Halladay to Phillies/Lee to Mariners/Lackey to Red Sox
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Phillies traded Lee because Lee would NOT negotiate on a contract extension. Lee wants to "test" the Free Agent market, in other words CASH IN! The Phillies are currently negotiation with Roy and his agent for a multi-year deal. If the deal gets worked out this is a HUGE W for the Phillies. Not to mention Roy has been top 3 starter over the past 5 seasons!!!
This might be true, but in the long term, what they've given up is worth way much more than what's coming in.
I'm a big Halladay fan, personally I think he's a top 3 pitcher in the league, but Phillies fans will eventually feel the effects.
Philly finally got their man! Doc should do well in Philly. Think Lee will be back to an average pitcher in Seattle. Lackey seems consistent no matter where he pitches. Phillies got the best end of this deal...then Red Sox...then Mariners.
Who did Anaheim and Toronto get??? Players to be named later??
Who did Anaheim and Toronto get??? Players to be named later??
The Phillies gave up 2nd tier prospects to get Lee, now they gave up Lee to get Roy. Not sure what you mean here. If the Phils sign Roy for multi-year deal than this deal is a steal!!!
They gave up an underrated and underapreciated JA Happ. Dominic Brown is their best hitting prospect. And, they lose the LHP favorability they had over the Dodgers. IMO, the Dodgers are now the best team in the NL.
What's being entirely lost in this trade is the LHP matchups that the Phillies had and could neutralize alot of the LHB in the league. They have lost their 2 best, and who knows how Hamels is going to bounce back??
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Halladay will dominate the NL, especially early in the season. Sabathia went from Cle to Mil and dominated, Lee went from Cle to Philly and dominated, the same will hold true for Halladay.
The one thing I dont like about the trade is giving up such a great LHP in Lee for another RHP but if Hamels can ever return to form this is a great 1-2 punch.
The one thing I dont like about the trade is giving up such a great LHP in Lee for another RHP but if Hamels can ever return to form this is a great 1-2 punch.
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surprised you would say that..given the moves both confirmed and pending..
given that..
214 1/3?Innings supplied by left-hander Randy Wolf in 2009, a team high. The Dodgers will have to find somebody to absorb Wolf's output after the left-hander signed a three-year, $29.75 million deal with the Brewers. It will be no easy task since the left-hander had a 3.23 ERA.
The Phillies acquired Halladay on Monday in a deal that sent Cliff Lee(notes), the July acquisition that helped them to a second straight World Series appearance, to the Seattle Mariners. The Mariners and Phillies sent prospects to the Toronto Blue Jays, the team that held onto Halladay in July despite a strong overture from the Phillies.
The 32-year-old Halladay is the most prized pitcher on the trade market. A six-time All-Star and the 2003 AL Cy Young Award winner, the right-hander went 17-10 with a 2.79 ERA for the Blue Jays last season. He led the majors with four shutouts and nine complete games while throwing 239 innings, second to Detroit?s Justin Verlander(notes) (240).
Los Angeles didn?t make any noise at the winter meetings and still has gaping holes in its rotation and at second base.
The Bums lose an inning eater and better than avg. starter and the Phil's add at least the 3rd best pitcher in baseball..
Buc's you see something I don't see..
The Phillies are still going to win alot of games. Roy Halladay is a great pitcher, you won't see me deny that. However, there's more to trades then just what you see in talent alone. They lose almost their entire advantage they have with LHP/LHB matchups.
Also, I think Chad Billingsley is going to be a damn good pitcher. He got hurt and never really bounced back. Billingsley and Kershaw make a nice 1-2 punch, along with Elbert stepping up and of course Kuroda. We already know LAD have the better bullpen, and their young hitters are only going to get better.
I just think matchups wise, the Phillies lost their advantage. Not just against LAD, but other potential playoff teams.
I think most of us here in Seattle are pretty ecstatic with the deal. I've always loved Cliff Lee. Obviously just my opinion, but there are very few pitchers I would rather have than Lee.
However, that's not why people are so excited. It's being reported that the only thing the M's had to give up was Aumont and Gillies. Personally, I don't think that's possible. Lee is just way too good for us to only have to give up those two. Aumont is a fairly highly regarded pitcher in AA, but he's had hip problems. He was going to be a starter for us, but got moved to the pen. He should be a pretty good major leaguer, but most people have him pegged as a setup man at this point. Gillies is only in A ball, but he's a speedy, slap hitter type of player. M's have a glut of players in the outfield, so he wasn't going to get a shot for quite a while anyway.
I'd bet anything that there is a 3rd M's prospect going in the deal. Like I said, Aumont and Gillies just wouldn't be enough for Lee. I've heard that even if there is a 3rd prospect going, it wouldn't be Saunders or Morrow (two of the M's best prospects). I just hope Truinfel isn't the third player, if there is one. He's going to be a stud.
Oh, and as for Lee and his contract, if we can't resign him after this year, it's not a big deal. We would get the 2 first round compensation picks if we lose him. Or, we could trade him before the trading deadline.
I'm obviously looking at this from an M's fan's perspective, but this looks like a huge get for us.
It looks like the 3rd player to move for the M's would be JC Ramirez. So they are potentially getting Cliff Lee without having to give up Morrow, Saunders or Truinfel. Amazing. It's nice to have a competent GM in Seattle these days...
They extend Roy but not really a steal.
they got Aumont Gilles and Juan Ramirez for Cliff Lee. If they were really trying to win this year why not keep Lee and take the draft picks?
I like Aumont and Gilles but neither is a sure thing, and A Lee Halladay Hamels three is unbeatable. If they were concerned with saving money they could have dealt Blanton.
Also they gave up three of the four prospects in the system. Halladay was going to cost that much but still losing Drabek may hurt them soon. There is not much rotation help at upper levels of minors.
The move I do not understand the most is toronto moving Taylor for Brett Wallace. Wallace does not have to glove to play third and may be questionable at best at first. Why not keep Taylor or move him for a better player. Beane got the better deal in that one.
They did make out the best.
I am an orioles fan so glad you guys got a little back after the disaster Bavasi Bedard for Jones Sherrill Tillman Butler Mickolio deal.
I agree...the trading of Cliff Lee just doesn't make sense to me. They would've gotten more/better with the 2 compensation picks...
I don't like seeing DOC in the NL East.
I'm a bit bias, but I still think my Braves have a better pitching staff(as a whole).
We just have nothing as far as hitting
They sure are investing alot in Heyward and Schafer coming through this year. I know Heyward's a super hitting prospect, and he reminds me of a Derek Lee with speed, but he might not be enough LOL
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That deal still makes me fucking vomit. I told everyone before that deal that I wouldnt trade Jones for Bedard. Fucking Bavasi. At least it got his dumb ass fired.
One part of this deal for the Phillies , which I think is brilliant , and I have not heard espn or anyone address is that we got the best pitcher in baseball away from the Mets and Lee is now back in the American league, so the phils wont have to battle against either one. Would have loved to see them have both Lee and Halliday, according to phils they would have depleted their future prospects. Apparently, they are confident in what they picked up from Seattle, with only one year left on his deal, and Lee seeking Yankees' type money, they got some solid prospects for him and again kept both pitchers off of their competitors rosters. :toast:
this deal was dumb they should kept lee to for at least the year then they would have had a great chance of bringing the trophy back.........they still need pitching(MAYBE GOOD OLE PETIE) like Krukie said what could Halladay do in the playoffs that lee didn't .............dumb dumb dumb if you ask me
