Florida School Shooting
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Not teaching personal responsibilities, values? What values? Religion? Sorry, all these other modern nations are more secular and have bigger welfare programs then we do so it certainly is NOT that. Medication? Great, another mental health expert. Why is it always men or teenage boys and never women? Perhaps we should not even allow men or teenage boys to access to military grade weapons. Another thing, for some reason I read a comments thread on Yahoo News on a major vehicle accident and saw the same retarded comments about why not car control. Well, in response the that absurd point of view is why we don't have fucking insurance for guns? Register them every year also. Finally, a facebook friend of mine posted a sign that had a quote from George Washington underneath the 2nd amendment to which is what these radicals use to justify their point of view. I didn't respond because I keep my facebook posts to pictures from my bike rides but my reponse to her and others is that our founding father could not have imagined rapid fire military weapons and guns then and now would do no good against our government if it wanted to take over as there were no jet fighters, tanks and artillary we have now back then. So to those who use these arguments, stop as they have credibility to rational people.
Also, nationwide polling is in favor of more gun control but yet it is because of the lefties nothing can get done. All lefties want to overturn the 2nd amendment? First off no, not all. Military style weapons, YES. Huge difference, please stop the disconnect.
Assault weapons. I was speaking about assault weapons.
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Hope this helps,
FDC
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Good.
Hope this helps,
FDC
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Thanks for clarifying because you never said assault weapons you said guns, the total # of guns and how easy it could be to get rid of them all like we did with buffalos
Banning assualt weapons of any kind would help .
BUT only way to stop these wackos is to keep them close to you all the time and armed security guards in every school constant checking up on any loners or people that got fired from a job or anything known in past mass shoootings that sent someone off.
in other words prevent it from happening .
Maybe if they start saying YOU could be next or family and friends get killed .......... like no matter where you live in the usa it can happen. :shrug:
BUT only way to stop these wackos is to keep them close to you all the time and armed security guards in every school constant checking up on any loners or people that got fired from a job or anything known in past mass shoootings that sent someone off.
in other words prevent it from happening .
Maybe if they start saying YOU could be next or family and friends get killed .......... like no matter where you live in the usa it can happen. :shrug:
the laws should be 21 years old, first of all!! the guy who sold the guns should be a arrested!! do people need ar15 i say no
Well the world has to be ending soon when first I agree with saint and now Ray in the same week. Either that or this isn't the flu I have right now.
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Apparently, despite the gun nuts' vehement protests, not everyone is a hero. At times like these, reality sets in.
Peace!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Sheriff: Deputy on duty at school where 17 were killed never went inside to engage shooter and has now resigned.</p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/966802599268798465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Peace!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Sheriff: Deputy on duty at school where 17 were killed never went inside to engage shooter and has now resigned.</p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/966802599268798465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Gov Rick Scott (R) is currently giving his post-shooting speech. I turned it on midway, and the first thing I hear is McVeigh used fertilizer, people use car bombs......lets not penalize the law abiding gun owners........
Fuck off.
Fuck off.
I'm getting tired of all this propaganda about "crazy people" doing all of these shootings. Is that where we have gotten?
Mass shooting: "He's crazy!" Well, in some cases that is certainly true. But, we can't just pigeon hole every shooter into the lunatic realm. Is it normal to shoot up a school? No. Is it normal to cut someone off in traffic and flip them the bird? No. But that doesn't make you crazy.
This kid in Florida obviously had serious issues. You can't deny that. But what about the guy in Vegas? Authorities searched high and low to find out what his fucking problem was.
Can't the gun just be an extension of misplaced rage? You're in a bar and a guy bumps you. Most would have no problem with this, some might have words with the guy. Others might have a fist for the guy. Another guy might pull a gun and shoot him. Where does the person become "a nut"? When the gun comes out? Apparently so.
Too much blame goes on mental illness for these matters. How come the "nut" never goes after people with a can of bug spray? Why doesn't the "nut" run around naked and smear shit on himself? That's the stuff "nuts" do.
As much as people want to say removing guns won't solve anything, neither will labeling these assailants nuts".
Mass shooting: "He's crazy!" Well, in some cases that is certainly true. But, we can't just pigeon hole every shooter into the lunatic realm. Is it normal to shoot up a school? No. Is it normal to cut someone off in traffic and flip them the bird? No. But that doesn't make you crazy.
This kid in Florida obviously had serious issues. You can't deny that. But what about the guy in Vegas? Authorities searched high and low to find out what his fucking problem was.
Can't the gun just be an extension of misplaced rage? You're in a bar and a guy bumps you. Most would have no problem with this, some might have words with the guy. Others might have a fist for the guy. Another guy might pull a gun and shoot him. Where does the person become "a nut"? When the gun comes out? Apparently so.
Too much blame goes on mental illness for these matters. How come the "nut" never goes after people with a can of bug spray? Why doesn't the "nut" run around naked and smear shit on himself? That's the stuff "nuts" do.
As much as people want to say removing guns won't solve anything, neither will labeling these assailants nuts".
I just think it's odd that a crazy person knows an AR-15 will inflict maximum damage.
FBI Tip-Line Caller Said Nikolas Cruz ?Is Going to Explode' [Transcript of call]
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 23, 2018 | Del Quentin Wilber
Posted on 2/23/2018 4:21:40 PM by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
A person close to accused Florida shooter said she wanted ?clear conscience? if he ?just starts shooting?
A person close to the teenager accused of killing 17 people at a Florida high school warned the FBI she was concerned he would ?get into a school and just shoot the place up,? according to a transcript of her call with a bureau tip line operator more than a month before the massacre.
More recently, Mr. Cruz ?switched it to he wants to kill people,? the unidentified woman told the operator in a somewhat rambling conversation.
?Something is gonna happen,? she said. ?Because he?s, he doesn?t have the mental capacity. He can?t, he?s so outraged if someone talks to him about certain things.?
The transcript, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, provides chilling detail about the woman?s efforts on Jan. 5 to warn authorities about Nikolas Cruz?s propensity for violence and his troubled past. The caller?s identification was redacted from the transcript.
?You know, it?s just so much,? she said on the call. ?I know he?s?he?s going to explode.? She said she was making the call because she wanted a ?clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up.? [snip]
The FBI last week acknowledged receiving such a call, which it said was from a person close to Mr. Cruz. But the transcript, and the stark nature of the caller?s precise warnings about Mr. Cruz?s disturbing actions and volatile temperament, previously hasn?t been made public.
The caller began by saying Mr. Cruz had the mental capacity of a 12- or 14-year-old. She said he had started posting messages on his Instagram account that he wanted to kill himself and she?d alerted police to that threat, but wasn?t sure what happened in that investigation.
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-tip-line-caller-said-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode-1519415442
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 23, 2018 | Del Quentin Wilber
Posted on 2/23/2018 4:21:40 PM by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
A person close to accused Florida shooter said she wanted ?clear conscience? if he ?just starts shooting?
A person close to the teenager accused of killing 17 people at a Florida high school warned the FBI she was concerned he would ?get into a school and just shoot the place up,? according to a transcript of her call with a bureau tip line operator more than a month before the massacre.
More recently, Mr. Cruz ?switched it to he wants to kill people,? the unidentified woman told the operator in a somewhat rambling conversation.
?Something is gonna happen,? she said. ?Because he?s, he doesn?t have the mental capacity. He can?t, he?s so outraged if someone talks to him about certain things.?
The transcript, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, provides chilling detail about the woman?s efforts on Jan. 5 to warn authorities about Nikolas Cruz?s propensity for violence and his troubled past. The caller?s identification was redacted from the transcript.
?You know, it?s just so much,? she said on the call. ?I know he?s?he?s going to explode.? She said she was making the call because she wanted a ?clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up.? [snip]
The FBI last week acknowledged receiving such a call, which it said was from a person close to Mr. Cruz. But the transcript, and the stark nature of the caller?s precise warnings about Mr. Cruz?s disturbing actions and volatile temperament, previously hasn?t been made public.
The caller began by saying Mr. Cruz had the mental capacity of a 12- or 14-year-old. She said he had started posting messages on his Instagram account that he wanted to kill himself and she?d alerted police to that threat, but wasn?t sure what happened in that investigation.
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-tip-line-caller-said-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode-1519415442
Japan is a country of more than 127 million people, but it rarely sees more than 10 gun deaths a year.
Culture is one reason for the low rate, but gun control is a major one, too.
Japan has a long list of tests that applicants must pass before gaining access to a small pool of guns.
Gun control discussions crop up every time there is an attention-grabbing shooting in the US. On Wednesday, a 19-year-old allegedly shot dozens of his former classmates at a Florida high school, leaving 17 of them dead.
One of the biggest questions: How does the US prevent this from happening over and over again?
Although the US has no exact counterpart elsewhere in the world, some countries have taken steps that can provide a window into what successful gun control looks like. Japan, a country of 127 million people and yearly gun deaths rarely totaling more than 10, is one such country.
"Ever since guns entered the country, Japan has always had strict gun laws," Iain Overton, executive director of Action on Armed Violence, a British advocacy group, told the BBC. "They are the first nation to impose gun laws in the whole world, and I think it laid down a bedrock saying that guns really don't play a part in civilian society."
Japan is a country with regulations upon regulations
Japan's success in curbing gun deaths is intimately linked with its history. Following World War II, pacifism emerged as one of the dominant philosophies in the country. Police only started carrying firearms after American troops made them, in 1946, for the sake of security. It's also written into Japanese law, as of 1958, that "no person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords."
Government has since loosened the law, but the fact Japan enacted gun control from the stance of prohibition is important. (It's also one of the main factors separating Japan from the US, where the Second Amendment broadly permits people to own guns.)
If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles ? no handguns ? and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.
japan riot police
Even Japanese riot police infrequently turn to guns, instead preferring long batons. Toru Hanai/Reuters
Japan has also embraced the idea that fewer guns in circulation will result in fewer deaths. Each prefecture ? which ranges in size from half a million people to 12 million, in Tokyo ? can operate a maximum of three gun shops; new magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones; and when gun owners die, their relatives must surrender the deceased member's firearms.
The role of trust can't be overstated
The result is a situation where citizens and police seldom wield or use guns.
Off-duty police aren't allowed to carry firearms, and most encounters with suspects involve some combination of martial arts or striking weapons. When Japanese attacks do turn deadly, they generally involve fatal stabbings. In July of 2016, an assailant killed 19 people in an assisted living facility. Japan rarely sees so many fatalities from guns in an entire year.
Gun control in Japan, combined with the prevailing respect for authority, has led to a more harmonious relationship between civilians and the police than in the US. It's something of a chicken-egg problem: The police, in choosing to use sub-lethal force on people, generate less widespread fear among the public that they'll be shot. In turn, people feel less of a need to arm themselves.
The US, meanwhile, has a more militarized police force that uses automatic weapons and armored cars. There is also less widespread trust between people (and between people and institutions). The factors combine to produce a much fearful culture that can seem to be always on-edge.
Japan's approach would be a tough sell in the face of American gun culture, but it can provide a starting point for reining in the senseless violence that has become a hallmark of life in the US
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read it and weep for the children that stay alive in Japan
Culture is one reason for the low rate, but gun control is a major one, too.
Japan has a long list of tests that applicants must pass before gaining access to a small pool of guns.
Gun control discussions crop up every time there is an attention-grabbing shooting in the US. On Wednesday, a 19-year-old allegedly shot dozens of his former classmates at a Florida high school, leaving 17 of them dead.
One of the biggest questions: How does the US prevent this from happening over and over again?
Although the US has no exact counterpart elsewhere in the world, some countries have taken steps that can provide a window into what successful gun control looks like. Japan, a country of 127 million people and yearly gun deaths rarely totaling more than 10, is one such country.
"Ever since guns entered the country, Japan has always had strict gun laws," Iain Overton, executive director of Action on Armed Violence, a British advocacy group, told the BBC. "They are the first nation to impose gun laws in the whole world, and I think it laid down a bedrock saying that guns really don't play a part in civilian society."
Japan is a country with regulations upon regulations
Japan's success in curbing gun deaths is intimately linked with its history. Following World War II, pacifism emerged as one of the dominant philosophies in the country. Police only started carrying firearms after American troops made them, in 1946, for the sake of security. It's also written into Japanese law, as of 1958, that "no person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords."
Government has since loosened the law, but the fact Japan enacted gun control from the stance of prohibition is important. (It's also one of the main factors separating Japan from the US, where the Second Amendment broadly permits people to own guns.)
If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles ? no handguns ? and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.
japan riot police
Even Japanese riot police infrequently turn to guns, instead preferring long batons. Toru Hanai/Reuters
Japan has also embraced the idea that fewer guns in circulation will result in fewer deaths. Each prefecture ? which ranges in size from half a million people to 12 million, in Tokyo ? can operate a maximum of three gun shops; new magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones; and when gun owners die, their relatives must surrender the deceased member's firearms.
The role of trust can't be overstated
The result is a situation where citizens and police seldom wield or use guns.
Off-duty police aren't allowed to carry firearms, and most encounters with suspects involve some combination of martial arts or striking weapons. When Japanese attacks do turn deadly, they generally involve fatal stabbings. In July of 2016, an assailant killed 19 people in an assisted living facility. Japan rarely sees so many fatalities from guns in an entire year.
Gun control in Japan, combined with the prevailing respect for authority, has led to a more harmonious relationship between civilians and the police than in the US. It's something of a chicken-egg problem: The police, in choosing to use sub-lethal force on people, generate less widespread fear among the public that they'll be shot. In turn, people feel less of a need to arm themselves.
The US, meanwhile, has a more militarized police force that uses automatic weapons and armored cars. There is also less widespread trust between people (and between people and institutions). The factors combine to produce a much fearful culture that can seem to be always on-edge.
Japan's approach would be a tough sell in the face of American gun culture, but it can provide a starting point for reining in the senseless violence that has become a hallmark of life in the US
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read it and weep for the children that stay alive in Japan
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF. "Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school..." <a href="https://t.co/hoYVufmiaO">https://t.co/hoYVufmiaO</a> <a href="https://t.co/songtgd8MN">pic.twitter.com/songtgd8MN</a></p>— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/967151941007675393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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-Armed guard on site during shooting doesn't engage.
-3 Sherriff's deputies arrive on site during shooting and park their asses behind their cars rather than entering and engaing the shooter.
Welcome to reality "more guns" folk.
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-Armed guard on site during shooting doesn't engage.
-3 Sherriff's deputies arrive on site during shooting and park their asses behind their cars rather than entering and engaing the shooter.
Welcome to reality "more guns" folk.
I have no idea what was going through the heads of officers on site not engaging the shooter and I can't/won't defend them.....
We did have coaches/teachers that did have the balls to engage/defend against the shooter and lost their life, makes one wonder if the outcome may have been different if they had the chance to defend themselves or the students?
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