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Couple assistant updates for you UM guys:

Soup and Fred Jackson are almost certainly staying.

RR is brining his OC, his DB coach and his S&C coach with him.

The S&C coach is HUGE.:00hour
 

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Couple assistant updates for you UM guys:

Soup and Fred Jackson are almost certainly staying.

RR is brining his OC, his DB coach and his S&C coach with him.

The S&C coach is HUGE.:00hour

Yep..you got a great S&C coach...Mike Barwis is top notch.

I am happy RR left....WVU gave him things until it hurt (money, facility upgrades,etc) and he showed what he is all about today.

WVU will continue to roll through the Big East and appear in BCS bowls. Heck, we may even find a coach that has more than 5 plays.

Don't fool yourself on Calvin Magee...he isn't the OC...Rich calls the plays and will drive you crazy with zero in-game adjustments if things aren't going right.
 

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Think the Rodriguez situation is funny - have everything break your way, then lose at home as a 28 point fave for a ticket to the NC game, then run away to UM

Pretty embarassing if you ask me - you've proven that you can take it to that level at WVU (+ the fact that it is his alma mater) but you f'd it all up and now you're ducking town

Not sure how you guys in Ann Arbor can be excited about a guy like this
 

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Think the Rodriguez situation is funny - have everything break your way, then lose at home as a 28 point fave for a ticket to the NC game, then run away to UM

Pretty embarassing if you ask me - you've proven that you can take it to that level at WVU (+ the fact that it is his alma mater) but you f'd it all up and now you're ducking town

Not sure how you guys in Ann Arbor can be excited about a guy like this

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Yep..you got a great S&C coach...Mike Barwis is top notch.

I am happy RR left....WVU gave him things until it hurt (money, facility upgrades,etc) and he showed what he is all about today.

WVU will continue to roll through the Big East and appear in BCS bowls. Heck, we may even find a coach that has more than 5 plays.

Don't fool yourself on Calvin Magee...he isn't the OC...Rich calls the plays and will drive you crazy with zero in-game adjustments if things aren't going right.

Wilson,
Zero in game improvements, eh? Have you been watching Michigan the last few years; we're pretty used to that. Hell, RR's offense will be so new to us, it might take us 3-4 years before we even realize he hasn't adjusted in-game. :142smilie

I hope everyone is right w/ the S/C.....we are woeful right there on the aspect of the game, anybody would be an improvement and hopefully the guy RR is bringing with him is as goos as you say.
 

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What is the over/under on how many times RR will cry on the sideline during a game in his 1st year?

I'd lay it at 1 over -150
 

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Coach Rod....Mich fans can enjoy this hire for about 6 months until next year begins. Let me start off by saying I like WVU and have no resentment for his departure. In fact after this season I looked at it like WVU is going to need someone to slap the coaches in the mouth to get them to do their job. It seemed that coach rod never had his kids ready in the big game....interesting I call SoFla,Pitt, Louisville,Cincy, rutgers big games. they do not even tpuch the magnitude of ohio st/mich. I look back on the bad play calling and poor game management and think how mich fans will react when down by 3 their head coach refuses to use time outs and shows no emotion when they ask him why he did not stop the clock. I think Mich will get a boost in recruiting but they had the players in place to win before, it comes down to coaching....so what will he change...can you say Northwestern....thats right, his spread misdirection offense will score some points but for michigans sake you better change that 3-3 defense....since big 10 schools like to run the ball look how WVU did stopping the pitt running game.

will he help or hurt...... well I think he will bring more offense into the big house but as he showed in WV....since they paid him big money.... WVU fans are happy to win more than they lose.....cwood do you think he will find the same level of acceptance in mich?

the player it hurts the most is the freshman qb ....i don't think he will be there that long.

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Irish, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and no one can say with any certainty how well RR will do in Ann Arbor. I will offer up this as evidence as to why I feel he will be successful...here are WV's finishes in the Big East the last 6 seasons:

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Now, I'm not 100% positive if West Virginia University has any inherent advantages relative to the rest of the Big East, but I'm pretty damn sure they don't. So, when you finish first or second in your conference every year after your first season, my opinion is you're doing pretty well.

Further, Michigan certainly has inherent advantages relative to the rest of the B10 (as does OSU). Huge advantages. That alone tells me he'll do very well in the B10. Past that, hard to say, but I do like the hire and I'm certainly not going to hold him accountable for Pat White's thumb injury vs Pitt or quad injury vs USF.
 

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cwood, alot of talk here in western pa that mich definately on t pryor's list if not the top choice now......

Thanks gambino. Hearing the same things out of Ann Arbor. His cousin Tony Clemons is a freshman WR at UM and TP reportedly gave him a very encouraging call yesterday.
 

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How serious was John Wienke considering Michigan, Cwood?

Saw where he visited Iowa over the weekend and now is comitted(at least at this moment) to play for the Hawkeyes.

He is another Illinois small-school Elite 11 QB--just as Jake Christensen was--and so far JC isn't much of a QB----and now Iowa will have 7 count 'em 7, QBs on its roster in the fall...:shrug:
 

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thought that some would like to read this take...

Stewart Mandel

Michigan Scores Home Run with Rodriguez

Rich Rodriguez is leaving his native West Virginia to succeed Lloyd Carr at Michigan.

How big is Rich Rodriguez to Michigan? In terms of the ramifications for both program and sport, it's college football's most significant hire since Florida landed Urban Meyer.

Michigan, one of the last bastions of smash-mouth football and 6-foot-5 pocket passers, just hired arguably the most renowned pioneer of the new-age, spread-option offense. For all those weeks of hand-wringing over Les Miles, Michigan wound up landing itself a better coach.

"Bottom line -- Michigan stepped up to the plate," said SuperPrep recruiting analyst Allen Wallace. "They've gone out and stolen one of the elite coaches in the game. If I were a Michigan fan, I'd be having a party tonight."

That may seem an odd statement considering the West Virginia coach was, at best, Michigan's third choice. Athletic director Bill Martin's either botched or aborted courtship of LSU's Miles was well-documented, as was Rutgers coach Greg Schiano's surprising decision to turn down the Wolverines' subsequent offer.

In hiring Rodriguez, however, Martin and the rest of the Michigan brass showed they weren't about to be hampered by two widely suspected sticking points -- lineage and money

Unlike Miles, Rodriguez is not a "Michigan Man." Quite the contrary, he's a "Mountain Man" (with the twang to prove it), having spent nearly all his formative and coaching years in West Virginia. He does not fit the traditional Michigan mold in the slightest; in fact, his markedly laid-back personality and humor-laced press conferences make him a diametric opposite to departing coach Lloyd Carr.

Rodriguez also comes with quite the price tag. After rejecting a lucrative offer from Alabama last winter, Rodriguez signed a new contract with West Virginia that includes a hefty $4 million buyout. Michigan has a reputation for frugality, and its offers to both Miles and Schiano were reportedly modest in comparison to the current, outrageous marketplace.

But it's no secret Michigan has deeper purse strings than West Virginia (from whom it's now stolen both its football and basketball coaches in an eight-month span), and given the opportunity to hire a guy who's gone 32-5 the past three seasons, the Wolverines' brass apparently whipped out their checkbooks.

"It's a big demonstration on the part of Michigan in terms of advancing their tradition," said Wallace. "They've been mired in this good-but-not great state for some time. They need to get over the hump against Ohio State, and bringing in a coach with a very versatile offensive mind speaks well for the Wolverines."

Publicly, Rodriguez had continually pledged allegiance to his home-state school, but privately he'd expressed frustration on numerous occasions with West Virginia's limited financial resources. It's why he entertained Alabama's offer a year ago, and it's why Michigan must have seemed so enticing.

Even after his renegotiated deal, Rodriguez's 2007 salary (about $1.8 million) remained well below his market value (consider that Arkansas just gave Bobby Petrino, who owns one less Big East title ring than Rodriguez, $3 million). From what I've been told, however, Rodriguez's frustrations had less to do with his own funding than that of his program's, which last year claimed revenues of $25.2 million -- roughly half that of Michigan's.

While Rodriguez's Mountaineers have had more success on the field the past few seasons than the Wolverines, the ceiling will always be higher in Ann Arbor. A star the caliber of Pat White does not fall into West Virginia's lap all that often; at Michigan, however, Rodriguez will have the opportunity to pick from among the nation's top athletes on an annual basis. And the thought of those athletes plugged into Rodriguez's offense had to be sending shivers through the rest of the Big Ten coaching offices Sunday.

"Rich is one of the best coaches in football," said Meyer, a friend of Rodriguez, whose own spread-option offense is based in large part on the West Virginia coach's. "Michigan's got great athletes and they're national recruiters. If everyone's healthy, they're the most talented team in the country."

How immediate was the ripple effect of Rodriguez's hire? The coach barely had time to inform the Mountaineers of his decision early Sunday afternoon before the nation's most coveted recruit, Jeanette (Pa.) native Terrelle Pryor -- a spread-option QB who'd reportedly narrowed his choices to Ohio State (the suspected favorite), West Virginia, Florida and Oregon -- told Scout.com, "Add Michigan to my list."

While that possibility must be music to the ears of Wolverines fans desperate to beat the Buckeyes at something, remember, Michigan already has a pretty good young quarterback in freshman Ryan Mallett, who, along with Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen, was the most coveted signal-caller in last year's signing class. While Rodriguez's recent teams have been heavily run-dominated, his earliest spread teams at Glenville State threw the ball roughly 50 times a game. He was also the offensive coordinator for Tulane in 1998 when the Green Wave went undefeated behind NCAA passing leader Shaun King.

You have to think Rodriguez will mold his offense to fit Mallett's skills; however, Mallett is a traditional drop-back passer whose lack of mobility could make for an odd fit. It's not unlike the dilemma Meyer faced upon inheriting Chris Leak, a highly skilled passer ill-suited for running the zone-read. Meyer made it work to the tune of a national title his second season.

Rodriguez could face a similar, clunky transition period ("Right now, talent-wise, they're not suited for the kind of offense Rodriguez would like to run," said Wallace), but long term, the possibilities seem great. As Wallace pointed out, Rodriguez turned West Virginia into a national title contender despite never recruiting a class ranked higher than 26th nationally by SuperPrep; during the same, seven-year span, Michigan never finished outside the top 10.

"Rodriguez will find himself with some talent he's not used to having," said Wallace. "The spread offense has typically been run by teams competing against people that out-talented you. He's going to be able to recruit a better-caliber athlete. If he's really committed to the spread offense, I'm sure he can make it work there."

Michigan's good fortune comes at the expense of West Virginia fans, now reeling from their second crippling blow this month. (And unlikely to be comforted by rumors that native Terry Bowden -- out of coaching since 1998 -- is believed to be Rodriguez's most likely successor). The first was a gut-wrenching Dec. 1 loss to arch-rival Pittsburgh that knocked the Mountaineers out of the BCS title game.

Ironically, that same result also paved the way for Sunday's regime change. Had West Virginia won that game, Rodriguez would likely have been off the market and Miles may well have wound up in Ann Arbor; instead, Miles is the one preparing a national-title date with Ohio State while Rodriguez is taking over at Michigan.

It's hard to say which team's fan base should be more excited right now.
 

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How serious was John Wienke considering Michigan, Cwood?

Saw where he visited Iowa over the weekend and now is comitted(at least at this moment) to play for the Hawkeyes.

Weinke was a firm commitment to UM prior to the retirement and many thought he was the next in line at QB after Mallett. Not bad company when you consider every UM starter since Elvis Grbac has cashed an NFL check and all but one have started an NFL game. You guys got yourself a very good one.
 

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T. Bowden interested in WVU job

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) -- West Virginia turned to the task of finding a new football coach Monday, and the Mountaineers already have at least one very interested candidate -- Terry Bowden.

Bowden, 52, who grew up in Morgantown, has been out of coaching since quitting at Auburn during the 1998 season. His hunger for coaching has been regenerated in recent years and has made it known he would like to return to West Virginia, his alma mater.

"I made a full commitment to get back into coaching almost two years ago. Coming home to West Virginia would obviously be the dream job for me," Bowden, a college football analyst on radio and the Internet, said in a statement released by his publicist.

When reached at his home Monday in Orlando, Fla., Bowden wouldn't say whether he's been in contact with the Mountaineers since Sunday, when Rich Rodriguez was named coach at Michigan.

"Anytime you've been involved with analyzing football, you talk all the time. When you're involved as a coach, you don't," Bowden said. "I wouldn't want to talk about anybody I've talked to.

"Obviously I've got a lot of friends there. I've had a lot of well-wishers call, and that's about it. That's all I'd like to comment. My statement's about all I can give."

Bowden's father, Bobby, coached the Mountaineers from 1970-75, going 42-26 before leaving for Florida State.

Terry Bowden lettered at WVU under coach Frank Cignetti as a running back in the 1977-78 seasons.

Like Rodriguez, Bowden was the nation's youngest head coach when he took his first job at NAIA Salem in 1983, five years before Rodriguez held a one-year stint there. Bowden won two West Virginia Conference championships in 1984 and 1985 and coached at Samford from 1987 to 1990, building the Bulldogs into a top Division III and I-AA program before taking over at Auburn in 1993.

His first two Auburn teams won 20 straight games, including an 11-0 season in 1993 when the Tigers were already on probation for violations before his arrival. He compiled 47 wins over six seasons before resigning on Oct. 23, 1998, after learning he was to be fired at the end of the season following the team's 1-4 start.

Bowden's brother, Clemson coach Tommy, had hired Rodriguez as his offensive coordinator at Tulane in 1997. Rodriguez followed Tommy Bowden to Clemson in 1999.

Another coach who is interested in West Virginia is Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster, said his agent, Bob Lattinville, although he said no contact has been made with the Mountaineers.

Also being mentioned is Florida State offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher, a Clarksburg native who played for Terry Bowden at Salem and was on Bowden's staff at Auburn along with Tommy Bowden.

But Fisher has a $2.5 million buyout clause in his contract if he leaves Florida State before Jan. 9, 2011. FSU officials on Dec. 10 announced Fisher had agreed to become Florida State's "head coach-in-waiting," but the contracts were not signed until Friday.

WVU has no provision for a football search committee similar to its process for hiring a president last year, said Steve Goodwin, chairman of the WVU Board of Governors.

"The football coach works for the athletic director and will be hired by the athletic director," Goodwin said Monday.

However, WVU President Mike Garrison is sure to be involved.

"I guarantee it. He's ultimately responsible," Goodwin said.

New football coaches usually aren't hired right away at major colleges. Last year, 21 FBS schools with coaching vacancies took an average of about 15 days to hire a replacement. Five of the vacancies were filled in a week or less.

West Virginia athletic director Ed Pastilong didn't immediately return a telephone message Monday.

In addition to hiring a new coach, Pastilong also must name someone to lead No. 11 West Virginia (10-2) in the Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2 against No. 3 Oklahoma (11-2).

It won't be offensive coordinator Calvin Magee or secondary coach and recruiting coordinator Tony Gibson. Rodriguez introduced them at his Michigan news conference.

Rodriguez said he wouldn't coach the Mountaineers in the bowl because he didn't want to be a distraction.

"The attention should be on the team. But I have not talked to West Virginia University about that," he said.

Leaving was distraction enough in a state whose fans once embraced their homegrown coach but now label him as a traitor.

One caller even used a holiday spin, inserting a "g" and an "n" into Rodriguez's first name to spell "Grinch."

Rodriguez's $4 million buyout clause in his West Virginia contract still must be worked out. When Michigan lured basketball coach John Beilein away from West Virginia last April, his contract had a $2.5 million buyout clause. Under an agreement with West Virginia, Beilein agreed to pay $1.5 million to the WVU Foundation.
 
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