Florida School Shooting

[yyz]

What is the policy/procedure for these police? This isn't tv, where they kick in the door and the guy is standing right there.

I know the police have a job to do, but you don't make yourself a victim.

Arming the teachers is not the answer either.

 

[Sportsaholic]

What is the policy/procedure for these police? This isn't tv, where they kick in the door and the guy is standing right there.

I know the police have a job to do, but you don't make yourself a victim.

Arming the teachers is not the answer either.

Why not arm the teachers that can/want to be able to defend their school with the right regulations in place......:shrug:

 

[yyz]

Why not arm the teachers that can/want to be able to defend their school with the right regulations in place......:shrug:

Where does it stop? Will we eventually have armed personnel in every building?

Will kids going to college to become teachers have to start taking marksmanship courses, too?

 

[airportis]

I have no idea what was going through the heads of officers on site not engaging the shooter and I can't/won't defend them.....

We did have coaches/teachers that did have the balls to engage/defend against the shooter and lost their life, makes one wonder if the outcome may have been different if they had the chance to defend themselves or the students?


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I think the argument to arm teachers is INSANE.

Don't a lot of these shooters have body armor or bullet proof vests? If a shooter can buy an assault rifle and now you want to arm teachers and they still want to carry out a shooting, don't you think they'll just armor up first? They can buy assault weapons, is it that hard for them to buy armor?

How much of a chance does a teacher with no armor have against someone with an assault weapon with high caliber ammunition?

Arming teachers is insanity. Why can't we just accept responsibility for the problem we have caused with such a crazy gun culture. Shit has finally gotten out of hand.

Schools should have 2 armed and trained officers at EVERY school in the country. This should be mandatory. Trained officers who have gone through the proper training to react to episodes like this. If they have to patrol campus with assault rifles of their own, I don't fucking care. We do it at airports and tourist hot spots so why not the places that are getting shot up the most?

However, the bottom line still comes down to gun control. The laws and regulations need to change.

Don't we as a country mostly have a huge problem with crazy countries in the middle east and North Korea owning chemical weapons and nukes? We don't blame the weapons there do we? We want to disarm them. I really don't fucking understand people and their priorities.

 

[jas4bama]

Why not arm the teachers that can/want to be able to defend their school with the right regulations in place......:shrug:

You may have noticed that the common denominator for these arguments are that the gun advocates don't want to give any concessions, and the gun opponents don't want to give any concessions,,,,it is their way or the highway...And that is what has us in this predicament. One pointing a finger at the other...And then the part I love the most is the fuck you said at the end of the argument.:shrug:

 

[Sportsaholic]

You may have noticed that the common denominator for these arguments are that the gun advocates don't want to give any concessions, and the gun opponents don't want to give any concessions,,,,it is their way or the highway...And that is what has us in this predicament. One pointing a finger at the other...And then the part I love the most is the fuck you said at the end of the argument.:shrug:

"If" a teacher is "qualified" and wants to be armed to defend a school how is this any different than having an armed police officer that "may" be available on any given day.....The Teacher is on campus and may make a difference.....It may not be the answer but may help going forward until a better solution has been made.....

 

[Old School]

educators packing the very same weapons capable of mass murder within the blink of an eye that we level headed beholding to no one know we must eradicate ASAP .............


the NRA might as well hold every males dick in America while he takes his morning piss.

 

[Sportsaholic]

educators packing the very same weapons capable of mass murder within the blink of an eye that we level headed beholding to no one know we must eradicate ASAP .............


the NRA might as well hold every males dick in America while he takes his morning piss.

How many teacher have been involved in "mass shootings"......???



How many teachers wish they could have tried to stop "mass shootings.....???


:0008

 

[Old School]

everytime we arm another citizen we join the rank and file of the NRA..

no thanks...they have fucked this country sideways and tipped the suits at the doors to the dome long enough.


if Japan w/127 million people could find a way to take the first steps and then the follow up steps to have a safer place for generations to come...............

Then the world wide leader should certainly be able to so as well.That or just admit to the whole rest of the world we are controlled by the worship of these killing machines and the backers who load the lawmakers of this country bank accounts with funds for reelection. Each member that is controlled on Capital Hill including the POS should have a Flag Bearer from the NRA just like the gladiators did in Roman Colosseum.Stand out be proud show your colors each and everyday.

Those who have buried their sons,daughters,nieces,aunts,uncles,dads,moms and friends whom with each second after second minute after minute hour after hour and day after day has the same question.

How many more must be slaughtered before the worship of the idol and the gold laid at its feet move the Patricians moral compass back to......."What Is Right""

 

[yyz]

"If" a teacher is "qualified" and wants to be armed to defend a school how is this any different than having an armed police officer that "may" be available on any given day.....The Teacher is on campus and may make a difference.....It may not be the answer but may help going forward until a better solution has been made.....

You had a 30 year cop on the job in Florida who couldn't get the job done!

Lets just have the military keep an eye on everyone.

 

[Sportsaholic]

You had a 30 year cop on the job in Florida who couldn't get the job done!

Thank you for supporting my point, you can't count on others to protect you.....I'm not saying I'd want to be "that teacher" packing in the time of need, but I'd rather have a person willing/able to step up when/if the time comes.....

So PLEASE come up with a better solution that is more than just banning assault weapons, we are well past that being the sole answer......People have all the answers to what is wrong with mass shootings but I have yet to hear a single answer that will totally stop this madness, because you can't...... :0008

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Thank you for supporting my point, you can't count on others to protect you.....I'm not saying I'd want to be "that teacher" packing in the time of need, but I'd rather have a person willing/able to step up when/if the time comes.....

So PLEASE come up with a better solution that is more than just banning assault weapons, we are well past that being the sole answer......People have all the answers to what is wrong with mass shootings but I have yet to hear a single answer that will totally stop this madness, because you can't...... :0008

There is an answer that ends this, but everyone shrugs it off because they don't want to part with their guns. Then those same people turn around and tell us that they want a solution. If you say the answer to 2+2 can't be 4, but you demand an answer, WTF are you expecting?

If that's not feasible,
(1) ban everything but hunting rifles and shotguns.
(2) make the penalties SEVERE for any crime/misdemeanor where a gun is present
(3) treat guns like vehicles so you have to register your gun every 3 years, keep insurance up to date, etc. or they're impounded
(4) tax the living shit out of ammunition

I'll support any of the 5 things mentioned above.

If you say the answer to 2+2 can't be 4, but you demand an answer, WTF are you expecting?

Other countries have had gun problems and, as Penguin pointed out several times, they resolved it. Quit saying it can't be done and follow the lead of countries that turned it around.

 

[yyz]

Thank you for supporting my point, you can't count on others to protect you.....I'm not saying I'd want to be "that teacher" packing in the time of need, but I'd rather have a person willing/able to step up when/if the time comes.....

So PLEASE come up with a better solution that is more than just banning assault weapons, we are well past that being the sole answer......People have all the answers to what is wrong with mass shootings but I have yet to hear a single answer that will totally stop this madness, because you can't...... :0008

I'm not supporting your point. And you're correct in we can't stop it. I guess, just like airport "security", if arming teachers gives you another bullshit sense of security, go for it!

I honestly feel that if the media stopped glamorizing these shooters, a lot of these instances would stop.

But, in the mean time, let's put our children in armed indoctrination camps, and remind them every day that they live in one of the shittiest countries in the world now.

Who ever thought we'd look back to the 90s as the good old days?

 

[Sportsaholic]

There is an answer that ends this, but everyone shrugs it off because they don't want to part with their guns. Then those same people turn around and tell us that they want a solution. If you say the answer to 2+2 can't be 4, but you demand an answer, WTF are you expecting?

If that's not feasible,
(1) ban everything but hunting rifles and shotguns.
(2) make the penalties SEVERE for any crime/misdemeanor where a gun is present
(3) treat guns like vehicles so you have to register your gun every 3 years, keep insurance up to date, etc. or they're impounded
(4) tax the living shit out of ammunition

I'll support any of the 5 things mentioned above.

If you say the answer to 2+2 can't be 4, but you demand an answer, WTF are you expecting?

Other countries have had gun problems and, as Penguin pointed out several times, they resolved it. Quit saying it can't be done and follow the lead of countries that turned it around.

I'm not supporting your point. And you're correct in we can't stop it. I guess, just like airport "security", if arming teachers gives you another bullshit sense of security, go for it!

I honestly feel that if the media stopped glamorizing these shooters, a lot of these instances would stop.

But, in the mean time, let's put our children in armed indoctrination camps, and remind them every day that they live in one of the shittiest countries in the world now.

Who ever thought we'd look back to the 90s as the good old days?

I support most everything you've said G, it will take much more to turn the tide and the clock is ticking....

I'm no gun fan, never have never will....I'm the guy that takes my kid into the wood each hunting season with one bullet in my pocket....I'm also the guy that realizes there will never be a day that guns are banned in the USA.

There will never be a one solution that fits all schools as far as protecting our children.....What works in Miami may never work in St George Maine....We've had disgruntle parents show up at our school ranting, raving and threatening, police 20-30 mins away at times.....One call and parents arrive at the school, teachers step up....Perfect scenario, no but it's better than letting the situation continue, I'm sure the same would happen with an active shooter.

I'd rather have a plan in place with the schools/police/state that networks each other as to what's going on before it happens....But there needs to be consequences for bad actors and help for the mentally ill and yet nothing changes....

God forbid we have consequences these days, that hug and "boys will be boys" has worked out so well .....

With all the technology in place these days there has to be an answer.....So having a few teachers out there that are willing and able to carry, that's a start until a better answer/solution is provided IMHO.....


So bash away.....Because that has work well so far....:0008

 

[Penguinfan]

But there needs to be consequences for bad actors and help for the mentally ill and yet nothing changes....

I'm in the minority here and I'll get shit for this, but I don't care. I'm tired of the "mentally ill" excuse. How come the mentally ill can put together a plan that includes, get guns, get ammunition, get said guns and ammunition into the school AND think it through enough to pull a fire alarm so there will be the most amount of people in the hallway as possible.

For a mentally ill person that sure is a lot of thought process. Maybe, just maybe he wasn't mentally ill, he was just a pissed off coward whos only way of striking back was going nuclear. We as a society give him that option but want to blame mental illness.

We are the ones with the mental illness. That mental illness is the love of money over human life. I think it was mentioned earlier, if it was it's worth repeating, the NRA does not give two shits less about the 2nd Amendment, that's just it's selling tool to keep the money machine turning. If there was no money in it there would be no NRA and no guns in our society available to slaughter kids with.

Wayne LaPierre is worth over $5 million. You think he does what he does for the sake of the 2nd Amendment or the sake of his bank accounts?

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I support most everything you've said G, it will take much more to turn the tide and the clock is ticking....

I'm no gun fan, never have never will....I'm the guy that takes my kid into the wood each hunting season with one bullet in my pocket....I'm also the guy that realizes there will never be a day that guns are banned in the USA.

There will never be a one solution that fits all schools as far as protecting our children.....What works in Miami may never work in St George Maine....We've had disgruntle parents show up at our school ranting, raving and threatening, police 20-30 mins away at times.....One call and parents arrive at the school, teachers step up....Perfect scenario, no but it's better than letting the situation continue, I'm sure the same would happen with an active shooter.

I'd rather have a plan in place with the schools/police/state that networks each other as to what's going on before it happens....But there needs to be consequences for bad actors and help for the mentally ill and yet nothing changes....

God forbid we have consequences these days, that hug and "boys will be boys" has worked out so well .....

With all the technology in place these days there has to be an answer.....So having a few teachers out there that are willing and able to carry, that's a start until a better answer/solution is provided IMHO.....


So bash away.....Because that has work well so far....:0008

Sorry, Terry. I was not directing it at you personally. I think the #1 variable that needs changed is the amount of guns. As long as they are easily accessible, affordable, and anonymous we aren't going to see a difference. Anything else will be the equivalent of a border wall, a symbolic gesture at best.

 

[yyz]

Plenty is being done, by the way. Trump told the parents our thoughts and prayers are with the families, and then he told NRA members that he wouldnt let anyone take their guns.

People stood in the dark with candles lit.

Baseball players are wearing the school logos on their caps, and we are writing on the internet.

Lets just face the fact that school shootings are the new normal.

 

[ChrryBlstr]

We are the ones with the mental illness. That mental illness is the love of money over human life. I think it was mentioned earlier, if it was it's worth repeating, the NRA does not give two shits less about the 2nd Amendment, that's just it's selling tool to keep the money machine turning. If there was no money in it there would be no NRA and no guns in our society available to slaughter kids with.

I completely agree with you. But, I would say that it's closer to this: That mental illness is the love of money, guns, and the 2nd amendment over human life. Plus, the fallacy of freedom without really being free.

One of the most upsetting things to me is best exemplified by this teacher below. She is now an anti-gun proponent only AFTER experiencing the situation firsthand. Complete BS!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/parkland-teacher-opposed-to-gun-control-has-change-of-heart

Peace!

 

[Sportsaholic]

Sorry, Terry. I was not directing it at you personally. I think the #1 variable that needs changed is the amount of guns. As long as they are easily accessible, affordable, and anonymous we aren't going to see a difference. Anything else will be the equivalent of a border wall, a symbolic gesture at best.

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It's a heated situation that everyone wants to end.....Should have been met head on years ago but here we are today left to try and clean up the mess.....

Many of us "Old Timers" never had to go through this, we had authority figures in our life that were allowed to instill values/respect....teachers, coaches, law enforcement...yes there were bad actors as there are in any position but at least kids knew the rules and the consequences ......today kids make the rules, no one is telling them any different.....Believe it or now kids want rules, they want directions.

In todays world parent wont parent and the rest are left with their hands tied and have to deal with the results.....Now that's screwed up.....:facepalm:

 

[jas4bama]

:0008


It's a heated situation that everyone wants to end.....Should have been met head on years ago but here we are today left to try and clean up the mess.....

Many of us "Old Timers" never had to go through this, we had authority figures in our life that were allowed to instill values/respect....teachers, coaches, law enforcement...yes there were bad actors as there are in any position but at least kids knew the rules and the consequences ......today kids make the rules, no one is telling them any different.....Believe it or now kids want rules, they want directions.

In todays world parent wont parent and the rest are left with their hands tied and have to deal with the results.....Now that's screwed up.....:facepalm:

True Story,,,Buddy of mines son put a piece of candy in his pocket at the local store,He was 7,,,My friend wore his ass out right on the spot,,Lady behind him said that was a little harsh don't you think? My buddy said if you steal from me lady I'll whip your ass as well.Im his dad and not his friend in situations like this,,.Kids now 26 and he will tell you that lesson helped him more than any "time out" would have helped,,Does it guarantee success? NO,,but it helps,,,,IMO,,,I know the snowflakes will object and I'll be told fuck you,,But hey,,