Governor of Illinois arrested on corruption charges!

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Obama doesn't just 'fit in' here, he's at the very center of it! Obviously! Even Weasie sees it!

And of course Obama will pardon him. That's obvious.

It's a regular think tank around here.

Have you guys been right about anything?

A 'stormy 4 years.' Now THAT'S funny after the 8 we just had.

why cut the investigation off when there are so many more fish in the sea?....

it`s pretty obvious....if this thing were left to run it`s course,who really knows who gets their ass caught in the wringer...

this is no different than anything else...william jefferson gets caught with payoff loot in his refrigerator,what,3 years ago?....

he stayed in congress and hasn`t even gone to trial...

ted stevens` shit hits the fan and he`S prosecuted promptly(right before the election..lol).....

jefferson wins one election after the fact and then gets voted out in the following election...he stayed in congress AND HASN`T EVEN GONE TO TRIAL!,,,

the old double standard...

if this guy`s such an unbiased,hardcore wAtchdog,why not be patient and ensnare as many crooks as possible?....

why did obama`s choice for the seat(ms. jarrett) withdraw just a few days before the shit hit the fan?...

you`re so f-cking naive...and willfully blind...

this guy fitzgerald`s covering his own ass so he doesn`t hit the pavement after the obama crew takes the reins...
 
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why cut the investigation off when there are so many more fish in the sea?....

it`s pretty obvious....if this thing were left to run it`s course,who really knows who gets their ass caught in the wringer...

this is no different than anything else...william jefferson gets caught with payoff loot in his refrigerator,what,3 years ago?....

he stayed in congress and hasn`t even gone to trial...

ted stevens` shit hits the fan and he`S prosecuted promptly(right before the election..lol).....

jefferson wins one election after the fact and then gets voted out in the following election...he stayed in congress AND HASN`T EVEN GONE TO TRIAL!,,,

the old double standard...

if this guy`s such an unbiased,hardcore wAtchdog,why not be patient and ensnare as many crooks as possible?....

why did obama`s choice for the seat(ms. jarrett) withdraw just a few days before the shit hit the fan?...

you`re so f-cking naive...and willfully blind...

this guy fitzgerald`s covering his own ass so he doesn`t hit the pavement after the obama crew takes the reins...

So you see this as a conspiracy? Better look out for the conspiracy police.
 

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i haven't decided if this guy is arrogant or stupid....i'll let you all know when i decide what he is....lol...
 

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So you see this as a conspiracy? Better look out for the conspiracy police.

no...i`m asking logical questions....any onjective prosecutor worth his salt is gonna see how many fish he can catch....

that`s what this jackass with the god complex did in the plame matter....he went after rove/cheney....everybody(except the guy who leaked plame`s info,dick armitage....that was because he was colin powell`s lackey...not part of the inner circle of the bush adm.)........

this guy fitzaptrick is protecting somebody....or something...

why go apeshit in one investigation and cut another short?.....just when the big fish were within reach?...

politics?...job security?...who knows what.....

i`d like to know why the investigation wasn`t allowed to play out so we could see who "paid" for the senate seat...

and isn`t it funny that nobody in the media is smart enough to ask this obvious question?...

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from what I'm hearing of local various talking heads...

The Feds got their "inside guy" and 1st wired him(and possibly Blago's house etc) beginning of Oct. They then made their move now ONLY because of the possible tainting of the Senate appointment. They felt they couldn't let things go any farther. Many now are flooding the Feds office with all kinds of info and co operation. Seems Blago and his tactics had many standing down. Now that the Feds kicked down the door, support against Blago is coming out of the woodwork. They can amend any indictments as much as they want as they go alone.

Blago is in a world of shit.

The Illionois union thing is really all that ties OB to any of this right now. And that's week at best.

I can only hope this is making Daley and his crew strain a bit when they take a dump. All you guys here about what Blago has done is NOTHING NOTHING to what Daley has done and will do.

A few "more open" situations you can look into about this fuk strong arm Daley....

MIG's field
the whole O'Hare continuing debacle
Mandatory rod iron fencing for all business's
special taxes for restaurants, flights, cell phone usage, and beverages ONLY IN the City of Chicago
Bars around ballparks have to stop serving alcohol in the seventh inning
stop signs and speed bumps all over the city
massive increases on already high parking fees

just to name a few off the top of my head

Daley and his crew benifit monetarily from all these things
 

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from what I'm hearing of local various talking heads...

The Feds got their "inside guy" and 1st wired him(and possibly Blago's house etc) beginning of Oct. They then made their move now ONLY because of the possible tainting of the Senate appointment. They felt they couldn't let things go any farther.

it`s not a federal prosecutor`s job to worry about "tainting" a senate appointment....`

a prosecutor makes that call?...based on what?...

if somebody`s crooked enough to literally "pay" for a senate seat,isn`t it in the "people`s" interest to know who that is?...

wtf does a prosecutor care about tainting a senate appt?...unless it`s a senate appt in the "president elects" backyard and may have repercussions on the new administartion.....

or not....

but it`s his job to shine the light of day on all the roaches...

he sure didn`t give a shit about trying to "taint" the wh in the bullshit plame investigation...

not to mention that fact that by making the investigation public now,that no money has changed hands.....

what do they have?...some phone calls?....a potential conspiracy case?...

something`s funny here...
 

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Al- Gardenweasel has been around for quite a while. I think we all know the answer is 'both.'

:142smilie :mj07:

now matt....you know i wasn't talking about gw....

& btw he is one of my favorite posters here...as you are also...
 

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and quit with the "preening" already....

/and the self important smuggery...

So is this what happens in your bunker?

You respond to something, sit there steaming for a few minutes, pump yourself up by listening to a few tunes off of Def Leppards 'Paranoia' album, maybe hit your head against the wall a few times, think of another brilliant rejoinder to the same thing you had just responded to 15 minutes ago, race to the computer, replace the 6 keys that you dislodged while pounding out your last idiotic stream of consciousness rant, then proceed?

Close?
 

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it`s not a federal prosecutor`s job to worry about "tainting" a senate appointment....`

a prosecutor makes that call?...based on what?...

if somebody`s crooked enough to literally "pay" for a senate seat,isn`t it in the "people`s" interest to know who that is?...

wtf does a prosecutor care about tainting a senate appt?...unless it`s a senate appt in the "president elects" backyard and may have repercussions on the new administartion.....

or not....

but it`s his job to shine the light of day on all the roaches...

he sure didn`t give a shit about trying to "taint" the wh in the bullshit plame investigation...

not to mention that fact that by making the investigation public now,that no money has changed hands.....

what do they have?...some phone calls?....a potential conspiracy case?...

something`s funny here...

I think each Federal Prosecutor/DA whatever has his own territory. This Fitzgerald guy is the real deal. Maybe do a google search on him. He's a pit bull that has come after some big time big money people and come away with great success. I am confident he had his reasons for sitting on this for 5 years, only to come out now.
 

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I think each Federal Prosecutor/DA whatever has his own territory. This Fitzgerald guy is the real deal. Maybe do a google search on him. He's a pit bull that has come after some big time big money people and come away with great success. I am confident he had his reasons for sitting on this for 5 years, only to come out now.

that`s not answering my question,i.o......you may love the guy....but it`s not his job to cut the investigation short to ptotect criminals because he feels like it.....or HE feels like it serves some higher purpose....

he`s a prosecutor...not "the protector of obama`s senate seat"...
 
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no...i`m asking logical questions....any onjective prosecutor worth his salt is gonna see how many fish he can catch....

that`s what this jackass with the god complex did in the plame matter....he went after rove/cheney....everybody(except the guy who leaked plame`s info,dick armitage....that was because he was colin powell`s lackey...not part of the inner circle of the bush adm.)........

this guy fitzaptrick is protecting somebody....or something...

why go apeshit in one investigation and cut another short?.....just when the big fish were within reach?...

politics?...job security?...who knows what.....

i`d like to know why the investigation wasn`t allowed to play out so we could see who "paid" for the senate seat...

and isn`t it funny that nobody in the media is smart enough to ask this obvious question?...

lol

I dunno....this seems to meet all the criteria of what you call a conspiracy. :shrug: But as we know they never happen!:kiss:
 

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So is this what happens in your bunker?

You respond to something, sit there steaming for a few minutes, pump yourself up by listening to a few tunes off of Def Leppards 'Paranoia' album, maybe hit your head against the wall a few times, think of another brilliant rejoinder to the same thing you had just responded to 15 minutes ago, race to the computer, replace the 6 keys that you dislodged while pounding out your last idiotic stream of consciousness rant, then proceed?

Close?

as for you...oh brother.....i`ve been waiting for a post with some substantive information or debatable factual analysis(but,i`d have a better chance of sticking a bowling ball up a fish`s ass)....

i could make some popcorn....ALOT of popcorn waiting for that to happen...

don`t stroke your ego to much,pal...

:lol:
 

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as for you...oh brother.....i`ve been waiting for a post with some substantive information or debatable factual analysis(but,i`d have a better chance of sticking a bowling ball up a fish`s ass)....

i could make some popcorn....ALOT of popcorn waiting for that to happen...

don`t stroke your ego to much,pal...

:lol:

Ok, we can start with this 'invesigation was cut short' business. By whose criteria? Yours?

You keep repeating this like it's a fact. How long should it have continued? What could possibly have satisfied you?

The idea that the investigation was cut short to somehow protect Obama is ridiculous.

Judging by the transcripts of some of the taped phone calls of Blago, Obama wasn't exactly his favorite person.

Do you think Blago would/will go down alone silently if he has anything on Obama? We'll know soon enough, I guess, but flinging wild conspiracy crap out there with no evidence or logic whatsoever makes you as bad as the truthers.
 

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Ok, we can start with this 'invesigation was cut short' business. By whose criteria? Yours?

You keep repeating this like it's a fact. How long should it have continued? What could possibly have satisfied you?

The idea that the investigation was cut short to somehow protect Obama is ridiculous.

Judging by the transcripts of some of the taped phone calls of Blago, Obama wasn't exactly his favorite person.

Do you think Blago would/will go down alone silently if he has anything on Obama? We'll know soon enough, I guess, but flinging wild conspiracy crap out there with no evidence or logic whatsoever makes you as bad as the truthers.

thanks for abandoning your post as trained "lil` ankle biter doggie" and actually going back and reading an article...

i didn`t say to protect obama..i don`t know why you abandon an investigation just when the oil is getting hot....that`s my question...

..i speculated that maybe it was to protect someone within his pending administration....like the jarrett woman......or someone of note inside the chicago political power base...like jesse jackson,jr...

i.o. quoted an article that indicated that the prosecutor cut the investigation so as to not "taint" the senate seat in question...

not a shot at i.o.,but if that were the case,he should be fired immediately...

his job is to take the ball as far as possible...

i.o...where did you see the "5 year investigation" thing?......cause i was wondering if this might not be happening as a result of rezko singing like a bird....

and why stop now if this went on for 5 years?....with so much more to learn?...

because they don`t want to "taint" obama`s inauguration?...

why wouldn`t a federal prosecutor want to know who`s willing to "buy" a senate seat?....and shouldn`t that person feel the full weight of the law?...

legit questions,imo....

btw...why so much corruption in chicago?...it wasn`t planted there by some devilisjh force....it`s a result of how the chicago political society/machine functions.....

draw your own conclusions...
 

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This is a pretty good explanation of why they had to make these arrests now. No way the Tribune was going to hold back forever. Nor should they have been expected to.

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Chicago Tribune withheld publishing at U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald's request

Get the latest on the Blagojevich case
By James Janega | Tribune reporter

December 10, 2008

As the federal probe into Gov. Rod Blagojevich intensified in recent weeks, editors and reporters at the Chicago Tribune balanced a competitive story with a rare request from U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald's office: To hold off on what they uncovered until a key phase in the investigation could be carried out.

Except in unusual circumstances, newspapers rarely comply with such requests because journalists typically try to steer clear of doing anything that can be seen as working with the governmental agencies they cover.

"It's very important for news organizations to remain independent from law enforcement. Independence is the key to journalistic integrity. When you enter into agreements or partnerships, you find your independence compromised," said Kelly McBride, media ethicist at the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Fla. "If we are too cozy with law enforcement, we will have no credibility when we question law enforcement, in the eyes of the public."

Since October, the Tribune has broken several stories on the Blagojevich probe, but in some cases withheld information because of the government's request.


Conversations began when Tribune reporters investigating allegations of misconduct involving Blagojevich uncovered certain aspects of the U.S. attorney's criminal probe, said Tribune editor Gerould Kern.

"Our reporters contact individuals involved in these stories for confirmation and comment prior to publication. Consequently, we contacted the U.S. attorney's office in the course of our reporting," Kern said in a statement.

"On occasion, prosecutors asked us to delay publication of stories, asserting that disclosure would jeopardize the criminal investigation. In isolated instances, we granted the requests, but other requests were refused," Kern said.

In a news conference Tuesday, Fitzgerald said Tribune reporters called his office for comment on a story about part of the probe eight weeks ago, prompting prosecutors to ask the paper not to publish some elements of the story.

"We thought we'd never have the opportunity to install the bug or place the telephone tap and we made an urgent request for the Tribune not to publish that story," Fitzgerald said. "That is a very rare thing for us to do and it's an even rarer thing for a newspaper to grant.

"I have to take my hat off that the Tribune withheld that story for a substantial period of time, which otherwise might have compromised the investigation from ever happening," he said.

jjanega@tribune.com
 

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Pressure on Blagojevich

December 10, 2008

Here are excerpts from Chicago Tribune editorials on Gov. Rod Blagojevich:

Oct. 28, 2007: Should Rod Blagojevich remain as governor of Illinois?

He shows no inclination to resign from office. And while the state constitution does allow for his impeachment by the Illinois House and trial by the Senate, it's doubtful legislators could bring themselves to such drastic action. So the realistic question becomes this: Given the multiple ineptitudes of Rod Blagojevich?his reckless financial stewardship, his dictatorial antics, his penchant for creating political enemies?should citizens create a new way to terminate a chief executive who won't, or can't, do his job?

That is, should Illinois join the 18 states that give voters?as opposed to lawmakers?the ballot power to remove state officials from office?



The Blagojevich experience suggests that the answer is yes, Illinois should write a recall mechanism into its constitution. Having endured the Blagojevich era, we believe voters never should have to endure another one like it. They instead should have the power to recall an inept governor. . . .

The bill of particulars against Rod Blagojevich is numbingly familiar. His is a legacy of federal and state investigations of alleged cronyism and corruption in the steering of pension fund investments to political donors, in the subversion of state hiring laws, in the awarding of state contracts, in matters as personal as that mysterious $1,500 check made out to the governor's then-7-year-old daughter by a friend whose wife had been awarded a state job. . . . Blagojevich is an intentionally divisive governor and a profoundly unhelpful influence. . . . He is the governor who cannot govern.

June 5, 2008: The Justice Department's prosecution of Antoin "Tony" Rezko was always about prelude, never about climax. The jury's conviction of Rezko Wednesday [June 4] on 16 criminal counts is one more point on a long investigative arc?an arc now pointed directly at Gov. Rod Blagojevich and other of his associates.

June 15, 2008: This page has strongly supported adding a recall provision to the state constitution. If voters had agreed, we then would have urged them to recall Blagojevich.

We do not, though, advocate his impeachment and trial at this time. Why so?

Federal investigators and prosecutors are aggressively exploring whether anyone at the highest level of state government broke corruption laws. We trust that this scrutiny will unearth which crimes, if any, demand consequences in the courts and the Federal Bureau of Prisons?as it already has for Blagojevich fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

Sept. 29, 2008: Earlier this year, this page strongly supported a movement to give voters the chance, through a constitutional amendment, to recall public officials. We said at the time that impeachment of the governor shouldn't be pursued. But this court ruling on his health-care gamble gives reason to revisit that.

Democratic Rep. Jack Franks has encouraged House Speaker Michael Madigan to convene a committee to investigate if articles of impeachment are warranted. That seems like a sound idea.

That's not a call for impeachment. That's a call for the House to investigate.

Nov. 6, 2008: We know that urging Rod Blagojevich to do the thing right, an act devoid of self-interest, is asking a lot. But the state of Illinois is about to lose its junior U.S. senator. He's resigning to accept another opportunity. The governor will appoint a replacement to do the senator's job for the next two years. . . . If the governor uses this pick to reward an ally or a flunky, that miserable unfortunate will spend two years riding alongside Blagojevich on the down escalator of public opinion. There's no political future in being marked as Li'l Rod.

Dec. 7, 2008: You used to be a regular at our editorial board. But you haven't been here since March 8, 2007. We remember your pledge that day to return and to speak with us about the federal investigation. After that meeting concluded, you sidestepped a question about whether you had been interviewed by federal authorities since 2005, saying you weren't at the meeting to discuss those matters but would set up a time to do so later.

"I'm happy to make an appointment, talk to you guys about that," you said that day. "But I feel real good about all the different things that we do because we follow the rules and we do things right and at the end of the day, as they say in the Bible, the truth shall set you free. The truth is what it is. And the truth is we do things right."

Governor, let's make that appointment. Your press staffers can contact us, and we'll certainly be reaching out to them. . . .

Governor, let's talk.
 

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"Since October, the Tribune has broken several stories on the Blagojevich probe, but in some cases withheld information because of the government's request."


this whole thing makes no sense....

1)they`ve been publishing stories about this since october?

2)the investigation has been ongoing for over 5 years(dating back to 2002) and they just decided to wire tap this a-hole after the tribune started printing stories in october?...

this governor,knowing he was being investigated still had these damning conversations after the fact?...from his offices?...

3)the tribune(who is a part of the complaint regarding the request "guv blog" made to fire the editorial board) are the very same ones that turned up info on this guy`s activities?...and put pressure on the prosecutor to "step on it"?....

what did they have that hadn`t already printed?....the wire tap?....how the hell would they get that info?......hell,they already alerted the whole state that the guy was under investigation....

wtf?.......now jesse jackson jr.lawyer`s up and is holding a press conference?....

so,i guess that this yo-yo offered this seat for sale to some of the 5 candidates but not all?....

jackson discussed the seat with gov. blog but HE got no offer?.......yeah right...

sounds like an elaborate crock of shit...with the newspaper knee deep and looking for some payback on the governor....scumbag that he is....

is illinois a foreign country?...sounds like it..
 
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