MANNY PACQUIA0 Vs CLOTTEY - KOD
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welterweight limit of 147. I remember Clottey and Corrales weighing 149 and then Clottey coming into the ring at 169... makes me wonder if he should have moved up. He does seem to conserve energy often and you have to wonder if there are stamina issues. Not good against PacMonster if so. I could see the ref jumping in to stop it in the tenth while Clottey is generally unhurt in his shell defense.
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Thanks. I just rewatched Cotto vs Clottey and Pac vs Cotto. And it seems like, Clottey can't keep up with Pac.
I dont follow boxing, AT ALL, but will bet on tiddleywinks if theres some scratch to be made.
Theres been some strong steady money hitting the under in this fight and one book I keep tabs on has dropped the number almost 30 points.
Thats in the last 5 days alone.
Zoinks.
Theres been some strong steady money hitting the under in this fight and one book I keep tabs on has dropped the number almost 30 points.
Thats in the last 5 days alone.
Zoinks.
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you dont follow boxing at all !
This is a waltz in the park
I see the over still -180
If Manny can knock Clottey out in under 10 rds
I got to give him some serious chops.
Clotteys head is rock.
The advantage for Clottey in this fight is size. He?s a natural welterweight and he?ll be able to do some damage to Pacquiao .
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This is from a article IE posted.
The size is going to be very evident.
Clottey should be able to weather the storm.
Pacman not willing to take chances in losing this fight.
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This is from a article IE posted.
The size is going to be very evident.
Clottey should be able to weather the storm.
Pacman not willing to take chances in losing this fight.
The one thing I like best about this play is that
Clottey has never been knocked out .
The guy knows how to survive against quality competition.
Clottey is a very durable fighter. I can't remember ever seeing him cut or even marked up after a fight. His head is concrete.
Clottey has a tight defense and even though he may get dropped , he should get up and last the count.
Clottey will be the biggest and strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced. He doesn't have to make a catch-weight as Cotto was required to, and he won't be fighting Manny in a weight-class he's outgrown as Oscar De La Hoya did.
He could quite possibly enter the ring as a middleweight. Pacquiao's speed and ability to throw punches from unorthodox angles will be too much for the straight-ahead style of Clottey. And while an excellent counter puncher, Clottey will have a frustrating time counter punching the elusive Pacman.
An x-factor in this fight could be cuts.
Clottey's head has done as much damage as his fists on occasion-- Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir (Clottey was actually disqualified for using his head against Baldomir). Manny's corner should be well-prepared. In a competitive and possibly grueling fight Pacquiao's knockout streak will end but not but not his winning streak.
Clottey's going to be very motivated for this fight and he's too tough and defensive minded to get caught clean or seriously hurt by a Pacquiao bomb.
Plus think his jab and hook to the body will keep Pacquiao honest. However, Pacquiao's superior speed, activity and footwork allow him to out-hustle the challenger in the majority of rounds.
This will be an interesting fight for Manny Pacquaio. He's facing a tough, determined, well-trained and prepared boxer in Joshua Clottey, who also is known for diving in headfirst and punishing the body.
This is how Clottey won his unanimous technical decision over Zab Judah for the IBF welterweight title -- a clash of heads that opened a cut over Judah's right eye. Pacquiao is wary of fighters like this; Agapito Sanchez cut him with a head butt in their bloody 2001 draw in San Francisco.
Manny starting fast and strong, then Clottey beginning to beat him back with solid left hooks and right hands. But after a few rounds, Manny will begin to time him, and his angled attack will be too much for Clottey. By the halfway point of the fight, Manny is in the ascendant, and he dominates the second half as Clottey increasingly goes into a defensive shell.
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Clottey has never been knocked out .
The guy knows how to survive against quality competition.
Clottey is a very durable fighter. I can't remember ever seeing him cut or even marked up after a fight. His head is concrete.
Clottey has a tight defense and even though he may get dropped , he should get up and last the count.
Clottey will be the biggest and strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced. He doesn't have to make a catch-weight as Cotto was required to, and he won't be fighting Manny in a weight-class he's outgrown as Oscar De La Hoya did.
He could quite possibly enter the ring as a middleweight. Pacquiao's speed and ability to throw punches from unorthodox angles will be too much for the straight-ahead style of Clottey. And while an excellent counter puncher, Clottey will have a frustrating time counter punching the elusive Pacman.
An x-factor in this fight could be cuts.
Clottey's head has done as much damage as his fists on occasion-- Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir (Clottey was actually disqualified for using his head against Baldomir). Manny's corner should be well-prepared. In a competitive and possibly grueling fight Pacquiao's knockout streak will end but not but not his winning streak.
Clottey's going to be very motivated for this fight and he's too tough and defensive minded to get caught clean or seriously hurt by a Pacquiao bomb.
Plus think his jab and hook to the body will keep Pacquiao honest. However, Pacquiao's superior speed, activity and footwork allow him to out-hustle the challenger in the majority of rounds.
This will be an interesting fight for Manny Pacquaio. He's facing a tough, determined, well-trained and prepared boxer in Joshua Clottey, who also is known for diving in headfirst and punishing the body.
This is how Clottey won his unanimous technical decision over Zab Judah for the IBF welterweight title -- a clash of heads that opened a cut over Judah's right eye. Pacquiao is wary of fighters like this; Agapito Sanchez cut him with a head butt in their bloody 2001 draw in San Francisco.
Manny starting fast and strong, then Clottey beginning to beat him back with solid left hooks and right hands. But after a few rounds, Manny will begin to time him, and his angled attack will be too much for Clottey. By the halfway point of the fight, Manny is in the ascendant, and he dominates the second half as Clottey increasingly goes into a defensive shell.
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if pacquaio walks through this big bastard...who nobody`s even come remotely close to stopping....nobody`s really had in trouble(the flash knockdown was shite).....then he shouldn`t be forced to give a blood sample...he should be pinned on a dissection table,flayed open and checked for alien d.n.a....
Clottey could weigh 167 or more at fight time. :scared
I just looked again at the TKO, KO, DQ for Pacman
at -135
If I do that I will be throwing out my over bet. Taking money away from the play I feel strongly will win.
Then I looked at the Pacman by Decision.
Even though I think there is a very strong play with Pac getting the decision, I could see him getting a stoppage late in round 11 or 12 much like Cotto fight.
I am sticking to what I have.
The way I know is the way I go. :00hour
I smell money and it smells green !
I just looked again at the TKO, KO, DQ for Pacman
at -135
If I do that I will be throwing out my over bet. Taking money away from the play I feel strongly will win.
Then I looked at the Pacman by Decision.
Even though I think there is a very strong play with Pac getting the decision, I could see him getting a stoppage late in round 11 or 12 much like Cotto fight.
I am sticking to what I have.
The way I know is the way I go. :00hour
I smell money and it smells green !
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i`m watching the hbo pre-fight show on the fight.....and i have to say...pacquaio`s f-cking head dwarfs clottey`s.....he looks like a f-cking freak...
they showed photos of manny in the corner vs barrera or morales.....and he looks completely different,imo.....the width of the head and the jawline...same sort of look that moseley has..x 10...
changed my mind....i`m not touching a manny fight until he takes a legit,olympic style drug test prior to fighting....
he doesn`t like needles?...riiiight...bash me all you want...i ain`t buyin`it...
g.l. guys...
they showed photos of manny in the corner vs barrera or morales.....and he looks completely different,imo.....the width of the head and the jawline...same sort of look that moseley has..x 10...
changed my mind....i`m not touching a manny fight until he takes a legit,olympic style drug test prior to fighting....
he doesn`t like needles?...riiiight...bash me all you want...i ain`t buyin`it...
g.l. guys...
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Size matters when betting Pacquiao vs. Clottey By EVAN KORN
Article Comments TWITTER FACEBOOK Evan Korn has written for Ring Magazine and is an editor for the boxing blog www.newyork.fighthype.com.
The assumption among most is as followed: Manny Pacquiao should have few problems defeating Joshua Clottey Saturday evening.
A Pacquiao victory at Cowboys Stadium, while probable, is not assured.
Regardless of the bout?s outcome, Clottey will be the biggest, strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced.
One glance at the rugged welterweight contender confirms that suspicion.
At the pre-fight presser in New York City back in January, Clottey and Pacquiao hyped the fight for various media types. As the two stood side by side on the elevated theatre at Madison Square Garden stage, the size difference became apparent. Clottey?s broad torso and squat body dwarfed Pacquiao?s comparatively smaller frame.
Pacquiao is a gifted fighter who has been built into a world class welterweight.
Clottey, the Ghanaian veteran, is a chiseled mass of layered muscle who has fought at or above the welterweight limit for more than a decade. As fight night approaches, the question plaguing mankind for centuries will be asked: Does size matter?
As we have learned in recent years, especially when Pacquiao fights, skill often trumps size.
Clottey?s brute strength, though, has given numerous top welterweights problems. Both Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto struggled to figure out Clottey?s high-defensive guard, which shields his face and upper body. Against Zab Judah, a speedy southpaw, Clottey?s physical strength and steady attack wore down the smaller man over the second half of the fight. Clottey?s brute strength could be the elixir that halts Pacquiao?s blazing run of success.
Pacquiao is a physical marvel, a pugilist who has looked more destructive as he has climbed the scales. He weathered some punishing left hooks to the body from Cotto, then brutalized the former two-division champion en route to a 12th-round TKO. Clottey?s offensive arsenal is not as developed as Cotto, but he should be more durable.
Durability and size are not enough to beat Pacquiao. Clottey will have to up his work rate and look for space to counter. In order for Clottey to upset the apple cart, his size and strength must neutralize Pacquiao?s otherworldly speed.
Otherwise, he?ll be just another big guy used as target practice for the PacMan.
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The odds on Pacquiao have increased to -800 at many sportsbooks. According to renowned boxing linesmaker Joey Oddessa, that?s a bit pricey even for a fighter of Pacquiao?s caliber.
?The number has gone too high,? says Oddessa.
?If Manny is thinking about Floyd (Mayweather) and not Clottey, Clottey could pull off the upset. Do I think he?s going to? I don?t.?
While Clottey at +500 or higher might seem like a great value bet, Oddessa thinks there are too many factors working against the Ghanian.
?It will be really tough to win a decision in Texas against, arguably, the No. 1 guy on the planet right now,? he says.
Despite the money line not presenting excellent value in either direction, there are still quality values to be had.
?I think it?s an over fight,? says Oddessa. ?Clottey has been in with some big punchers and is against the smaller guy, despite Manny looking like this great physical specimen. This fight going the distance could be a moral victory for Clottey, but I expect Clottey to give it 110 percent.?
Weekend Picks
Evan Korn is 6-1-1 with his boxing picks over the past two weeks.
In the Pacquiao-Clottey fight, over 9.5 rounds (-170) is the play
Alfonso Gomez (-230) is the bet against faded Jose Luis Castillo
Paul Smith (-260) against Tony Dodson
David Diaz (+275-300) is a solid value against Humberto Soto
Article Comments TWITTER FACEBOOK Evan Korn has written for Ring Magazine and is an editor for the boxing blog www.newyork.fighthype.com.
The assumption among most is as followed: Manny Pacquiao should have few problems defeating Joshua Clottey Saturday evening.
A Pacquiao victory at Cowboys Stadium, while probable, is not assured.
Regardless of the bout?s outcome, Clottey will be the biggest, strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced.
One glance at the rugged welterweight contender confirms that suspicion.
At the pre-fight presser in New York City back in January, Clottey and Pacquiao hyped the fight for various media types. As the two stood side by side on the elevated theatre at Madison Square Garden stage, the size difference became apparent. Clottey?s broad torso and squat body dwarfed Pacquiao?s comparatively smaller frame.
Pacquiao is a gifted fighter who has been built into a world class welterweight.
Clottey, the Ghanaian veteran, is a chiseled mass of layered muscle who has fought at or above the welterweight limit for more than a decade. As fight night approaches, the question plaguing mankind for centuries will be asked: Does size matter?
As we have learned in recent years, especially when Pacquiao fights, skill often trumps size.
Clottey?s brute strength, though, has given numerous top welterweights problems. Both Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto struggled to figure out Clottey?s high-defensive guard, which shields his face and upper body. Against Zab Judah, a speedy southpaw, Clottey?s physical strength and steady attack wore down the smaller man over the second half of the fight. Clottey?s brute strength could be the elixir that halts Pacquiao?s blazing run of success.
Pacquiao is a physical marvel, a pugilist who has looked more destructive as he has climbed the scales. He weathered some punishing left hooks to the body from Cotto, then brutalized the former two-division champion en route to a 12th-round TKO. Clottey?s offensive arsenal is not as developed as Cotto, but he should be more durable.
Durability and size are not enough to beat Pacquiao. Clottey will have to up his work rate and look for space to counter. In order for Clottey to upset the apple cart, his size and strength must neutralize Pacquiao?s otherworldly speed.
Otherwise, he?ll be just another big guy used as target practice for the PacMan.
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The odds on Pacquiao have increased to -800 at many sportsbooks. According to renowned boxing linesmaker Joey Oddessa, that?s a bit pricey even for a fighter of Pacquiao?s caliber.
?The number has gone too high,? says Oddessa.
?If Manny is thinking about Floyd (Mayweather) and not Clottey, Clottey could pull off the upset. Do I think he?s going to? I don?t.?
While Clottey at +500 or higher might seem like a great value bet, Oddessa thinks there are too many factors working against the Ghanian.
?It will be really tough to win a decision in Texas against, arguably, the No. 1 guy on the planet right now,? he says.
Despite the money line not presenting excellent value in either direction, there are still quality values to be had.
?I think it?s an over fight,? says Oddessa. ?Clottey has been in with some big punchers and is against the smaller guy, despite Manny looking like this great physical specimen. This fight going the distance could be a moral victory for Clottey, but I expect Clottey to give it 110 percent.?
Weekend Picks
Evan Korn is 6-1-1 with his boxing picks over the past two weeks.
In the Pacquiao-Clottey fight, over 9.5 rounds (-170) is the play
Alfonso Gomez (-230) is the bet against faded Jose Luis Castillo
Paul Smith (-260) against Tony Dodson
David Diaz (+275-300) is a solid value against Humberto Soto
yeh and Clottey has never been KOd
I decided to pay for it on PPV. Directv charged me 59.00 .... 10 bucks extra for HD and not standard.
the rat bastids.
christ
I decided to pay for it on PPV. Directv charged me 59.00 .... 10 bucks extra for HD and not standard.
the rat bastids.
christ
Manny Pacquiao and Joshua Clottey both made weight for their eagerly-awaited showdown in Texas on Saturday night.
P4P king Pacquiao (50-3-2) defends his WBO welterweight title against Clottey (35-3) in front of a sellout crowd of 45,000 inside the gleaming $1.2billion Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.
And the Filipino icon, coming off that devastating display in stopping Miguel Cotto last November, tipped the scales at a career-heaviest 145 and three-quarter pounds.
Clottey meanwhile came in right on the welterweight limit of 147 pounds.
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now this is the time when Clottey goes and puts on the feed bag. Steak and potatos, pasta and raviolis.
Clottey will look huge entering the ring at 160 +
P4P king Pacquiao (50-3-2) defends his WBO welterweight title against Clottey (35-3) in front of a sellout crowd of 45,000 inside the gleaming $1.2billion Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.
And the Filipino icon, coming off that devastating display in stopping Miguel Cotto last November, tipped the scales at a career-heaviest 145 and three-quarter pounds.
Clottey meanwhile came in right on the welterweight limit of 147 pounds.
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now this is the time when Clottey goes and puts on the feed bag. Steak and potatos, pasta and raviolis.
Clottey will look huge entering the ring at 160 +
Main Event:
12 Rds., WBO Welterweight Championship
MANNY PACQUIAO vs. JOSHUA CLOTTEY
Undercard:
12 Rds., WBC lightweight title
HUMBERTO SOTO DAVID DIAZ
10 Rds., WBC Continental Americas welterweight title
ALFONSO GOMEZ JOSE LUIS CASTILLO
10 Rds., Light middleweight
JOHN DUDDY VS MICHAEL MEDINA
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Hope I dont fall asleep and miss the fight .
that should be well past midnight
and then turn the clocks ahead also
daylight savings time again
12 Rds., WBO Welterweight Championship
MANNY PACQUIAO vs. JOSHUA CLOTTEY
Undercard:
12 Rds., WBC lightweight title
HUMBERTO SOTO DAVID DIAZ
10 Rds., WBC Continental Americas welterweight title
ALFONSO GOMEZ JOSE LUIS CASTILLO
10 Rds., Light middleweight
JOHN DUDDY VS MICHAEL MEDINA
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Hope I dont fall asleep and miss the fight .
that should be well past midnight
and then turn the clocks ahead also
daylight savings time again
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Live Pay Per View Provider USA
UK, Canada, Australia, NZ
Live Pay Per View Philippines
Dallas Cowboy Stadium Ticket
Fight Time What Time Schedule
Pacquiao Clottey Free Philippines
Watch Live Stream Free PPV
PLDT DSL WatchPad Live
TV Azteca 7 Mexico Live
Tecate Beer Mail Rebate
Pacquiao vs Clottey Sky Sports
Pacquiao vs Clottey SM Cinema
Pacquiao vs Clottey Video
Pacquiao vs Clottey Weigh In
Dallas Open Workout Video
Road to Dallas HBO
The Event Teaser Trailer
