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you just are not a very good risk taker gw.
what does the size of Mannys head have to do with winning a wager. :shrug:
jump on it. slam it. hit it hard
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MANNY PACQUIA0 Vs CLOTTEY - KOD
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you just are not a very good risk taker gw.
what does the size of Mannys head have to do with winning a wager. :shrug:
jump on it. slam it. hit it hard
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Over 9? rounds -165
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too much money pouring in on the over
now they drop it to get the sucker under betters
dont be fooled
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too much money pouring in on the over
now they drop it to get the sucker under betters
dont be fooled
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WTF kind of list is this? The one Ghost use to print where i can see where the fight is in my area. :mj07:
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Sponge
you seriously are in trouble if you can't figure out a way to watch the fight.
Geeez Louise.
PS - I got bigger fish to fry pipsqueak
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Thanks Andrey
I think the best thing I did was hold the one play and not add on.
I have learned not to do that the hard way over the years. Sometimes it works out but its usually best I know when to hold em.
should be a great fight to watch if you have the over.
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Pacquiao plans to head off any butts in this fight
Manny Pacquiao arrives for a news conference on Wednesday to promote his Saturday night bout at Cowboys Stadium against Joshua Clottey. (LM Otero / Associated Press / March 10, 2010)
His foe on Saturday night, Joshua Clottey, has been known to bloody opponents with a strike of the forehead. The champion has an ace cut man in his corner just in case.
From Arlington, Texas
The best strategy for challenger Joshua Clottey in his fight against Manny Pacquiao may be to use his head.
Not his brain, his head.
There is a history here, and the Pacquiao camp is aware. Their fighter is so heavily favored that some odds on Pacquiao winning have been as high as 15-2. There has been more discussion about where the fight is taking place ? massive Cowboys Stadium in front of 45,000 people ? than how it will turn out. To most, it's a foregone conclusion.
Still, Pacquiao and his people know that danger lurks in any ring battle, no matter the odds. They know that, in this one, Clottey's forehead may be as dangerous as his fists.
"We're not going to fight him in the box, straight on, where his head can get at Manny," says Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, of the Saturday night match.
The memory of Clottey's fight last June 13 against Miguel Cotto in Madison Square Garden remains vivid to all in boxing.
In the third round, Cotto and Clottey banged heads and Cotto was cut over his left eye. The remainder of the fight was a struggle in Cotto's corner to stop the blood flow, and it wasn't until the last two rounds that Cotto seemed to recover enough to chase down Clottey and score enough points to escape with a split decision.
In November 1999 in London, a then-unbeaten Clottey fought Carlos Baldomir of Argentina. Ahead on all three judges' cards, Clottey was penalized two points in the 10th round for what was termed an "intentional head butt" that opened a cut over Baldomir's left eye. In the 11th, Clottey was warned again about leading with his head, and when he did it one more time, the referee stopped it and gave Baldomir the fight on a disqualification.
The rules state that if a fighter is cut by a head butt, but is deemed by medical personnel to be able to continue, then there is no recourse for the wounded fighter, other than disqualification for repeated offenses, as happened in the Baldomir fight. With Cotto, there were no further detected head butts, so he had to fight his way back through it.
The exception occurs if the head butt happens in the first four rounds and the wounded fighter is judged to be unable to go on. Then they go to the scorecards to get the winner.
The head-butting issue is especially significant in this fight because Pacquiao has a history of not doing well when cut.
"He freaks out a little bit," Roach says.
Pacquiao has lost only three fights on the way to his current 50-3-2 record and status as the best boxer in the world. One loss occurred March 19, 2005, when Erik Morales cut him over the right eye ? ruled a cut by punch, not head butt ? and Pacquiao lost a unanimous decision.
"I couldn't see out of one eye, and it was very hard," Pacquiao said then.
He went on to avenge that loss by knocking out Morales twice.
Interestingly, the cut man in Pacquiao's corner Saturday night will be Miguel Diaz, whom Roach calls "the best in the business."
There is some history there too.
In May 2004, Pacquiao, still a little-known boxer on the rise, took on Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas. In the first round, Pacquiao nearly destroyed Marquez, knocking him down three times. The third time, Marquez barely made it to his feet in time, but his nose, clearly broken, was a bloody mess.
In his corner, veteran trainer Nacho Berenstein struggled to stop the bleeding in Marquez's nose. Sitting nearby at ringside, having worked an undercard fight, was Diaz, who saw the problem, knew how to help and went to Berenstein's aide, despite some resistance from security guards. He wasn't allowed in the ring, but he handed Berenstein the extra medical tools needed. Marquez went back out for the second round, survived, and Diaz did the same thing for Berenstein in the corner after the round.
Somehow, with the blood stopped just enough for him to be effective, Marquez turned the fight around enough to get a draw from the judges, one of whom had not realized he could have scored Pacquiao's three knockdowns in the first as a 10-6 round, rather than the 10-7 he made it.
Saturday night, Diaz will be on Pacquiao's side, just in case Clottey uses his head too much.
"I told Manny," Roach says, "that he's got the best cut man in the world in his corner. I told him not to worry."
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Manny Pacquiao arrives for a news conference on Wednesday to promote his Saturday night bout at Cowboys Stadium against Joshua Clottey. (LM Otero / Associated Press / March 10, 2010)
His foe on Saturday night, Joshua Clottey, has been known to bloody opponents with a strike of the forehead. The champion has an ace cut man in his corner just in case.
From Arlington, Texas
The best strategy for challenger Joshua Clottey in his fight against Manny Pacquiao may be to use his head.
Not his brain, his head.
There is a history here, and the Pacquiao camp is aware. Their fighter is so heavily favored that some odds on Pacquiao winning have been as high as 15-2. There has been more discussion about where the fight is taking place ? massive Cowboys Stadium in front of 45,000 people ? than how it will turn out. To most, it's a foregone conclusion.
Still, Pacquiao and his people know that danger lurks in any ring battle, no matter the odds. They know that, in this one, Clottey's forehead may be as dangerous as his fists.
"We're not going to fight him in the box, straight on, where his head can get at Manny," says Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, of the Saturday night match.
The memory of Clottey's fight last June 13 against Miguel Cotto in Madison Square Garden remains vivid to all in boxing.
In the third round, Cotto and Clottey banged heads and Cotto was cut over his left eye. The remainder of the fight was a struggle in Cotto's corner to stop the blood flow, and it wasn't until the last two rounds that Cotto seemed to recover enough to chase down Clottey and score enough points to escape with a split decision.
In November 1999 in London, a then-unbeaten Clottey fought Carlos Baldomir of Argentina. Ahead on all three judges' cards, Clottey was penalized two points in the 10th round for what was termed an "intentional head butt" that opened a cut over Baldomir's left eye. In the 11th, Clottey was warned again about leading with his head, and when he did it one more time, the referee stopped it and gave Baldomir the fight on a disqualification.
The rules state that if a fighter is cut by a head butt, but is deemed by medical personnel to be able to continue, then there is no recourse for the wounded fighter, other than disqualification for repeated offenses, as happened in the Baldomir fight. With Cotto, there were no further detected head butts, so he had to fight his way back through it.
The exception occurs if the head butt happens in the first four rounds and the wounded fighter is judged to be unable to go on. Then they go to the scorecards to get the winner.
The head-butting issue is especially significant in this fight because Pacquiao has a history of not doing well when cut.
"He freaks out a little bit," Roach says.
Pacquiao has lost only three fights on the way to his current 50-3-2 record and status as the best boxer in the world. One loss occurred March 19, 2005, when Erik Morales cut him over the right eye ? ruled a cut by punch, not head butt ? and Pacquiao lost a unanimous decision.
"I couldn't see out of one eye, and it was very hard," Pacquiao said then.
He went on to avenge that loss by knocking out Morales twice.
Interestingly, the cut man in Pacquiao's corner Saturday night will be Miguel Diaz, whom Roach calls "the best in the business."
There is some history there too.
In May 2004, Pacquiao, still a little-known boxer on the rise, took on Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas. In the first round, Pacquiao nearly destroyed Marquez, knocking him down three times. The third time, Marquez barely made it to his feet in time, but his nose, clearly broken, was a bloody mess.
In his corner, veteran trainer Nacho Berenstein struggled to stop the bleeding in Marquez's nose. Sitting nearby at ringside, having worked an undercard fight, was Diaz, who saw the problem, knew how to help and went to Berenstein's aide, despite some resistance from security guards. He wasn't allowed in the ring, but he handed Berenstein the extra medical tools needed. Marquez went back out for the second round, survived, and Diaz did the same thing for Berenstein in the corner after the round.
Somehow, with the blood stopped just enough for him to be effective, Marquez turned the fight around enough to get a draw from the judges, one of whom had not realized he could have scored Pacquiao's three knockdowns in the first as a 10-6 round, rather than the 10-7 he made it.
Saturday night, Diaz will be on Pacquiao's side, just in case Clottey uses his head too much.
"I told Manny," Roach says, "that he's got the best cut man in the world in his corner. I told him not to worry."
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I have learned that Laurence Cole, the veteran referee who resides in Texas and runs an insurance business, has been tabbed by WBO President Francisco "Paco" Valcarcel as the referee for the Joshua Clottey-Manny Pacquiao welterweight title bout at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington on March 13.
I had recently written that Cole, a more than competent referee, would be an obvious choice for the plum assignment.
I had recently written that Cole, a more than competent referee, would be an obvious choice for the plum assignment.
-Referee Laurence Cole-
Texas referee Laurence Cole, was the third man in the ring on November 25th in Hidalgo, Texas, when Filipino Jimrex Jaca met Juan Manuel Marquez for the WBO Interim Featherweight title. Many of you might remember the 8th round in particular, when Cole asked a badly cut Marquez and I paraphrase, whether he wanted to continue, adding that he was ahead on the cards.
I sat in front of my TV in utter disbelief, hoping that perhaps the commentators would comment on what was said, but they didn't. I missed Larry Merchant, and I missed Jim Lampley, a lot... It was obvious that the B.A.D. crew on duty that night was not going to delve into what amounted to a serious infraction on the part of the referee. Here we are, we can't agree on open scoring, but a referee can tell a fighter he is ahead on the cards and doesn't have to continue if he doesn't want to???? (Marquez had a decent size cut across his forehead and the blood was never contained).
I wrote an editorial column on the subject, expressing my frustration at the arrogance -for lack of a better word- Mr. Cole had displayed during his officiating of this title bout. I also questioned whether Mr. Cole's 'private' -or so he thought- sidebar with Mr. Marquez marked the introduction of a new spin to the debate that surrounds open scoring in boxing. (Much to Marquez's credit, he fought on like a true champion and stopped his opponent in the 9th round).
Other issues were mentioned in the piece, such as the fact that I only saw the ringside physician examine Marquez once, relatively early on, although Marquez bled quite a bit for several rounds. Last, but certainly not least, I pointed out the very disturbing fact that out of such an illustrious corner as Marquez had, headed by Nacho Beristain, no coagulants were ever applied to his cut. Whether by design or neglect, I believed that to have been totally unacceptable.
A couple of days after the blatant faux pas, a rather small rumble began to brew from the ranks of the paying customers, and the story got some ink in other web sites. Headlines about Cole having been suspended and fined were posted, although in my experience with this type of situation I doubted very much that punishment could have been handed down so quickly. In other words, I smelled a rat....
On behalf of interested boxing fans and for my own understanding, I decided to contact the boxing director of the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation, Mr. Dick Cole, who also happens to be Laurence Cole's dad.
When I spoke with the senior Cole, I could sense a scintilla of aggravation in his voice, as well as a sense of resignation as I pressed him to answer my questions. This is what our one-on-one was about.
1) I asked Mr. Cole's office to please FAX me the certificate of the company that insured the show. I felt it necessary to know whether the most obvious of all the conflicts of interest had taken place. For your information, Mr. Cole's office complied and I can verify that the promoter of the event had purchased his insurance from a California agent, and not from the Cole family.
2) I then asked Mr. Cole about his son's alleged one year suspension plus the $3000 fine that was being posted and talked about over the internet.
Mr. Cole assured me under no uncertain terms that Laurence has not been suspended nor fined. Actually, a complaint hadn't even been lodged against him at the time of our conversation, (which took place on Thursday, December 14th). Mr. Cole went on to say that without someone lodging a complaint with his Commission, they can't even investigate a situation, let alone agree on issues such as suspensions or fines.
He added that this is a judicial process that begins with the lodging of a complaint, followed by an investigation of the particular situation expressed in the complaint. The Association of Boxing Commissions is notified of the complaint as well as the result of the investigation. The Commissioners then vote and decide whether -in their opinion- the complaint is valid or not. if the answer is yes, they make recommendations as to what punishment should be assigned. If the resolution is to suspend someone's license, only the D.A.'s office can officially suspend a license, (and with it the capability of an individual to earn a living). The person that was investigated, and is about to be suspended, should that be the scenario, can then appeal the decision reached.
"This entire process can take months, even years," said Mr. Cole, "so how can they be saying that there has been a fine and a suspension against Laurence Cole?"
3) Mr. Dick Cole conceded that Laurence Cole had "used the wrong words." Upon further questioning, he did say that "no matter what words he used, Laurence Cole should have never said what he said to Marquez."
I would like to thank Mr. Cole for taking the time to speak to me under what I'm sure are not the most pleasant of circumstances for him, as a Commissioner and a father. I also appreciate his candor and ultimately the recognition that what Laurence Cole did was not right, under any circumstance.
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this is ur thread and when a guy is to lazy to pull for himself u are supposed to step in and help out. :nono: Those are the unwritten rules aroung here pal.
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damn
I give you a winning play
what more do you want
i see lots of people on this over. Might be a quick stoppage in this one. the fake liver shot where the ref jumps in to early. Vegas wins and everyone else loses.
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well since there is only over or under the total there will be alot of people on both.
I was on the over in early Feb though.
no one knows if there are more people on which total. Its impossible to tell that . you know better
I am worried about head butts and cuts that could stop it early.
But other than that, I feel good about this play.
