Hussein Obamas' pastor "Blacks should not sing "'God Bless America'"
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I heard an interesting perspective on the black church thing - rabid, as Wayne calls it - which gave me something to think about. For years in this country, the church was really the only outlet for many emotions in the black community. They were not allowed a role in politics or government, scarcely allowed a place in any kind of "respectable" society, and the only place where they could openly speak their mind and speak out against repression was in the church. No doubt that molded the concepts of many along the way - most, probably - and it continues to be that way in many cases.
Of course, there remain many non-blacks in this country that still harbor the same outlook of black America that was acceptable for most "back in the day." Blacks in general are still looked down on by many - and yet those same people find fault with the anger and words that come from this pastor, and others like him. Change only need come to some, evidently.
Have things changed for our society since the baptism of many to the angry fire and brimstone days of the black church? Yes, in many ways. Do they need to evolve, too? Yes, they do. And Obama is saying that - he's challenging both blacks and whites to evaluate themselves, which is new, and the first real step in change. Much like Bill Cosby who spoke out against the thug culture. It takes a select few to affect change. And who better than a man who could actually become President and lead all groups of people?
Just a thought.
Of course, there remain many non-blacks in this country that still harbor the same outlook of black America that was acceptable for most "back in the day." Blacks in general are still looked down on by many - and yet those same people find fault with the anger and words that come from this pastor, and others like him. Change only need come to some, evidently.
Have things changed for our society since the baptism of many to the angry fire and brimstone days of the black church? Yes, in many ways. Do they need to evolve, too? Yes, they do. And Obama is saying that - he's challenging both blacks and whites to evaluate themselves, which is new, and the first real step in change. Much like Bill Cosby who spoke out against the thug culture. It takes a select few to affect change. And who better than a man who could actually become President and lead all groups of people?
Just a thought.
I disagree Chad---and comparison to him and Crosby or MLK for that matter is 180 degrees--both stand for independence and standing on own 2 feet--its up to you attitude. Do you think either would have sat for 20 years in a pew listening to just the opposite--
---and you might want to go back through bama's voting records on affirmative action--then listen to his speech yesterday. Actions speak louder than words.
Smurph I'm trying to decide which you be more enthusiastic in--one of wrights sermons or an Obama caucus on hope.Any lean?
DJV Heres latest concensus of polls-do you see a trend--
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
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Agree to disagree. I reviewed MLK's I Have a Dream speech just now, and it seems pretty similar in many ways to Obama's comments on race. I don't presume to know what Cosby or MLK thought when they sat in whatever church their parents took them to, and they probably remained loyal to throughout their lives. Sounds like Cosby had a fairly normal upbringing in Philadelphia for many black kids. I'd guess the church he went to was pretty similar to many others, I don't know. You seem to want to pass judgment on he and MLK - I don't know that much about them other than their outspoken ways.
MLK's speech and others like it were extremely confrontational towards whites. Perhaps not as hate-filled as the pastors, but pretty tough commentary on racial injustice. He did say to fight strongly, without violence, but fight, nonetheless. Similarly, Obama said that blacks need to look at themselves and stand up, realizing their own shortcomings.
I'd have to say that in looking at how successful Obama has become, the decisions he made to forego big money attorney work and seek civil service and helping blacks in South Chicage kind of speaks to the man's character and what he feels is important. He didn't have to do that, but he did. And at the most important time for him politically, and career wise, he is challenging his most ardent supporters to look within, and admit fault. It takes courage, IMO, to do that.
And I wonder if he could make things better for all - it is possible that he is a once in a lifetime type of person that could affect real positive change - because of his background and personal experiences.
As we all know, all of these people have skeletons in their closets. There will be those that would be against pretty much anyone that the side they oppose puts up. This is the case here, of course. I do agree his voting record to this point is very liberal, and I don't agree with some of it. Too liberal for me, in many ways. But I think there is too much being made of this situation. You can think what you like, that's the beauty of this country. I think it's SO refreshing to hear someone get up and speak from his heart with his own words, and address such a difficult situation so eloquently. This has been sadly missing from our political scene for several years now, and would be a positive thing for all of us in many ways.
He did this after his poll numbers commenced dropping
Wat a guy
"I challenge you to evaluate yourselves while you vote me into office. By voting me in, it would mean you are not racist and we can all hug in harmony. I'm not going to offer what it would mean if you didn't vote me in. Pastor, have all your checks cleared yet, especially from that Winfrey lady?"
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Could be truth in when he decided to do it...it makes sense to stem the tide of people blasting him and taking away the positives of his momentum and message - to not do it would be stupid, right? But when you consider him challenging blacks and not just throwing the pastor under the bus to try to cultivate white votes (I guess) in his speech, then I think his motivation might be more admirable than that.
I know some of you won't ever like him, so be it. And I/O, I certainly defer to your local views...you have seen much more of him than I have.
It has to be frustrating to be a conservative right now...looking at the three candidates plus Ralphie Boy.
I know some of you won't ever like him, so be it. And I/O, I certainly defer to your local views...you have seen much more of him than I have.
It has to be frustrating to be a conservative right now...looking at the three candidates plus Ralphie Boy.
I don't remember stating I was anything Chad. And as much as this whole field sucks, I control what I can in my life and outside from the once in a blue moon meltdowns, I'm not frustrated.
awesome....
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=64554
awesome....
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=64554
Wasn't referring to you specifically, I/O. Just think it would be difficult to select from the three choices for those that are dedicated conservatives, although McCain the obvious choice when push comes to shove, although Hillary probably pretty close to his views on many things.
I dig it! I can totally imagine smurph jumping up and down during one of the good 'Reverands' sermons.
I think it's a shame to compare anything Obama has done or said to the late, great MLK jr. Pretty sad.
With All due respect, I think that some of the scenarios that Obama has chosen to be in are very historically important. The only reason I mentioned him with MLK is because Wayne chose to paint him as completely opposite value-and-virtue-wise to MLK. I took the time to listen to much (not all) of Obama's speech, and I Googled MLK's famous speech, before I answered Wayne. Do I put them on the same level at this point historically? In no way. Did MLK take risks speaking his mind and stepping to the forefront that afforded Obama the freedom to do what he is doing? Absolutely.
I think this was a pretty important speech, at a pretty important time in all of our lives. Obama dismissers and doubters think it's all political - and it certainly could be. But to actually look at all the words HE WROTE and think of what is at stake for him in coming out and putting his ass on the line at the most critical time in his own life is something special - no matter the reason. Most would not have done this - especially doing it by themself. Did he have something to gain by doing it? Sure. But he certainly had plenty to lose, by putting himself out there for critics to pick his words apart, by risking his historic run for the Presidency by addressing it in the first place, and by giving those critics legs to further make this an issue.
Again, with all due respect, I can only imagine the critics of MLK when he made his speech. I can only imagine what some of the MJ'ers - more specifically - would have said about that speech the day after. How many people - white people, especially - gave MLK so much reverence and credit at the time he made his speech? Was he looked at as being a visionary, or someone to accept as a person of real value, or was he summarily dismissed as a racist, fear-mongering loser who just wanted handouts? I think - sadly - we know what happened to him after his speech. For someone to make another overall politically charged speech on race afterwards has to have some value, doesn't it? We all have had the thoughts about Obama being assassinated, haven't we? I have. I'd guess all of you have, too. But he did it. And I think it's important, and worthy of value.
I have no idea if Obama will be on our radar after this election season. But he certainly has a chance to be a very important person in our history - because of who he is. To compare him in some ways to MLK is far from sad, IMO. MLK had MANY flaws, personally. And if he was our complete focus, we'd probably be having the same kind of discussion about worthiness, too.
I don't think it's a sad comparison at all, in some ways.
Hmm Matt I thought you more observant than that--haven't you noticed a sudden transformation in Smurphy--he's went from dogging values orientated churches/politicians to all of a sudden defending religion/politician--
Apparently me he's finally found a religious message he can relate to. :shrug:
an interesting lil` tidbit for the crew....
guess who is on sharpy sharpton's payroll?......rev. wright`s daughter...
Wright's Daughter on Sharpton Payroll
"Only in the delusional world of race-pimp Al Sharpton can directly quoting someone be considered "grossly unfair" and a distortion.
Sharpton said the recent firestorm over Jeremiah Wright's comments in the pulpit is "grossly unfair."
"He has a right to express his views," he said. "This is ridiculous. I think Jeremiah Wright has been totally distorted."
Um, Al? Nobody said Wright doesn't have the right to his racist views. The issue is whether a sitting U.S. Senator and candidate for President should have been supporting this racist for 20 years.
Conveniently, Sharpton just happens to employ one of Wright's children.
Sharpton said he's continuing to maintain his National Action Network chapter in Chicago under chapter president Jeri L. Wright, daughter of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., the controversial minister and pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ.
Interesting to see Sharpton defending racist hate speech by Rev. Wright.""
quite a ponzi scheme...all the black racist shakedown artists who specialize in racial greivance theatre are all friends, employed by one another, employ each others children and/or are spiritually guided by one another. ....
shocker!
guess who is on sharpy sharpton's payroll?......rev. wright`s daughter...
Wright's Daughter on Sharpton Payroll
"Only in the delusional world of race-pimp Al Sharpton can directly quoting someone be considered "grossly unfair" and a distortion.
Sharpton said the recent firestorm over Jeremiah Wright's comments in the pulpit is "grossly unfair."
"He has a right to express his views," he said. "This is ridiculous. I think Jeremiah Wright has been totally distorted."
Um, Al? Nobody said Wright doesn't have the right to his racist views. The issue is whether a sitting U.S. Senator and candidate for President should have been supporting this racist for 20 years.
Conveniently, Sharpton just happens to employ one of Wright's children.
Sharpton said he's continuing to maintain his National Action Network chapter in Chicago under chapter president Jeri L. Wright, daughter of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., the controversial minister and pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ.
Interesting to see Sharpton defending racist hate speech by Rev. Wright.""
quite a ponzi scheme...all the black racist shakedown artists who specialize in racial greivance theatre are all friends, employed by one another, employ each others children and/or are spiritually guided by one another. ....
shocker!
Believe he needs another --denounce
Haven't seen the Mrs lately either:shrug:
Dems should be sitting on very comfortable lead right now--but their radical left-is the gift that keeps on giving
just out---
RASMUSSEN POLL: McCain Now Leads By Double Digits:
McCain 51% Clinton 41%
McCain 49% Obama 42%
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Haven't seen the Mrs lately either:shrug:
Dems should be sitting on very comfortable lead right now--but their radical left-is the gift that keeps on giving
just out---
RASMUSSEN POLL: McCain Now Leads By Double Digits:
McCain 51% Clinton 41%
McCain 49% Obama 42%
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_...ial_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
wayne's right.
Everybody throw in the towel. Its March and its over.
Wayne, you've finnally attained the logic and reasoning ablility of Harry Carrey in the later stages of his announcing career.
Eddie
Everybody throw in the towel. Its March and its over.
Wayne, you've finnally attained the logic and reasoning ablility of Harry Carrey in the later stages of his announcing career.
Eddie
WTF?!?!!?
WTF?!?!!?
Wow, this is the worst post on a topic in this forum, ever. Bill Cosby...??
Racism among Blacks in this country is very high, with over 85% saying that they don't trust "whites" to run the country in a fair fashion, that they would willingly institute anti-"black" policies. Even tho this country has the highest percentage of enfranchised minorities in the world.
Okay, ftr, Hussein Obama has 0 experience. He was the puppet of Rezko, and some other salicious-minded individuals. The Chicago Sun-Times is doing a full investigation into Rezko and Hussein. Their house, and it's purchase are going to be the straw that broke the camels back, and
WTF?!?!!?
Wow, this is the worst post on a topic in this forum, ever. Bill Cosby...??
Racism among Blacks in this country is very high, with over 85% saying that they don't trust "whites" to run the country in a fair fashion, that they would willingly institute anti-"black" policies. Even tho this country has the highest percentage of enfranchised minorities in the world.
Okay, ftr, Hussein Obama has 0 experience. He was the puppet of Rezko, and some other salicious-minded individuals. The Chicago Sun-Times is doing a full investigation into Rezko and Hussein. Their house, and it's purchase are going to be the straw that broke the camels back, and
wont be able to do anythig about Wright. Obamas' campaign is over, all the superdelegates are now all so scared of being ostracized by the Clinton camp they are all going on record as stating they will vote her in.
