Obama + Auto Bailouts = Success Story

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Doing the Math on Obama's Detroit Bailout

July 31, 2010
By David Welch

President Obama served up red meat for his hard-core supporters in Detroit yesterday, proclaiming that the government?s bailout of General Motors and Chrysler to be a success. Had he not intervened and invested in the two companies, Obama said, they would have fallen into liquidation and 1.1 million jobs would have evaporated. In the past year, the auto industry has regained 55,000 of the 334,000 jobs lost, he went on. ?The fact that we?re standing in this magnificent factory today is a testament to the decisions we made,? Obama said while visiting Chrysler?s Jeep Grand Cherokee plant in Detroit. His comments were aimed clearly at the critics on the other side of the political aisle who opposed the bailout 18 months ago and who still criticize government ownership of GM and Chrysler to this day.

So far, it is tough to argue that the bailout hasn?t worked. GM is in the black, having reported an $865 million profit in the first quarter with black ink looking likely for the rest of the year. GM?s results are strong enough that the company is preparing for an initial public offering that should start selling stock in November. Chrysler is at least making an operating profit, which puts the company in much better shape than most analysts thought it would be a year ago. With much lower costs, both companies should be able to make money going forward. Let?s not forget that GM, Chrysler and cross-town rival Ford cut out 2.9 million cars worth of production capacity during the crisis, according to the Center for Automotive Research. That was a quarter of capacity in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. Cutting out the fat has allowed them to post profits even though sales are slow.

The real test will be if the government breaks even on its investment, or at least comes close. Obama Administration officials say they are hopeful that the taxpayers will be paid back in full. GM got $49.5 billion from the feds and Chrysler took $10.8 billion. For the government to break even on GM, the company must be worth at least $66 billion, and even more if the bondholders and United Auto Workers union exercise warrants and dilute the government?s investment. But nearly breaking even would still be an accomplishment. Here?s what I mean: Based on where GM?s bonds trade, the company is worth about $53 billion right now. That would be an 80% return on the government?s investment if GM?s stock were so valued. Stock in GM will be more liquid than its current bonds, so it should be worth even more, analysts say. But for the sake of argument, assume an 80% recovery on the $60.3 billion direct investment in GM and Chrysler. That would leave $12 billion unpaid. Would that be a reasonable price to save two industrial icons and hundreds of thousands of jobs? I would have taken that deal in the depths of the financial crisis, and I wager that most critics would have, too.

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/a...doing_the_math_on_obamas_detroit_bailout.html
 

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Next Success Story for GM: The Chevy Volt

Next Success Story for GM: The Chevy Volt

GM will begin production of the Chevy Volt this fall and will go on sale in some areas in December. The Volt will have a 40 mile range on electric power only, but will also have an onboard gas powered engine that will extend its range another 300 miles.

The Volt will be priced at $41,000 but a $7,500 tax credit on all Volts will drop the price to $33,500. GM will also offer a lease deal on the Volt for $2,500 down and $350 per month. GM decided to go with the 40 mile range because it allowed them to put a smaller lithium-ion battery in the car and studies showed that the average driver drives less than 40 miles per day.

The lithium-ion battery can be fully recharged in 12-14 hours on 110V power and 4 hours on 240V power. The lithium-ion battery in the Volt will come with an 8 year, 100,000 mile warranty.

The lease deal looks like it could be a good option. Way to go GM and President Obama. Keep up the good work. :toast:
 

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The Chevy Cruze: Another GM Success Story?

The Chevy Cruze: Another GM Success Story?

Chevy Cruze Offers 40 MPG for Under $19,000
Jun 4 2010, 4:18 PM ET

Wouldn't it be great if there was a gasoline-powered car that could get near-hybrid gas mileage at a low price? In September, there will be. That's when Chevrolet's new Cruze mid-size sedan will hit showrooms. A model with its new 40-mile-per-gallon "Ecotec engine" will cost as little as $18,895. This vehicle shows the kind of innovation needed by a GM brand.

The Cruze will come in several different versions, but the Cruze Eco is the one with the most impressive gas mileage estimate. It contains a 1.4 liter turbo six-speed transmission. It's the sixth gear that provides the ability for the really impressive 40 mpg. Of course, the flipside is that in the city it will be in different gears that provide only around 27 mpg.

But what kind of performance can a 1.4 liter engine provide? According to Mike Danowski, the Chevy Cruze product manager, the turbo-charger provides quite good performance. And this isn't your circa-1980s turbo engine (read: awful!). The Ecotec contains a contemporary design where the turbo charger is housed in the exhaust manifold, eliminating turbo-lag. American GM engineers have also worked with their European counterparts to create a longer-lasting turbo-charger by water-cooling the oil around the bearings, enhancing their life expectancy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...y-cruze-offers-40-mpg-for-under-19-000/57713/

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Trench,

Are there estimates on how much electricity the Volt will consume will charging ?
It's my understanding the Volt battery holds 8.8 kilowatt hours of electricity. I pay 11 cents per kilowatt hour where I live (ymmv). I live 6.5 miles from work, so I drive less than 40 miles per day (on average). So even if I had to fully recharge the battery every day, it would only cost me about $1 per day to drive the Volt.

http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do
 

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Trench,

Thanks ! I briefly went through the page.

I am up to other nonsense. Where are the batteries made and how are they disposed of ?

I know that earlier versions are or were developed in the Middle East, Bahrain I believe ? And the batteries are disposed of in the desert.

Just checking. :SIB

I do WAY TOO MUCH commuting to drive one of these vehicles,and I get very nervous in a small car. I was a passenger in a Honda when the driver got distracted and flipped the pig ! It was a great ride ! :mj07: Total Hollywood flip move, he took the major hit, broke arm and cuts to the face, I spilled my coffee ! So after that, like I said, I don't like riding in small cars.
 

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I beleve it was consumer report 40 miles in a volt cost 2.31. Gas is running 2.70 gal. And no car running streight gas will get same.
 

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I see the Wall Street Journal, today, declared the rescue of the auto industry a success and a big economic policy achievement.

It looks like conservatives disagree today, going as far as wanting citizens to avoid buying GM products. It doesn't sound like "putting America first!" to me. :shrug:
 

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I see the Wall Street Journal, today, declared the rescue of the auto industry a success and a big economic policy achievement.

It looks like conservatives disagree today, going as far as wanting citizens to avoid buying GM products. It doesn't sound like "putting America first!" to me. :shrug:
To me, it's not even a partisan issue. I'm still amazed at the number of people who were ready to throw the U.S. auto industry (and parts suppliers and dealerships) under the bus a year and a half ago. It made no economic sense to concede yet another critical manufacturing base to Asia.

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After working for Ford for 6 years, I was totally repulsed by the auto-bailouts. But, I have to admit it looks like it worked and the money was handled responsibly (unlike the banks).
 

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After working for Ford for 6 years, I was totally repulsed by the auto-bailouts. But, I have to admit it looks like it worked and the money was handled responsibly (unlike the banks).

I hope GM pays back what they owe.

M hasn't paid back diddly-squat; instead plays the 3-card Monte with our $$
Kevin Meyer over at Evolving Excellence has this nice little expose about the wool that Government Motors is trying to pull over the eyes of the American taxpayer about allegedly repaying its bailout loans "in full".

The truth is that they've barely repaid anything, thanks to some some (legal) accounting shenanigans that would make Enron blush, and what they have repaid has been paid back...from the very bailout funds that they've received.

So, the reality is they haven't paid back jack-squat and some people at the Wall Street Journal and in Washington are starting to smell that something's rotten in Detroit.

Posted by Tom Southworth at 9:29 AM Permalink
 

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Not a neocon. I am happy people are still working but not thrilled by the auto bailout. Who is going to spend $40,000 for that car? This is the problem. I think it is good that they get better gas but they have not solved any problems in the auto industries. How long can we go on giving tax breaks so that cars can remain over priced. Rather than a tax break let them lower the price! I don't get it. They over price the car, they get huge salaries, and we help them sell them to rich guys by giving them a tax break. In other words, we help them sell them by taking out of the working class guys pocket.
 

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I hope GM pays back what they owe.

M hasn't paid back diddly-squat; instead plays the 3-card Monte with our $$
Kevin Meyer over at Evolving Excellence has this nice little expose about the wool that Government Motors is trying to pull over the eyes of the American taxpayer about allegedly repaying its bailout loans "in full".

The truth is that they've barely repaid anything, thanks to some some (legal) accounting shenanigans that would make Enron blush, and what they have repaid has been paid back...from the very bailout funds that they've received.

So, the reality is they haven't paid back jack-squat and some people at the Wall Street Journal and in Washington are starting to smell that something's rotten in Detroit.

Posted by Tom Southworth at 9:29 AM Permalink
You gotta link? :shrug:

GM payed back the $8.1 Billion in loans they received from the Govt. in June, 5 years ahead of schedule. And when they IPO later this year or early next year, they'll begin buying back the $45 Billion in shares the Govt. currently holds.

Now, tell me what those greedy Wall Street Fucks are doing to pay us taxpayers back the $700 Billion in TARP funds.

You got a smartass reply for that toad-boy?
 

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GM posts 2nd quarter profits of $1.33 billion... :00hour

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gDthEImr3_P0-59manCkynTnCl0AD9HI6MBG0



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I guess a dirtbag like Mags is very depressed that those people kept those nice paying jobs. He must be in tears that those union jobs are still intact and those families are living off of a decent wage. Hope he didn't go shoot himself. On second thought it would be a win for the workers of this country if he did find the time to just off his selfish self.
 

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Under a mask.
OMAN: The hidden cost of auto bailouts
Government takeovers make private investment too risky now

By Nathan B. Oman

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The Washington Times






As what looks to be a bleak election for Democrats approaches, the administration and its allies are understandably eager to hail any silver lining. Recently, they have been touting the $85 billion bailout of GM and Chrysler as a success. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has enthused, "The auto rescue is a great example of how the administration's policies helped lead to a turnaround in the industrial base of our country," and E.J. Dionne of The Washington Post has declared, "Big government saved the Malibu." Neither of these claims is true.

To be fair, credit should be given where credit is due. Once the initial bailout plan was approved, the Obama appointees tasked with watching the taxpayers' money have generally let business grown-ups, rather than political hacks, make decisions. The Chevy Volt - an example of the kind of overpriced, subsidy-dependent green technology that makes liberal hearts go pitter-patter - may yet turn out to be an expensive boondoggle, but for the time being, the companies are nominally profitable. It could have been much worse.

The bailout, however, was still an enormous mistake.

In early 2009, both GM and Chrysler had obligations they could never meet and business models that made no sense. This is not an unusual situation for a business to find itself in. Indeed, it is so common that we have a well-established body of law to deal with it. Distressed companies routinely reorganize in bankruptcy, shedding unrealistic obligations and restructuring to attract new capital. It is a painful process but one with clear rules that everyone knows in advance and plans for accordingly.

The bailout did two things. First, it shredded those rules. After contracting to be well to the rear of investors in the bankruptcy line - investors whose money had kept their jobs on life support - the unions got to jump to the head of that line. Promoting the unions in this way did nothing for the long-term health of the auto industry, but it did reward an unfailingly loyal Democratic constituency.

Second, the bailout provided billions of dollars of taxpayer money. Its defenders rightly point out that without an infusion of capital the companies would have failed. There is no reason, however, that this capital needed to come from the U.S. Treasury. One of the great advantages of bankruptcy reorganization is that a company with reasonable prospects of success - once it sheds unrealistic obligations - can get new financing. The system depends crucially, however, on the new creditors having the absolute assurance that the new contracts they make will be respected legally.

In 2009, no investors were willing to provide the capital GM and Chrysler needed. In part, this was because, after decades of incompetence and denial, the companies were in wretched condition. In part it was because of turmoil in the banking system. Overwhelmingly, however, it was because the new administration made it crystal clear that creditors' contracts with GM and Chrysler would not be respected. The unions would be protected, even at the cost of ignoring the ordinary legal rules. Only a fool would invest billions of dollars in such circumstances.

The government's involvement was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Taxpayer money became vital to GM's and Chrysler's continued survival precisely because the presence of taxpayer money understandably scared away private investors. It's impossible to know for sure, but had the companies filed for bankruptcy without the looming threat of government involvement, they very likely could have reorganized successfully.

Well-functioning markets depend decisively on respect for contracts. Investors will put billions of dollars on the line only when they know what the rules are in advance and they know that those rules will be respected. Without investors willing to do this, we are left with the kind of sluggish growth and unemployment we see today. The bailout did not save GM and Chrysler. They could have gone through bankruptcy like everyone else. It did, however, undermine the trust on which successful capitalism depends.

Nathan B. Oman is a law professor at William & Mary teaching contract and bankruptcy law.
 

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After working for Ford for 6 years, I was totally repulsed by the auto-bailouts. But, I have to admit it looks like it worked and the money was handled responsibly (unlike the banks).

Not picking on you Garry but was surprised to see you on same tangent as most in this thread.

Bank loans for most part have been repaid with interest--I doubt auto loans will ever be repaid.

Auto's handled responsibly? Tanked original stock holders-wrote off debt to creditors-then try to start new IPO and do same thing all over again. I'm thinking there are a lot of former stockholders and business's and dealers that would disagree with you.

As far as general motors--only thing that is saving them is sales in China --

Ford will make it--Chrysler and Chevy have little to no chance.
 

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GM will never pay back what(?) 50 billion?

I don't even think their market cap was ever 50 billion even back in their hay days.

Forget it, that money is gone, gone, gone.

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Not picking on you Garry but was surprised to see you on same tangent as most in this thread.

Bank loans for most part have been repaid with interest--I doubt auto loans will ever be repaid.

You've got to be kidding... What about the $700 Billion Bush and Paulson gave to Wall Street? You think we'll ever see a dime of that again?

Auto's handled responsibly? Tanked original stock holders-wrote off debt to creditors-then try to start new IPO and do same thing all over again. I'm thinking there are a lot of former stockholders and business's and dealers that would disagree with you.

As far as general motors--only thing that is saving them is sales in China --

No automakers are doing well in the North American and European markets. You got a problem with GM doing well in growth markets like Asia?

Ford will make it--Chrysler and Chevy have little to no chance.

OK, got it. Spend whatever it takes to keep Wall Street Bankers, Defense Contractors and Oil Company execs happy but fuck the auto industry and all the middle-class jobs depending on that industry.
You don't even try to make sense anymore... :142smilie
 
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