Football Services Plays
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Marc Lawrence
CFB
5 * Ole Miss
4 * Wa. St.
3 * Troy
Upset TX.
NFL
5 * Ravens
4 * Philly
3 * NE
POINTWISE
COLLEGE KEY RELEASES
BAYLOR over Texas Tech RATING: 1
KANSAS STATE over Kansas RATING: 1
CINCINNATI over Temple RATING: 2
UTEP over Middle Tennessee State RATING: 3
BOSTON COLLEGE over Syracuse RATING: 4
WESTERN MICHIGAN over No Illinois RATING: 4
FLORIDA over Florida State RATING: 5
MICHIGAN STATE over Penn State RATING: 5
NFL KEY RELEASES
BALTIMORE over San Diego RATING: 3
ARIZONA over Atlanta RATING: 4
NEW YORK GIANTS over Jacksonville RATING: 4
PITTSBURGH over New Orleans RATING: 5
WASHINGTON over Indianapolis RATING: 5
CFB
5 * Ole Miss
4 * Wa. St.
3 * Troy
Upset TX.
NFL
5 * Ravens
4 * Philly
3 * NE
POINTWISE
COLLEGE KEY RELEASES
BAYLOR over Texas Tech RATING: 1
KANSAS STATE over Kansas RATING: 1
CINCINNATI over Temple RATING: 2
UTEP over Middle Tennessee State RATING: 3
BOSTON COLLEGE over Syracuse RATING: 4
WESTERN MICHIGAN over No Illinois RATING: 4
FLORIDA over Florida State RATING: 5
MICHIGAN STATE over Penn State RATING: 5
NFL KEY RELEASES
BALTIMORE over San Diego RATING: 3
ARIZONA over Atlanta RATING: 4
NEW YORK GIANTS over Jacksonville RATING: 4
PITTSBURGH over New Orleans RATING: 5
WASHINGTON over Indianapolis RATING: 5
RED SHEET
RATINGS: 89 & ABOVE: SUPERIOR PLAY
88 & BELOW: ABOVE AVERAGE PLAY
RATING: MISSISSIPPI STATE 89
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RATING: WESTERN MICHIGAN 89
RATING: FLORIDA 88
RATING: OHIO STATE 88
RATING: COLORADO STATE 88
RATING: ARIZONA 88
RATINGS: 89 & ABOVE: SUPERIOR PLAY
88 & BELOW: ABOVE AVERAGE PLAY
RATING: MISSISSIPPI STATE 89
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RATING: WESTERN MICHIGAN 89
RATING: FLORIDA 88
RATING: OHIO STATE 88
RATING: COLORADO STATE 88
RATING: ARIZONA 88
CKO
11 COLORADO STATE at *Air Force
Late Score Forecast:
COLORADO STATE 38 - *Air Force 19
(Friday, November 28)
10 *DUKE over Wake Forest
Late Score forecast:
*DUKE 37 - Wake Forest 8
(Saturday, November 29)
10 CINCINNATI over *Temple
Late Score Forecast:
CINCINNATI 37 - *Temple 21
(Saturday, November 29)
10 *CALIFORNIA over Byu
Late Score Forecast:
*CALIFORNIA 42 - Byu 28
(Saturday, November 29)
10 *MINNESOTA over Carolina
Late Score Forecast:
11 COLORADO STATE at *Air Force
Late Score Forecast:
COLORADO STATE 38 - *Air Force 19
(Friday, November 28)
10 *DUKE over Wake Forest
Late Score forecast:
*DUKE 37 - Wake Forest 8
(Saturday, November 29)
10 CINCINNATI over *Temple
Late Score Forecast:
CINCINNATI 37 - *Temple 21
(Saturday, November 29)
10 *CALIFORNIA over Byu
Late Score Forecast:
*CALIFORNIA 42 - Byu 28
(Saturday, November 29)
10 *MINNESOTA over Carolina
Late Score Forecast:
Thanks Mover!! Happy Thanksgiving!
marc lawrence phone plays
TEXAS & PHILLY
King Creole
Double-Dime Bet
UNDER 48.0 Chicago Bears @ Detroit Lions
*Optimum O/U line : 48 or more points
Double-Dime Bet
OVER 54.5 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES @ DALALS COWBOYS
*Optimum O/U line: 55 or less points - line is 56 1/2
Dime Bet
UNDER 40.0 Seattle Seahawks @ San Francisco 49ers
*Optimum O/U line: 40 or more points
GODFATHER LOCKS (NFL)
Lions
Eagles
49ers
Brandon Lang
60 Dimes - Texas Longhorns +6.5/+7 (buy it up to +7/+7.5) at home over the TCU Horned Frogs
Free play - 2 Team 6 point Teaser on Seattle Seahawks and the UNDER
ROBERT FERRINGO (NFL)
7-Unit play. Play. Take 'Over' 39.5 - Seattle at San Francisco (8:30 p.m.)
Assorted Service plays
BIG MONEY (Top) TX / DET
CAROLINA SPORTS (5,4,3) 4- TX / 4- PHILLY, 3- DET UNDER
DOC'S ENTERPRISES (5,4,3) PASS / 4- SF
DR. BOB (4,3,2,1) 2- LSU
GAMEDAY (5,4,3,2) 2- TX A&M, / 1- SF
HARRY BONDI (5,4,3) 3- TCU / 3- SF
INSIDE INFO (3,2) PASS / PASS
JACK JONES (25,20,15) 20- LSU / 20- DALL, 15- SF
JOE D (25,20,15) 20- TX / PASS
LENNY STEVENS (20,10) 20- TX / 20- PHILLY, 10- CHI, SF
NERI (5,4,3) 3- LSU / 3- DALL OVER
NORTHCOAST (5,4,3) 2- TX UNDER, OP: LSU & TX / 3- SF, OP: DET, DET UNDER
PICK CITY (5,4,3,2) 2- LSU, 1- TX / 2- DALL
POINTWISE (4,3,2) 2- TCU / 3- DET, 2- DALL
PREFERRED PICKS (5,4,3) PASS / 3- PHILLY
PURE LOCK (Top) PASS / SEA
TEXAS SPORTSWIRE (5,4,3) 3- TX / 3- SF
WILDCAT (10,7,5) PASS / 7- SF
ASA 3- TX / 4- SF, 3- DET UNDER
TheSwami group
Michael Trapp top------Detroit
The Blackwell Call----GOM-- over in Seattle game
ATS LockClub
3 Det -7
3 Dal/OVR 55.5
Wolkosky Milan
20* Detroit Lions -7
20* Bears / Lions Over 47
20* San Francisco 49ers -1
Pointwise Phones
3* Detroit
2* Dallas
2* TCU
SPORTS INSURANCE ADJUSTERS:
Free Play: Detroit vs Chicago Over 47
NFL Service Plays
Dallas -3
Dallas vs Eagles Over 55 (buy to this line)
Chicago +7
San Francisco -1
NCAA Basketball Service Plays
Indiana St. +14 vs Illinois
marc lawrence phone plays
TEXAS & PHILLY
King Creole
Double-Dime Bet
UNDER 48.0 Chicago Bears @ Detroit Lions
*Optimum O/U line : 48 or more points
Double-Dime Bet
OVER 54.5 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES @ DALALS COWBOYS
*Optimum O/U line: 55 or less points - line is 56 1/2
Dime Bet
UNDER 40.0 Seattle Seahawks @ San Francisco 49ers
*Optimum O/U line: 40 or more points
GODFATHER LOCKS (NFL)
Lions
Eagles
49ers
Brandon Lang
60 Dimes - Texas Longhorns +6.5/+7 (buy it up to +7/+7.5) at home over the TCU Horned Frogs
Free play - 2 Team 6 point Teaser on Seattle Seahawks and the UNDER
ROBERT FERRINGO (NFL)
7-Unit play. Play. Take 'Over' 39.5 - Seattle at San Francisco (8:30 p.m.)
Assorted Service plays
BIG MONEY (Top) TX / DET
CAROLINA SPORTS (5,4,3) 4- TX / 4- PHILLY, 3- DET UNDER
DOC'S ENTERPRISES (5,4,3) PASS / 4- SF
DR. BOB (4,3,2,1) 2- LSU
GAMEDAY (5,4,3,2) 2- TX A&M, / 1- SF
HARRY BONDI (5,4,3) 3- TCU / 3- SF
INSIDE INFO (3,2) PASS / PASS
JACK JONES (25,20,15) 20- LSU / 20- DALL, 15- SF
JOE D (25,20,15) 20- TX / PASS
LENNY STEVENS (20,10) 20- TX / 20- PHILLY, 10- CHI, SF
NERI (5,4,3) 3- LSU / 3- DALL OVER
NORTHCOAST (5,4,3) 2- TX UNDER, OP: LSU & TX / 3- SF, OP: DET, DET UNDER
PICK CITY (5,4,3,2) 2- LSU, 1- TX / 2- DALL
POINTWISE (4,3,2) 2- TCU / 3- DET, 2- DALL
PREFERRED PICKS (5,4,3) PASS / 3- PHILLY
PURE LOCK (Top) PASS / SEA
TEXAS SPORTSWIRE (5,4,3) 3- TX / 3- SF
WILDCAT (10,7,5) PASS / 7- SF
ASA 3- TX / 4- SF, 3- DET UNDER
TheSwami group
Michael Trapp top------Detroit
The Blackwell Call----GOM-- over in Seattle game
ATS LockClub
3 Det -7
3 Dal/OVR 55.5
Wolkosky Milan
20* Detroit Lions -7
20* Bears / Lions Over 47
20* San Francisco 49ers -1
Pointwise Phones
3* Detroit
2* Dallas
2* TCU
SPORTS INSURANCE ADJUSTERS:
Free Play: Detroit vs Chicago Over 47
NFL Service Plays
Dallas -3
Dallas vs Eagles Over 55 (buy to this line)
Chicago +7
San Francisco -1
NCAA Basketball Service Plays
Indiana St. +14 vs Illinois
Thanks again for posting BW plays, Bill!
Detroit was a pretty easy winner yesterday. Denver is now -1, Washington still holding the fort at +10 and Arizona is down to -1.5 (all lines off Pinny)
Will see how things shake out on Sunday!
Detroit was a pretty easy winner yesterday. Denver is now -1, Washington still holding the fort at +10 and Arizona is down to -1.5 (all lines off Pinny)
Will see how things shake out on Sunday!
BW on V Tech tonight, he played them at +2, it's now -1 Va Tech! :scared I'm staying away, home team needs win for bowl eligible so does UVA!!
Intrastate rivalry!
:scared
Northcoast with opinions
4* (#409) South Carolina +6.5 Clemson Noon
3* (#422) UTEP -3.5 Middle Tennessee 7:00 pm
3* (#412) Fresno St -10 Hawaii 7:00 pm
3* (#414) Colorado +9.5 Utah 1:00 pm
Top Opinions: 76-64-3 on Year 1H?s
(#359) Rutgers +8.5 Maryland 3:30 pm Comp on #3
(#382) New Mexico -4 Wyoming 3 pm Marquee (Inside Info)
(#373) Texas St -14 Georgia St 2 pm Marquee (College 900)
(#428) USC -6.5 Notre Dame 3:30 pm
(#351) Wake Forest +18.5 Duke 7:00 pm
(#391) Georgia Tech +11.5 Georgia Noon
(#403) Florida +7.5 Florida St 3:30 pm
Small College:
3* (#440) Montana -23.5 San Diego 4:00 pm (WE DO NOT HOLD THE LINE FOR SMALL COLLEGES)
COLLEGE PPH?s:
College Marquees - Released Saturday
Early Bird - (Kansas St -27)
Big 10 - Illinois
Pac 12 - UCLA
ACC - Georgia Tech
/ SEC - Florida
AAC - Tulsa
/ CUSA - North Texas
Big 12 - (pass)
/ Indep - USC
/ MW - Air Force
MAC - N Illinois
/ SBC-Ind - Troy
Fri TV Side - Tulsa
/ TV Total - Virginia /Va Tech UNDER
SAT - TV Side - USC / TV Total - S Car/Clem UNDER
Power Plays 4.5H?s - UCLA, Colorado
No Money Lines Big Dogs Up Tomorrow!
Texas +7 (+220)
Utah St +9 (+290)
Northern Illinois +7.5 (+250)
Georgia Tech +13 (+375)
Air Force +7.5 (+250)
Florida +7.5 (+260)
Wake Forest +19.5 (+775)
Colorado +9 (+280)
Rutgers +8.5 (+260)
Troy +10.5 (+340) comp
Illinois +8.5 (+260)
Midweek Touchdown Club:Replaces the Economy Club
CFB NFL
#1 - UTEP -4 #1 - Miami -6 (Monday)
#2 - Illinois +8.5
#2 - UNDER 43 Tenn/Houston NFL play
#3 - USC -7
#4 - Fresno St -11
#5 - Wake Forest +19'
4* (#409) South Carolina +6.5 Clemson Noon
3* (#422) UTEP -3.5 Middle Tennessee 7:00 pm
3* (#412) Fresno St -10 Hawaii 7:00 pm
3* (#414) Colorado +9.5 Utah 1:00 pm
Top Opinions: 76-64-3 on Year 1H?s
(#359) Rutgers +8.5 Maryland 3:30 pm Comp on #3
(#382) New Mexico -4 Wyoming 3 pm Marquee (Inside Info)
(#373) Texas St -14 Georgia St 2 pm Marquee (College 900)
(#428) USC -6.5 Notre Dame 3:30 pm
(#351) Wake Forest +18.5 Duke 7:00 pm
(#391) Georgia Tech +11.5 Georgia Noon
(#403) Florida +7.5 Florida St 3:30 pm
Small College:
3* (#440) Montana -23.5 San Diego 4:00 pm (WE DO NOT HOLD THE LINE FOR SMALL COLLEGES)
COLLEGE PPH?s:
College Marquees - Released Saturday
Early Bird - (Kansas St -27)
Big 10 - Illinois
Pac 12 - UCLA
ACC - Georgia Tech
/ SEC - Florida
AAC - Tulsa
/ CUSA - North Texas
Big 12 - (pass)
/ Indep - USC
/ MW - Air Force
MAC - N Illinois
/ SBC-Ind - Troy
Fri TV Side - Tulsa
/ TV Total - Virginia /Va Tech UNDER
SAT - TV Side - USC / TV Total - S Car/Clem UNDER
Power Plays 4.5H?s - UCLA, Colorado
No Money Lines Big Dogs Up Tomorrow!
Texas +7 (+220)
Utah St +9 (+290)
Northern Illinois +7.5 (+250)
Georgia Tech +13 (+375)
Air Force +7.5 (+250)
Florida +7.5 (+260)
Wake Forest +19.5 (+775)
Colorado +9 (+280)
Rutgers +8.5 (+260)
Troy +10.5 (+340) comp
Illinois +8.5 (+260)
Midweek Touchdown Club:Replaces the Economy Club
CFB NFL
#1 - UTEP -4 #1 - Miami -6 (Monday)
#2 - Illinois +8.5
#2 - UNDER 43 Tenn/Houston NFL play
#3 - USC -7
#4 - Fresno St -11
#5 - Wake Forest +19'
Computer Group
Billy Walters
1 unit - Cleveland Over
MARC LAWRENCE
Play - Jacksonville.
Edges - Jaguars: 6-1 ATS home after scoring 7 or less points last game; and 4-1 ATS in this series. Giants: 0-7 ATS versus AFC South opponents off a SU loss; and 0-5 ATS away versus opponent with single revenge-exact. With the Giants off a heartbreaking loss to the Cowboys and just 0-7 ATS in their 6th away game of season versus non-division opponent, we recommend a 1-unit play on Jacksonville. Thank you and good luck as always.
HiLTON CONTEST / WK 13
Top two contestants
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(45-15): Baltimore / Tampa / St Louis / New Orleans / Atlanta
(43-17): Washington / Houston / Buffalo / Baltimore / Atlanta
ROBERT FERRINGO (NFL)
2* Pittsburgh Steelers
2* NE Pats vs GB Packers ? Under
2* NO Saints vs Pittsburgh ? Under
King Creole: His highest rated play
5* PITT 'OVER
ATS LOCK CLUB
10 Cincinnati -3.5 (Their highest rated play)
5 Pittsburgh -4
5 New England +3
Steve Budin
50 DIME
FOOTBALL WINNER # 15 OF 16
Home Mismatch of the Year
Pittsburgh
Wolkosky Milan "Fuzzy foreigner".
20* Redskins / Colts Over 50
20* Browns / Bills Under 42
20* Bengals / Buccaneers Under 45
20* Raiders / Rams Under 42?
20* Carolina Panthers +3
20* Atlanta Falcons +1?
20* Patriots / Packers Under 58
Easy Money Sports These guys are hitting at 42% this year
Lee's Free Early Sunday Selection
Minnesota -3?
Billy Walters
1 unit - Cleveland Over
MARC LAWRENCE
Play - Jacksonville.
Edges - Jaguars: 6-1 ATS home after scoring 7 or less points last game; and 4-1 ATS in this series. Giants: 0-7 ATS versus AFC South opponents off a SU loss; and 0-5 ATS away versus opponent with single revenge-exact. With the Giants off a heartbreaking loss to the Cowboys and just 0-7 ATS in their 6th away game of season versus non-division opponent, we recommend a 1-unit play on Jacksonville. Thank you and good luck as always.
HiLTON CONTEST / WK 13
Top two contestants
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(45-15): Baltimore / Tampa / St Louis / New Orleans / Atlanta
(43-17): Washington / Houston / Buffalo / Baltimore / Atlanta
ROBERT FERRINGO (NFL)
2* Pittsburgh Steelers
2* NE Pats vs GB Packers ? Under
2* NO Saints vs Pittsburgh ? Under
King Creole: His highest rated play
5* PITT 'OVER
ATS LOCK CLUB
10 Cincinnati -3.5 (Their highest rated play)
5 Pittsburgh -4
5 New England +3
Steve Budin
50 DIME
FOOTBALL WINNER # 15 OF 16
Home Mismatch of the Year
Pittsburgh
Wolkosky Milan "Fuzzy foreigner".
20* Redskins / Colts Over 50
20* Browns / Bills Under 42
20* Bengals / Buccaneers Under 45
20* Raiders / Rams Under 42?
20* Carolina Panthers +3
20* Atlanta Falcons +1?
20* Patriots / Packers Under 58
Easy Money Sports These guys are hitting at 42% this year
Lee's Free Early Sunday Selection
Minnesota -3?
MADDUX SPORTS (NFL)
Jacksonville +3 (10*)
Tampa Bay +3.5 (10*)
Carolina +3 (10*)
NO Saints + 5 (10*)
Saints/Pittsburgh ? Over 54 (10*)
Carolina/Minnesota ? Under 42.5 (10* )
Atlanta Falcons+1.5 (10* )
Jacksonville +3 (10*)
Tampa Bay +3.5 (10*)
Carolina +3 (10*)
NO Saints + 5 (10*)
Saints/Pittsburgh ? Over 54 (10*)
Carolina/Minnesota ? Under 42.5 (10* )
Atlanta Falcons+1.5 (10* )
GREY CUP INFO
GREY CUP INFO
StatFox Super Situations ? FoxSheets
CFL | HAMILTON at CALGARY
Play Against ? Home favorites of 3.5 to 10 points (CALGARY) off a home win over a division rival, with a winning record on the season
36-9 since 1997. ( 80.0% | 26.1 units )
1-0 this year. ( 100.0% | 1.0 units )
CFL | HAMILTON at CALGARY
Play Against ? Any team vs the money line (CALGARY) after covering the spread in 3 out of their last 4 games, with a winning record in the second half of the season
36-17 over the last 5 seasons. ( 67.9% | 0.0 units )
6-4 this year. ( 60.0% | 0.0 units )
CFL | HAMILTON at CALGARY
Play Against ? Any team vs the the 1rst half line (CALGARY) after covering the spread in 3 out of their last 4 games, with a winning record in the second half of the season
39-13 over the last 5 seasons. ( 75.0% | 24.7 units )
7-3 this year. ( 70.0% | 3.7 units )
GREY CUP INFO
StatFox Super Situations ? FoxSheets
CFL | HAMILTON at CALGARY
Play Against ? Home favorites of 3.5 to 10 points (CALGARY) off a home win over a division rival, with a winning record on the season
36-9 since 1997. ( 80.0% | 26.1 units )
1-0 this year. ( 100.0% | 1.0 units )
CFL | HAMILTON at CALGARY
Play Against ? Any team vs the money line (CALGARY) after covering the spread in 3 out of their last 4 games, with a winning record in the second half of the season
36-17 over the last 5 seasons. ( 67.9% | 0.0 units )
6-4 this year. ( 60.0% | 0.0 units )
CFL | HAMILTON at CALGARY
Play Against ? Any team vs the the 1rst half line (CALGARY) after covering the spread in 3 out of their last 4 games, with a winning record in the second half of the season
39-13 over the last 5 seasons. ( 75.0% | 24.7 units )
7-3 this year. ( 70.0% | 3.7 units )
Scott " bulldog " rickenback
10* top total play
tampa bay over
Pointwise Phones
4* N.Y. Giants
4* Arizona
3* Baltimore
3* Pittsburgh
2* Over in Pitt/New Orleans
10* top total play
tampa bay over
Pointwise Phones
4* N.Y. Giants
4* Arizona
3* Baltimore
3* Pittsburgh
2* Over in Pitt/New Orleans
football jesus free pick : Packers
bookiemonsters
POD OAK +7
MGs
BUF -3
PIT -4
PIT over 54
PODS 91-49 run
bookiemonsters
POD OAK +7
MGs
BUF -3
PIT -4
PIT over 54
PODS 91-49 run
Craig Davis
2nd Ever
150 DIME
NFL Play of My Career
Sunday Night Bailout of the Year
Kansas City
Northcoast with opinions
Sunday, November 30th
NFL SUNDAY:
3.5* Baltimore -6.5 San Diego 1 pm
3* Carolina +2.5 Minnesota 1 pm
3* UNDER 45 Arizona/Atlanta 4:05 pm
Top Opinions:
New England +3 Green Bay - NC Sports Comp Pro Play
OVER 49 - Denver/KC NBC Marquee
Indianapolis -8 Washington
Cleveland +3 Buffalo - Dog
Reg Opinions:
Pittsburgh -3.5 New Orleans - Chalk
Sunday, November 30th
NFL SUNDAY:
3.5* Baltimore -6.5 San Diego 1 pm
3* Carolina +2.5 Minnesota 1 pm
3* UNDER 45 Arizona/Atlanta 4:05 pm
Top Opinions:
New England +3 Green Bay - NC Sports Comp Pro Play
OVER 49 - Denver/KC NBC Marquee
Indianapolis -8 Washington
Cleveland +3 Buffalo - Dog
Reg Opinions:
Pittsburgh -3.5 New Orleans - Chalk
BW goes 2-2 in NFL and 4-3 in CFB!! Small profit on equal unit management, grading these at 11/10, 6-5 overall, +.50 unit for him.
When you see "Computer Plays - Billy Walters", some schmuck is using his name for prestige to put out plays to get clients, that's not the real Billy Walters that puts out the plays. He stays anonymous for the most part and has a long list of runners for him to keep Vegas on edge.
One key point folks can make in watching lines, if a college football line moves more than 3 pts within 2-3 days of opening, more times than naught it was a large money move by someone Vegas fears, so the line keeps moving in that direction, for instance, say a total opens at 59 (UTEP/MT on Saturday) and move downs to 52, it's more than just weather moving that line down, it's people keep pounding the "UNDER", which Billy contributes because people that find out what he played, follow and keep unloading on that TOTAL or SIDE, many times they win and many times they will lose and sometimes they middle those lines because they know the ending number on that total or side might be between that opening and closing number, we call it a "middle". It doesn't happen all that much, the "middle" that is.
My contact told me yesterday that money came in heavy on Missouri before the posted number of -13 on Alabama that we got to see on the line service I utilize and that Ohio State money came in at +4 moving line to +3 but over 60% of public is on Wisconsin.
We'll see what happens this week!!
GL
:0008
Thanks for your insight, Bill.
Arizona let me down big time yesterday, I had all the other teams correct in a pick'em pool and will be looking at a 5-figure payout tomorrow (after tonight's game), if the Cards showed up for that game.
I know injuries are part of the game and they lost Mathieu and Ellington but Stanton couldn't move the ball or do anything until late in the game.
Oh well, you win some and you lose some. Thanks again and please continue posting BW plays, if and when you do come across them.
Arizona let me down big time yesterday, I had all the other teams correct in a pick'em pool and will be looking at a 5-figure payout tomorrow (after tonight's game), if the Cards showed up for that game.
I know injuries are part of the game and they lost Mathieu and Ellington but Stanton couldn't move the ball or do anything until late in the game.
Oh well, you win some and you lose some. Thanks again and please continue posting BW plays, if and when you do come across them.