Making a Murderer (2015)

[airportis]

I thought there was a confession from the guy that raped the first woman. Maybe I'm missing something but I agree on the offense he's serving for now. Something very fishy. OJ's team would have gotten him off because I don't think the testimony from the dimwit should be admissible.

They didn't use the admission from the nephew to convict Avery, I don't think? Anyway, I agree that he did commit the crimes. There are some very fishy things that happen, but I don't think he was set up. I think, if anything, the police knew he did it and just tried to make it stick.

I am surprised the nephew didn't get a new trial though. Not that I think he is innocent, but the argument about his first lawyer being complete shit and getting confessions out of him with his lawyer not even present seemed like a good argument to at least get a new trial.

 

[MadJack]

They didn't use the admission from the nephew to convict Avery, I don't think? Anyway, I agree that he did commit the crimes. There are some very fishy things that happen, but I don't think he was set up. I think, if anything, the police knew he did it and just tried to make it stick.

I am surprised the nephew didn't get a new trial though. Not that I think he is innocent, but the argument about his first lawyer being complete shit and getting confessions out of him with his lawyer not even present seemed like a good argument to at least get a new trial.

At least.

He had like 10 different stories depending on how the questions were asked. And they weren't even his stories about what happened, it was all yes and no answers to what the cops said happened.

If they didn't use the testimony of the nephew what evidence did they have on Avery?

 

[airportis]

At least.

He had like 10 different stories depending on how the questions were asked. And they weren't even his stories about what happened, it was all yes and no answers to what the cops said happened.

If they didn't use the testimony of the nephew what evidence did they have on Avery?

The phone calls made me think that the nephew was in on it. If you are really not guilty, no matter if you are dumb as rocks or not, you are not going to talk to your mom on the phone and say you did it. Which I think he did at least one time. I can see how he might have been led to say certain things through interrogations, but the phone calls were him talking freely I thought.

I am not sure if they used the nephews confession, but I know they didn't call him to testify. The main evidence they used on Avery I think was obviously the car was on his property, the key was in his bedroom, the blood in the car was his, the bones were in his fire pit, and the bullet in the garage had her DNA on it.

 

[MadJack]

The main evidence they used on Avery I think was obviously the car was on his property, the key was in his bedroom, the blood in the car was his, the bones were in his fire pit, and the bullet in the garage had her DNA on it.

:SIB


What a clusterfuk that whole thing was. :lol:

 

[Construct Carl]

what the fuk is netflix

 

[Snafu]

If they didn't use the testimony of the nephew what evidence did they have on Avery?:

There was Avery's non blood (sweat) DNA inside that RAV4's hood/engine bay.
His nephew said that Avery disconnected it's battery = connects Avery to RAV4.

Killing was done elsewhere and they transported body in that RAV to their yard
to dispose car and body (maybe that's why they still had key?) = killer used RAV4

Avery took plates off and cops found them and cops already had idea that this car was
missing but it wasn't reported as a missing vehicle/person. = killing didn't happen where
nephew said it happened (he is only one who said it happened in Avery's trailer).
he knew about the battery and bones so he was involved at least at some level
and talked about "doing it" to his mom


Documentary isn't very specific what, why and when cops knew or doesn't explain
any theories why evidence was found and where except "it was planted".

bullet in the garage is most odd, no other DNA marks... maybe A had watched his Dexter's...

imo this documentary is too one sided to make conclusions that cops
actually framed Avery and he is innocent. plenty of co-incidents though...

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

If you are really not guilty, no matter if you are dumb as rocks or not, you are not going to talk to your mom on the phone and say you did it.

This comment really disturbs me. Basically you're claiming to be a psychologist.

And on that note it is a very POOR, BROAD, and ILLOGICAL statement to make that no matter how dumb you are, you won't say certain things.

I've sat in on studies where people were presented with concrete cut and dry evidence/proof(whatever word you want to use so you're not mislead), where people who were 100% sure in their answers were convinced to say otherwise because someone convincing or someone aggressive was able to convince them to say otherwise. It is simply remarkable what the human mind can do. The person who was trying to get them to change their answers KNEW they were trying to convince the people to change a right answer into a wrong answer LOL

So to make the very general claim you've made is pretty asinine if you ask me. Especially when you factor in the fact he was 16, with a 4th grade reading level, on top of the fact that the investigators were clearly force feeding him answers. Lets not even start with the fact that a body language apprentice, yet alone expert could tell you the damn kid was simply guessing LOL

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

If they didn't use the testimony of the nephew what evidence did they have on Avery?

They couldn't.

Only the murderer(s) and the investigating team knew she actually died from a bullet. Hence why they force fed him the gun shot to the head "admission." It was the only way they could make the charges stick. Get him to admit to something that wasn't public knowledge.

 

[vinnie]

This story is like the energizer bunny it keeps going & going:142smilie

(Reuters) - The White House on Thursday rejected calls for the release of Steven Avery, the convicted Wisconsin man at the center of popular Netflix streaming series "Making a Murderer," as another outlet announced that the case would return to television.

Investigation Discovery channel said it has started work on a follow-up TV special to the murder case that has sparked petitions calling for Avery's release after the Netflix show raised concerns about a possible miscarriage of justice.
"Front Page: The Steven Avery Story" is expected to air in late January and expects to "present crucial testimony and information that addresses many of the questions surrounding Steven Avery," Investigation Discovery's group president Henry Schlieff said in a statement.

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

No "sweat" was every found under the hood. That was a theory. What was found under the hood was simply DNA.

 

[airportis]

This comment really disturbs me. Basically you're claiming to be a psychologist.

And on that note it is a very POOR, BROAD, and ILLOGICAL statement to make that no matter how dumb you are, you won't say certain things.

I've sat in on studies where people were presented with concrete cut and dry evidence/proof(whatever word you want to use so you're not mislead), where people who were 100% sure in their answers were convinced to say otherwise because someone convincing or someone aggressive was able to convince them to say otherwise. It is simply remarkable what the human mind can do. The person who was trying to get them to change their answers KNEW they were trying to convince the people to change a right answer into a wrong answer LOL

So to make the very general claim you've made is pretty asinine if you ask me. Especially when you factor in the fact he was 16, with a 4th grade reading level, on top of the fact that the investigators were clearly force feeding him answers. Lets not even start with the fact that a body language apprentice, yet alone expert could tell you the damn kid was simply guessing LOL

you watched a conspiracy theory movie. you didn't watch a fair and unbiased documentary about the case. what is asinine is seeing this "film" and basing your opinion on that. do some of your own research instead of lapping up what they feed you on Netflix. :0008

 

[airportis]

the nephew also claimed on phone calls to his mother that he was molested by Avery. but you didn't hear those phone calls in the documentary...

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

you watched a conspiracy theory movie. you didn't watch a fair and unbiased documentary about the case. what is asinine is seeing this "film" and basing your opinion on that. do some of your own research instead of lapping up what they feed you on Netflix. :0008

Once again, you making general statements with no credibility.

I've done my fair share of research. But of course that would be your fall back argument :142smilie

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

Airportis - I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that ridiculous statement you made though. Where did you get your PHD?

 

[airportis]

Airportis - I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that ridiculous statement you made though. Where did you get your PHD?

you're taking this documentary very personal. make sure you catch the ID special later this month. you are their prime market. I am sure you have signed all the petitions already as well. :142smilie

 

[hedgehog]

To me, there is reasonable doubt. Right before the county was to pay 450K he mysteriously commits murder, there is no concrete proof cops planted evidence, but.........not all cops are good people, so...I would like to hear what the documentary left out.

 

[ClevelandSteamers]

you're taking this documentary very personal. make sure you catch the ID special later this month. you are their prime market. I am sure you have signed all the petitions already as well. :142smilie

The response I expected.

I don't even have cable, so it's most likely you're more glued to this than I am :0074

 

[yyz]

Nancy Grace will have the counterpoint to this story tonight.


opcorn2

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Jury survey right after the closing arguments:
7 - Not Guilty
3 - Guilty
2 - Undecided

Pretty sure they saw all the evidence.

For the guys saying it is a movie and we're all suckers to what Netflix is presenting, how do you explain this?

 

[yyz]

Jury survey right after the closing arguments:
7 - Not Guilty
3 - Guilty
2 - Undecided

Pretty sure they saw all the evidence.

For the guys saying it is a movie and we're all suckers to what Netflix is presenting, how do you explain this?

The cops tampered with the jury