official preemptive presidential debate thread...
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Obama is by far the better counterpuncher in this format and is starting to get under John's skin, IMO.
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mccain won`t look at obama....that`s a poor presentation in a debate....
people interpret that as weakness...
people interpret that as weakness...
definitely disagree with that gw....
what people interpret as a weakness is when a candidate talks over the other candidate....or when a candidate makes a mistake with the other candidate's name...or when a candidate pulls an al gore & raises his hand (& i don't mena over your head)....
obama was better on the economy (was more detailed, actually answered the question), probably will be viewed more favorably on taxation, mccain finished strong with foreign policy.
I was disappointed with both of them regarding the economy. Same old BS...no response to the crisis at hand which tells you neither has a clue what to do about it.
I was disappointed with both of them regarding the economy. Same old BS...no response to the crisis at hand which tells you neither has a clue what to do about it.
and that was before the debate started...lol
i thought they were both weak and that the debate was scattershot....
Obama's really trying make sure there is no distinction between him and McCain. Fundamental difference? It's all becoming gray.
That's fantastic - Georgia and the Ukraine in NATO. What could possibly go wrong. All of our soldiers put at risk with one false move.
McCain's view of a banner of Putin as President in Georgia was funny - no shit, Mr. Foreign Policy - some of those Georgians don't want to be Georgians.
So, what Independent party should I vote for Dawgball?
did anybody else see the credits after the debate?....
"stage lighting provided by jill greenburg".....
"stage lighting provided by jill greenburg".....
I watched a good part of it - while watching the Twins suck ass against the Royals every so often. Doing my best to be objective, and before reading the thread here...I think both did well at face value.
If I had to judge a winner in the eyes of the public, I'd say McCain gained more from the night - but it should have easily been his night. I agree with the take on McCain avoiding direct contact with Obama, and his painful avoidance of looking at him. It's a debating strategy from someone presumed to be a stronger individual - to not give credence or credit in any way - and that's what McCain tried to do. Considering that the moderator was asking them to interact, especially, I would guess most thought favorably and strongly about Obama doing that, and it made him look stronger - and McCain weaker and more reserved.
I thought McCain showed a good range on foreign policy, and Obama had some good selective points. The McCain mantra about cutting spending showed through, and sounded good to Joe Sixpack and his base. I thought Obama sounded better overall on the economy, with some ideas and his reiteration about cutting taxes for almost everyone - and McCain didn't really knock that down. I thought Obama tied McCain to Bush pretty well, and McCain painted Obama as dangerous regarding dealing with despots.
They both scored some points, probably pulled some from the center. But I'd have to award the debate itself slightly to Obama, but the night and bigger public benefit to McCain.
Now, if we can just get Sarah on that stage with Biden, we'll see what a real debate loser looks like. She'll get roasted - if it ever happens. I'd assume Obama to do better in non-foreign policy debates. But I thought both did well, and I still honestly won't worry about either of them being president, especially considering Biden is on the ticket with Obama. Now, Palin - THAT's certainly a scary thing to me. We ALL stand to lose if that ever happens, and I really feel that way.
If I had to judge a winner in the eyes of the public, I'd say McCain gained more from the night - but it should have easily been his night. I agree with the take on McCain avoiding direct contact with Obama, and his painful avoidance of looking at him. It's a debating strategy from someone presumed to be a stronger individual - to not give credence or credit in any way - and that's what McCain tried to do. Considering that the moderator was asking them to interact, especially, I would guess most thought favorably and strongly about Obama doing that, and it made him look stronger - and McCain weaker and more reserved.
I thought McCain showed a good range on foreign policy, and Obama had some good selective points. The McCain mantra about cutting spending showed through, and sounded good to Joe Sixpack and his base. I thought Obama sounded better overall on the economy, with some ideas and his reiteration about cutting taxes for almost everyone - and McCain didn't really knock that down. I thought Obama tied McCain to Bush pretty well, and McCain painted Obama as dangerous regarding dealing with despots.
They both scored some points, probably pulled some from the center. But I'd have to award the debate itself slightly to Obama, but the night and bigger public benefit to McCain.
Now, if we can just get Sarah on that stage with Biden, we'll see what a real debate loser looks like. She'll get roasted - if it ever happens. I'd assume Obama to do better in non-foreign policy debates. But I thought both did well, and I still honestly won't worry about either of them being president, especially considering Biden is on the ticket with Obama. Now, Palin - THAT's certainly a scary thing to me. We ALL stand to lose if that ever happens, and I really feel that way.
