yes he did win, obama show no respect to sentor mccain , calling him john, i guess its a black thing:scared as i saw it a teacer teahing a student
official preemptive presidential debate thread...
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yes he did win, obama show no respect to sentor mccain , calling him john, i guess its a black thing:scared as i saw it a teacer teahing a student
After all that, when the wandering debater finally showed up Friday night, he just looked like a smallish, grayish, slightly grumpy guy with a grizzly obsession.
A simple trip to Mississippi turned into a saga featuring many, many rapidly changing story lines:
* Cancel the debate!
* Maybe cancel the debate!
* No debate unless Congress passes a financial rescue bill!
* No debate unless Congress has a plan to pass a financial rescue bill.
McCain returning to a Senate from which he has been AWOL so long that it?s believed his desk is now being used to store janitorial supplies. :mj07:
He raced there in answer to the crisis call, after a brief detour to New York to deliver a desperately needed speech on fossil fuels at the Clinton Global Initiative. He could not have sounded more filled with passion about service and country and the need for his leadership. Then he joined President Bush, Obama and members of Congress in a White House meeting that his campaign had orchestrated, where he sat in near-silence as a bipartisan consensus fell apart. :nono:
McCain stumbled over the name of the president of Iran and misstated the name of the new leader of Pakistan.:142smilie :142smilie
Foreign power expert :mj07:
uh Armadinna jackt, armadinnerjjeee, ajjddfjajacket, armeaident , areee :142smilie
McCain was crushed
A simple trip to Mississippi turned into a saga featuring many, many rapidly changing story lines:
* Cancel the debate!
* Maybe cancel the debate!
* No debate unless Congress passes a financial rescue bill!
* No debate unless Congress has a plan to pass a financial rescue bill.
McCain returning to a Senate from which he has been AWOL so long that it?s believed his desk is now being used to store janitorial supplies. :mj07:
He raced there in answer to the crisis call, after a brief detour to New York to deliver a desperately needed speech on fossil fuels at the Clinton Global Initiative. He could not have sounded more filled with passion about service and country and the need for his leadership. Then he joined President Bush, Obama and members of Congress in a White House meeting that his campaign had orchestrated, where he sat in near-silence as a bipartisan consensus fell apart. :nono:
McCain stumbled over the name of the president of Iran and misstated the name of the new leader of Pakistan.:142smilie :142smilie
Foreign power expert :mj07:
uh Armadinna jackt, armadinnerjjeee, ajjddfjajacket, armeaident , areee :142smilie
McCain was crushed
yes he did win, obama show no respect to sentor mccain , calling him john, i guess its a black thing:scared as i saw it a teacer teahing a student
i think he called him john (1 time he called him tom) because he wanted to show that he is on equal footing with the experienced mccain...
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damn body slam to AR
Geez Sponge, why dont you just say how you really feel about it:142smilie
With all due respect - and I do mean that - I think you are over the top with your assessments of this particular debate. Perhaps your wagers are getting to you, much like the candidate you are supporting...
tongue). As for the general public, much of what you put forth as losses for Obama seriously would be viewed as positives by many people. He did a much better job, in my view, of answering McCain's criticisms, and considering the majority of each question was DESIGNED to be open conversation that did not have specific rules or guidelines, there certainly should have been more interjections and near interruptions. I think Obama showed strength in immediately going after the McCain/Republican talking points, and he was able to interject "that's not true", and other comments immediately that caused doubt in what McCain was saying - to the viewer. For people who honestly don't know who they are voting for, and who have heard these talking points over and over again, to here them addressed by Obama quickly, and then with a follow up, was effective. McCain did very little of that, and Obama scored often with his talking points, because McCain was silent and dismissive.I can tell you that many people are extremely turned off by the dismissiveness and that style of communication - the same kind that we've endured for the past several years. I know what you are saying about the interruptions and mannerisms by Obama, but I didn't find it disruptive or rude, and considering it was mainly during the give and take part of the questions/discussions - 5 minutes or more for each question - it had an effective place in the debate. He didn't stop McCain from making his points, he allowed him to go on, and still managed to counter the claims at the same time.
There are different types of debates, some should not allow this kind of thing, but this one should - and Lehrer was even calling for the interaction. Obama became more comfortable with it - McCain never did. And he was less effective for it.
I disagree with your first comment completely. Most of the time Obama said he agreed with McCain on obvious things - that most know both agree with - and it was usually on the heels of some strong confrontational comment. It showed balance, confidence, and courtesy, right after something strong. Depending on the audience, or judge, it shows a positive trait, and lends credence to your position. An inability to ever admit someone else is right shows fear, and weakness. We certainly know that about Bush, and McCain was talking out of the same playbook. He's the same kind of guy as Bush in that regard. Short-tempered, dismissive, and unwilling to bend or admit when someone else could be right. I think many are sick and tired of that kind of leadership. I know I am. And I think it showed the same kind of thing that Obama is trying to present - more of the same - and he didn't even have to do anything except be himself. In watching those two last night, who would you presume would be more willing to work with other people in a tough situation? The answer is obvious - as far as the presentations last night. And that matters to some people, especially after the past few years.
I think you are correct that McCain was more direct and to the point. Was that ever in doubt? The problem for him remains that his direct positions are at issue, and many of them are either more of the same, or have completely changed to gain votes. And his direct comments, especially about Iraq, are not what most people want to here about many things.
Personally, I thought the strongest comment - it was after an Obama "interruption/talkover" was to the most liberal in the senate talking point. The comment: Most of my votes were against the policies of George Bush, so it's understandable that it would appear that way" was terrific, and scored points.
Just think you're over the top in the rating of this one, AR. But, you are under a lot of wagering pressure, I realize...hang in there, buddy.
With all due respect - and I do mean that - I think you are over the top with your assessments of this particular debate. Perhaps your wagers are getting to you, much like the candidate you are supporting...
I can tell you that many people are extremely turned off by the dismissiveness and that style of communication - the same kind that we've endured for the past several years. I know what you are saying about the interruptions and mannerisms by Obama, but I didn't find it disruptive or rude, and considering it was mainly during the give and take part of the questions/discussions - 5 minutes or more for each question - it had an effective place in the debate. He didn't stop McCain from making his points, he allowed him to go on, and still managed to counter the claims at the same time.
There are different types of debates, some should not allow this kind of thing, but this one should - and Lehrer was even calling for the interaction. Obama became more comfortable with it - McCain never did. And he was less effective for it.
I disagree with your first comment completely. Most of the time Obama said he agreed with McCain on obvious things - that most know both agree with - and it was usually on the heels of some strong confrontational comment. It showed balance, confidence, and courtesy, right after something strong. Depending on the audience, or judge, it shows a positive trait, and lends credence to your position. An inability to ever admit someone else is right shows fear, and weakness. We certainly know that about Bush, and McCain was talking out of the same playbook. He's the same kind of guy as Bush in that regard. Short-tempered, dismissive, and unwilling to bend or admit when someone else could be right. I think many are sick and tired of that kind of leadership. I know I am. And I think it showed the same kind of thing that Obama is trying to present - more of the same - and he didn't even have to do anything except be himself. In watching those two last night, who would you presume would be more willing to work with other people in a tough situation? The answer is obvious - as far as the presentations last night. And that matters to some people, especially after the past few years.
I think you are correct that McCain was more direct and to the point. Was that ever in doubt? The problem for him remains that his direct positions are at issue, and many of them are either more of the same, or have completely changed to gain votes. And his direct comments, especially about Iraq, are not what most people want to here about many things.
Personally, I thought the strongest comment - it was after an Obama "interruption/talkover" was to the most liberal in the senate talking point. The comment: Most of my votes were against the policies of George Bush, so it's understandable that it would appear that way" was terrific, and scored points.
Just think you're over the top in the rating of this one, AR. But, you are under a lot of wagering pressure, I realize...hang in there, buddy.
ok....:mj07: :mj07:
Debates are all about ?gotcha? moments. The only true gotcha moment I saw in last night?s debate was after McCain countered Obama?s criticism of his $300 billion tax cut plan for corporations with the premise that we have to cut taxes for corporations to prevent them from leaving the U.S. for more tax-friendly countries. Obama then countered by saying that?s ridiculous because there?s so many loopholes in the corporate tax code that most corporations end up paying less tax in the U.S. "GOTCHA!"
