Agent 0659 said:Well lets look at this for a second before we go to town again on Hellmuth. If I held AK vs KJ and the guy spiked a J I would be pretty ticked also, and so would everyone else. And I'm typing this slow BSU in case you cant keep up. Listen to me KJ is a s*** hand, suited or not. Is it worth the occasional limp or steal attempt yes but if you are getting lots of chips which 17,000 is alot of chips in a pot with KJ there is just no way you could have the best hand. It is the most overvalued hand by bad players of any. I mean you cant beat anything. AK, AJ, KQ, AQ All jave you up s*** creek and you are behind any pocket pair. So unless your opponent has K10 you are taking the worst of it. And for Hellmuth to lay down AK with a flop of AA4, that is a HUGE laydown that I think he is the best in the world at getting away from these type hands. 99/100 people go busted there. So get off his ass BSU
KJ is not as horrible a hand as one would think. It is "only" a 3-1 underdog to AK, meaning one in four times KJ is going to win. Its a race situation with any pocket pair under JJ. I'm not saying its a great hand by any means. One important missing piece of information is what their stacks were like at the time (was KJ short stacked) what the betting was like before and after the flop and what the flop was. Maybe he put Phil on a small pair. Again, not a great hand, but not the worst call I've ever seen.
