Obama + Auto Bailouts = Success Story

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In all seriousnous Trench--doubt I ever make much sense to you-we have totally diff vulues and character.

You have to remember--I'm a tax payor/ vet and business owner of 27 years. I come from conservative family with grandparents and parents all celebrating 50th wedding anniversaries--none ever collecting a penny in welfare.

--and you on the otherhand identify with Gumby/Da Base :0008
 

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In all seriousnous Trench--doubt I ever make much sense to you-we have totally diff vulues and character.

You have to remember--I'm a tax payor/ vet and business owner of 27 years. I come from conservative family with grandparents and parents all celebrating 50th wedding anniversaries--none ever collecting a penny in welfare.

--and you on the otherhand identify with Gumby/Da Base :0008

Don't act like you have any values. You are a piece of shit along with the other neo-cons. You don't give a fuck about anybody but yourself. If there is a god he is going to have fun with you.
 

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Out of curiousity--who is top curser in your family? Took a few minutes to explore theories on what causes this dysfunctional disorder--and believe I've hit apon the answer.

According to article below its combination of your social backround-and neurological and psychological state.


One theory is ?Neuro-Psycho-Social Theory? of Speech.
In NPS theory, cursing operates through rules that are akin to conditional if-then statements: ?IF neurological state + psychological state + social setting, THEN + or ? chance of cursing (Jay, 2000).


enjoy the read :0008

Why do people curse
http://www.examiner.com/cognitive-science-in-national/why-do-people-curse
 

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GM IPO raises $20.1 billion

Wed, Nov 17 2010
By Clare Baldwin and Soyoung Kim

NEW YORK (Reuters) - General Motors Co GM.UL pulled off the biggest initial public offering in U.S. history on Wednesday, raising $20.1 billion after pricing shares at the top of the proposed range in response to huge investor demand.

GM sold 478 million common shares at $33 each, raising $15.77 billion, as well as $4.35 billion in preferred shares, more than the initially planned $4 billion.

Including an option that would allow underwriters to sell more shares, expected to be exercised in coming days, GM looks set to raise $23.1 billion -- the biggest initial public offering ever.

The strong response to the stock sale reflects growing investor confidence that GM is moving beyond its unpopular, taxpayer-funded bankruptcy in June 2009 with sharply lower costs and higher profit potential.

The U.S. government's stake in GM will drop to about 33 percent from 61 percent if all available shares are sold.

The stock will begin trading on Thursday on the New York and Toronto stock exchanges.

The success of the IPO is good news for the Obama administration, which faced criticism for bailing out GM, and will help the automaker shed its "Government Motors" label.

Auto industry executives and analysts said the reversal in Wall Street sentiment toward GM pointed to renewed confidence in an industry that was hit hard by the credit crisis of 2008.

That is a positive sign for a range of auto-related companies, including Chrysler, that are looking to tap the credit and equity markets in coming months, analysts said.

"You're not in GM for a three-month investment," Tim Leuliette, a director at auto parts maker Visteon Corp, (VSTO.OB: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) said at the Reuters Autos Summit.

"You're into GM because a critical element, a critical building block of the U.S. economy, has significantly repositioned itself to be competitive.

FROM BLUE-CHIP TO BAILOUT

The stock sale represents a big step toward taxpayers recouping the U.S. government's $50 billion rescue of the 102-year-old company, which had fallen from blue-chip status to bailout basket case in recent years.

GM earned $5 billion in the first nine months of 2010 and is on track for its first full-year profit since 2004. Earnings will accelerate if U.S. auto sales continue to creep back up toward the 15-million or 16-million vehicle-per-year sales rates the U.S. industry last saw in 2007, analysts say.

Sales plunged to 10.4 million vehicles in 2009 and have staged a slow recovery to near 11.5 million this year.

"GM is making a lot of money at depression levels of sales. As the market improves it should make even more money," said Dave Cole, chairman emeritus of the Center for Automotive Research.

In a road show for investors spearheaded by GM Chief Executive Dan Akerson and Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell, the automaker has emphasized both its sharply lower costs and its exposure to key growth markets like China.

One of the open questions was whether GM's China partner, state-owned SAIC Motor Corp Ltd (600104.SS: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), was able to move beyond a last-minute regulatory hurdle that threatened its plans to take a 1 percent stake in GM.

The two companies had negotiated new cooperation in areas such as electric car programs in talks that began this summer.

Under a tentative deal, SAIC had agreed to invest $500 million to $1 billion in GM pending Chinese government approval, people with knowledge of those discussions said.

As of late on Wednesday, China's Ministry of Commerce had not approved the SAIC investment, said three people familiar with the matter.

Sources have said that sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East and Asia are among the investors.

GOVERNMENT TO REMAIN BIGGEST OWNER

The U.S. Treasury will remain GM's largest shareholder for now. U.S. officials have said unloading the entire stake is likely to take several years.

The stock price will need to rise by 47 percent to $48.58 -- about what it costs to fill the gasoline tank of a 2010 Chevy Malibu LS 4-door sedan -- for the U.S. government to break even on its follow-on stock sales.

At $48 per share, GM would have a market value of more than $90 billion. In comparison, its closest rival, Ford Motor Co (F.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), has a market capitalization of $59 billion after a rally that has sent its stock up 65 percent this year.

Government officials have argued that it would represent a kind of success if the White House breaks even only on the $30 billion that the Obama adminstration committed to GM. Just over $19 billion in funding came from the Bush administration.

The GM bailout spared the automaker from liquidation and saved hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs at the company and its suppliers, officials have said.

The governments of Canada and Ontario also took a combined stake of 11.67 percent stake in GM in return for helping to fund the bailout, and they reduced their stakes through the IPO.

With over-allotments, GM's IPO would eclipse the record $22.1 billion raised by Agricultural Bank of China (601288.SS: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) in its IPO in July.

(Reporting by Kevin Krolicki in Detroit and Clare Baldwin and Soyoung Kim in New York; additional reporting by James Kelleher in Detroit and John Crawley in Washington; Editing by John Wallace, Matthew Lewis and Ted Kerr)
 

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I guess a dirtbag like Mags is very depressed that those people kept those nice paying jobs. He must be in tears that those union jobs are still intact and those families are living off of a decent wage. Hope he didn't go shoot himself. On second thought it would be a win for the workers of this country if he did find the time to just off his selfish self.

Typical classy statement by Spongie....... hard to believe you have time to post between picking up welfare checks....

But wishing a MJ member would commit suicide..... That's pretty low, even for someone like you.

I realize this board is not moderated, but there are some statements - like yours above - telling and hoping someone kills themselves - well, if that isn't enough for a lifetime ban, then......

Again, classy move Spongy. I'm sure you feel good about yourself.
 

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Typical classy statement by Spongie....... hard to believe you have time to post between picking up welfare checks....

But wishing a MJ member would commit suicide..... That's pretty low, even for someone like you.

I realize this board is not moderated, but there are some statements - like yours above - telling and hoping someone kills themselves - well, if that isn't enough for a lifetime ban, then......

Again, classy move Spongy. I'm sure you feel good about yourself.

Yeah, it ranks right up there with calling someone a pedofile right after they accept your invitation to dinner and offer to pay.
 

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1st the liberal analogy--

"Had he not intervened and invested in the two companies, Obama said, they would have fallen into liquidation and 1.1 million jobs would have evaporated."

Like if GM and Chrysler go under --all of a sudden we will be buying fewer cars in the U.S. therefore needing fewer workers DUH

--or is it we would continue to buy same amount of cars but production and 1 million jobs will be absorbed/transfered to the solvent responsible companies who will be rewarded for their responsible business model.


as noted when this all was going down--
We will be paid back by financial institutions with interest--and doubt we will ever be paid back in full by auto industry. We see how it pans out--

Could do long summary but in a nutshell--The U.S. treasury will need to sell remaining shares at bout $50 a share to break even.

--and was it an auto bailout or union bailout--as they were given ownership rights via our tax dollars--while bondholders/parts suppliers/competitors were given shaft.

--This headline back in 2006 pretty much summed things up for me--Had I had any monetary interest I would have liquidated after realizing their expenses were so out of whack they couldn't make a profit with record revenue--


Business News Bulletin
GM Posts Loss On Record Revenue
Albert Bozzo, 04.20.06, 10:20 AM ET

New York -
Here's what's making news Thursday.
General Motors (nyse: GM - news - people ) reported its sixth consecutive quarterly loss in the first quarter of 2006. The struggling auto giant had a loss of $323 million. Revenue, however, rose to a record $52.2 billion. Results were marked by a $1 billion charge related to a labor settlement.
 
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If GM, Chrysler, 10,000 dealerships and all of their parts suppliers had failed, Ford likely would have failed too. The job loss likely would have exceeded 2 million and the ripple effect throughout the economy would have been staggering.

Typical response from Dogs though, who doesn't understand finance, budgets or the economy. Guess that's why he's an...(ahem)...insurance salesman. The only ax Dogs has to grind here is that he knows that in saving an industry, Obama potentially secured millions of votes for the 2012 election. And Dogs would gleefully sacrifice 2 million good paying American jobs to see Obama fail.
 
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What part of DUH
--did you fail to comprehend?????

--and I was equally against GW 25B contribution to auto bailout in his last days--so your race baiting tactics are erroneous --again

You need to stick to your area of expertise--

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Yeah, it ranks right up there with calling someone a pedofile right after they accept your invitation to dinner and offer to pay.

TU - please show where I called Trenchie a pedofile. Not once did I.

I did respond to someone else, who suggested there is nothing wrong with using profanity around young children which is not only inappropriate, but makes you wonder what else the children could be subjected to, such as having the young children watch child porn with you. THAT is what was said - and it wasn't directed at Trenchie.

But it did make a good point - if you have no limits to what you expose your children to, well, they will not grow up to be very intelligent, well adjusted adults.

There is a very clear correlation between intelligence level and the amount of profanity one uses - the smarter you are, the less likely you are to use profanity.

When's the last time you heard Obama use profanity??? :shrug:

Get your facts right before you try calling someone out - it just makes you look dumb.
 

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Business News Bulletin
GM Posts Loss On Record Revenue
Albert Bozzo, 04.20.06, 10:20 AM ET

New York -
Here's what's making news Thursday.
General Motors (nyse: GM - news - people ) reported its sixth consecutive quarterly loss in the first quarter of 2006. The struggling auto giant had a loss of $323 million. Revenue, however, rose to a record $52.2 billion. Results were marked by a $1 billion charge related to a labor settlement.
Ground Control to Major Tom...

Your "News Bulletin" is 4 1/2 years old!!! :142smilie
 
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Typical classy statement by Spongie....... hard to believe you have time to post between picking up welfare checks....

But wishing a MJ member would commit suicide..... That's pretty low, even for someone like you.

I realize this board is not moderated, but there are some statements - like yours above - telling and hoping someone kills themselves - well, if that isn't enough for a lifetime ban, then......

Again, classy move Spongy. I'm sure you feel good about yourself.

I wish all u self centered assholes would off yourselves. The world would be a much nicer place. The only thing u do for society is try to make as much money as u can off of the misery of others. That makes u a maggot in my book. A maggot that needs to be stomped
 

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TU - please show where I called Trenchie a pedofile. Not once did I.

I did respond to someone else, who suggested there is nothing wrong with using profanity around young children which is not only inappropriate, but makes you wonder what else the children could be subjected to, such as having the young children watch child porn with you. THAT is what was said - and it wasn't directed at Trenchie.

But it did make a good point - if you have no limits to what you expose your children to, well, they will not grow up to be very intelligent, well adjusted adults.

There is a very clear correlation between intelligence level and the amount of profanity one uses - the smarter you are, the less likely you are to use profanity.

When's the last time you heard Obama use profanity??? :shrug:

Get your facts right before you try calling someone out - it just makes you look dumb.

We all know what you said to Duff. You invited him to meet you then you ended up ditching him while calling him a pedofile. Now you want to take the high road. What a class act you are. :mj07:
 

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You said it Mags,

It was a horrible thing to say.

Appoligize and move on.

But appoligies around here are few and far between. :0corn
 

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I wish all u self centered assholes would off yourselves. The world would be a much nicer place. The only thing u do for society is try to make as much money as u can off of the misery of others. That makes u a maggot in my book. A maggot that needs to be stomped

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You said it Mags,

It was a horrible thing to say.

Appoligize and move on.

But appoligies around here are few and far between. :0corn

I can assure you, if you go back and read the posts between Muffy and I, you will find nowhere that I call him a pedofile - or make any reference to that. He does use vulgar language, which as I pointed out, is a good indicator of lack of intelligence (think Southern Redneck).

I DID make a reference to Woodson watching porn with his kids, as Woody said there is nothing wrong with small children hearing vulgar language - they have to grow up sometime, he said. Well, if there are no limits to what you are willing to expose children to, then anything is fair game.

Children should be cherished and protected - they have plenty of time to be exposed to the bad elements in life. I stand by that concept.

The only vulgarity used between Muffy and myself was by good 'ole Muffy himself. This is not surprising, and is EXACTLY why I wouldn't meet him. It also helps expose the intelligence difference - if you must use vulgarity to make yourself feel better about yourself, then you just aren't that smart. And given how much vulgarity Muffy uses, I assume he has about an 8th grade education (which is surprising given his age - I would guess he is 50+ after seeing the pictures). Most people by then are somewhat civilized. Not in this case. I clearly made the right decision in this situation.

Case closed.
 
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