys that has never been in a situation where I had to defend myself with guns. I even have a concealed permit to carry, or whatever it's called, but I never carried. Is you buddy banned from buying a hand gun?
I don't even know why I jumped in here with my 2 cents but I'll leave now. :sadwave:

 

[AR182]

I don't even know why I jumped in here with my 2 cents but I'll leave now. :sadwave:

Smart move....

 

[MadJack]

Smart move....

:lol:

Hope you're feeling better, Al. :toast:

 

[AR182]

:lol:

Hope you're feeling better, Al. :toast:

Each day feeling better....Thanks Jack!!

 

[yyz]

How do you tell him can't own a gun to defend his family from the guys that don't follow the rules? He made a mistake,,,paid for it with time and money,,,

Because it's the law! And he didn't make a mistake. A mistake is turning left on Oak Street, instead of turning right. Insurance fraud is willingly screwing a company out of money. Part of his payment as a convict is losing the right to vote, and the right to possess a firearm.

 

[jas4bama]

How many people do you know that had to defend their family with firearms? How many people do you know that have been in gun fights?

I have 2 hand guns and a 270 rifle. I don't even know why I have them. Well, my stepfather gave me the 270 and I shot it a few times when I was in my 20's. I bought the hand guns but never used them and they are in my safe. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky guys that has never been in a situation where I had to defend myself with guns. I even have a concealed permit to carry, or whatever it's called, but I never carried. Is you buddy banned from buying a hand gun?
I don't even know why I jumped in here with my 2 cents but I'll leave now. :sadwave:

Tough neighborhood he lives in,,,and a bunch,,,Yes,,no firearms but he can own a bow and arrow and go hunting with it,,,Again,,I don't even own a gun,,,and hope I never put myself in a situation to need one,,,,

 

[jas4bama]

Because it's the law! And he didn't make a mistake. A mistake is turning left on Oak Street, instead of turning right. Insurance fraud is willingly screwing a company out of money. Part of his payment as a convict is losing the right to vote, and the right to possess a firearm.

Fair enough,,but,,Do you think he should follow the same rules as murderers and drug dealers? MAYBE its the same as you feel about the second amendment? It needs to be reviewed along with all other laws on occasion?WHAT if I told you he was convicted of smoking pot in Colorado,which is LEGAL now,,Should they revoke his crime and give him his rights back? Just food for thought..:0corn

 

[UGA12]

Attn Gun Freaks:::

No one is asking to ban all firearms. No one is saying we can eradicate all gun violence.

More guns = more gun violence. So, common sense would indicate we should make it harder to purchase and own firearms.

Incredible how even normally reasonable people lose their freaking minds over this. Most of the pro gun group in this thread are normally douchebags, so their gun stance doesn't surprise me a little bit.

I'm reading uga12 posts and It reminds me of pro NRA friends of mine. This is an educated, thoughtful reasonable dude, yet bring guns into the equation and he sounds like a fucking yahoo.

Actually there are multiple people in this thread that are.

Who is arguing this, I have said no less than 4 times to feel free to Ban AR's. Have zero issues with making it harder to purchase guns either.

Guess I'm just a fucking yahoo in general then because my views/outlook on the big picture is no different just because you introduce guns into the equation. There are people in this very thread that would like to see the 2nd amendment go away because how many deaths it has caused. What about the 1st amendment, how many people have died because of this one? How many have died because we couldn't just bust up into places where the bad guys were because of the 4th amendment? In this very thread we have calls of killing people at the town square to solve things. So i guess the 8th amendment causes deaths because it doesn't allow us to kill people at the town square.

So I am fine with an AR ban, fine with making it harder to making it harder to buy guns in general, but I am a fucking yahoo when I ask what other changes people are willing to make in order to make things safer for the innocent people that dont deserve to die. We have people in this thread calling for the eradication of one of the amendments to the constitution and I am the fucking yahoo.

Cool man

 

[yyz]

Fair enough,,but,,Do you think he should follow the same rules as murderers and drug dealers? MAYBE its the same as you feel about the second amendment? It needs to be reviewed along with all other laws on occasion?WHAT if I told you he was convicted of smoking pot in Colorado,which is LEGAL now,,Should they revoke his crime and give him his rights back? Just food for thought..:0corn

Laws are open for change every day. It's one of the few things that still make this failing country okay.

 

[smurphy]

Very good friend of mine is a convicted felon.,,Insurance fraud 25 years ago,,Non violent,,,Fast forward to today,,He is in his 60's,,,survived despite the charge,but no voting and no guns,,,How do you tell him can't own a gun to defend his family from the guys that don't follow the rules? He made a mistake,,,paid for it with time and money,,,

He is classified in the same group as drug dealers,,murderers,,etc,,,,What he did was wrong,,,but,,,,,,

We live in a screwed up society with a screwed up system,,,,,I love Jords post at the bottom of his page that says the only way the government can rule a man is by making him a criminal,,,,

He sounds worse than a drug dealer. I definitely don't trust someone like that with a gun.

 

[jas4bama]

He sounds worse than a drug dealer. I definitely don't trust someone like that with a gun.

Ill play along,,,,,please tell me how ,,,

 

[smurphy]

Fraud is an act of pure greed against all of us. Drug dealing at least offers some level of service to a willing customer seeking a product.

 

[zoomer]

Fraud is an act of pure greed against all of us. Drug dealing at least offers some level of service to a willing customer seeking a product.

Certainly, you are joking. Drug dealers sell to whoever has the cash. Crack, vicodin and heroin to school age kids.

 

[yyz]

Certainly, you are joking. Drug dealers sell to whoever has the cash. Crack, vicodin and heroin to school age kids.

Yup. Willing customers.