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oak hill is an exremely difficult course.
i talked to a friend of mine today and he said they had add over 500 yards since
in the last year and the rough is very heavy and will demand accuracy from tee and also a good gir
stat. one early play

furyk -26 over weir pinnacle one unit
i if you have an account at bet and win its -111 there
i dont so i will use the -26 as my number
i think this number will go up so get in early

the key stats i used was that fairwys and green hit will be the key
furyk ranks 4 ikn driving accuracy and 7 in greens hit
while weir is 41 in driving accuracy and 38 in greens hit


also adding allenby over appleby

price is steep but all stats point to an easy win
gir stat off the charts 8 vs 136

total driving 14 vs 115

really like this one also

1 unit -33 pinnacle

i am adding a 1/2 unit play on els -04 at pinnacle

i have heard that their has been even more discord in the family
plus the stats poit to els

28th for gir for els vs 51 for love
14 for els in driving acc vs 45 for love


and this course demand fairways and greens


good luck
 

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in addition to our on site roving reporter twofingers(thank you) I thought this link might be of interest.

http://www.syracuse.com/golf/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1060763722274510.xml

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Adding 72 hole @ Sia
Baird -105 over Choi
U.S. open style may not suit Choi as he has been cut 2 of 3.
Went 79-74 this year as Baird placed 30th.
Also Baird ranking of 8th total driving and 2nd GIR should bode well here.
 
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Outrights:

(1) JimFuryk(16/1) for 0.50* e.w. @ Bet365
(2) Davis Love(20/1) for 0.50* e.w. @ Bet365
(3) Tiger Woods(+225) To Win for 1* @ Bet365

- - Stan's take on Furyk that he "is now a very strong contender whenever he tees it up" is an economical use of words that has been as accurate as a Furyk tee shot. Oak Hill clearly places the greatest premium on driving of any course this year, and while Mr. Furyk is so comfortably wearing the mantel of U.S. Open Champion and is freed of any nagging pressure that comes from wanting too hard to do well (but with the noteworthy twist of a missed cut at Sandwich), it seems like it is still very much his time . . . After Royal St. George's, I expected Davis Love to be steamed and steeled for the PGA, and I agree with Stan's proposition that "he is a likely champion", but this play bugged me to no end when I was forced to make it last Friday after DLIII popped the cork early on some fine vintage. One consolation is that I heard Love discuss on Sunday how he had a game plan to use The International as preparation for the PGA by using lots of 3 woods and long irons off the tees to emphasize hitting fairways and not be lured into a bombs away mentality. On the other hand, while it was not as straining as your typical wire-to-wire win, it was obviously a very emotional win . . . I always play Tiger to Win at a major championship, usually for the shortest odds I can play, as my twisted way of trying to insure against just such an outcome (I have been unwavering in liking and touting The Striped One since before he won his first U.S.G.A. Junior title, but I wouldn't hope to see Arnie win a U.S. Open by 15 shots or see any brash youngster win a Grand Slam, Tigerwise or otherwise). Looking back, I feel I've got full value for the money I've spent this year, as it is hugely surprising to me that T-4 in the British Open is Tiger Wood's best effort in a major this year. You can analyze Tiger's year and this tournament any way you want, but it will defy my understanding of the order of things if Woods is not primed to contend from start to finish this week.
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Prior to the U.S. Open, I posted Justin Leonard(50/1) as my top selection, . Thereafter, Stan posted a play on Leonard(22/1) as Top U.S. player without Woods, which was an option I had not even considered, but I knew almost immediately I would have preferred having played Leonard in that fashion and at that price (although neither approach panned out after a Sunday 75 took Leonard back to T-20). Regardless, I am now fascinated by these specialty markets in the major championships, as they seem to offer some really solid opportunities if your horse goes well, without an unmanageable risk of being aced out by who knows who in a full field. I like.

Top U.S. Player w/out Woods:
(1) Charles Howell(33/1) for 0.60* e.w. @ Bet365

I think the time and place are right for Charles to take another sure step on the road to challenging for the biggest titles on the best courses. I have no doubt he already has the all around game for these examinations if properly touched or ignited by the moment, and I know he is diligent and productive and constantly striving to improve the development and maturity of his swing and master the full range of his game. Although he is light on experience over the weekend, I am absolutely sure he is in his element at these championships. A solid season that is lacking a defining moment is very much due a dividend. I look at his pairing and I like the chances that that there will be some good golf played in that group and the fact that he goes off in the morning on the first day. Lastly, I strongly suspect the name of Ben Curtis has done nothing to discourage the ambitions and expectations of a growing posse of young guns. (One more thing: This article today fits my thinking that Charles is ready without it causing some additional pressure that would distract from his performance: http://augustachronicle.com/stories/081303/mic_MPS-5458.000.shtml) . . . . While I have several dollars on the 100/1 that is available for an outright win, I prefer looking to cash a ticket on Howell in this market. And with so much strength at the top of this market, and with plays already on Love and Furyk, it's not likely I'll go any deeper than this, although I'm still considering some proper way to feature Chris DiMarco, and I'm being tempted by a longshot play on Jeff Maggert at 100/1 in this market, since the setup is like a U.S. Open without the blue blazers.

Top European Player:
(1) Phillip Price(20/1) for 0.50* e.w. @ Bet365

Foremost perhaps, I think the dogs at the top of this market have a lot of fleas (not that the dog I'm backing is free of the same thing). I think the time is right as right can be for Price.

Top Rest of World :

I haven't found anything I couldn't resist in this market, which is a good thing if I plan on further exposure by jumping in with one or more outright plays in-running after the championship starts to take shape.
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Other angles I've cooked up . . . I think Sergio came away from Castle Pines looking discombobulated, and Darren Clarke may be the poster boy for some of the older boys demonstrating that the mile high experience in Colorado was less than ideal preparation (I'm almost sure Castle Pines is a typical modern course that was not designed with walking in mind) . . . Maybe Greg Norman's withdrawal saved his back for a big opening salvo . . . Thomas Bjorn can't have a full 72 holes left in his empty tank . . . And Ian Poulter can't chip and pitch and blast his away around these green sites well enough to do any serious damage, even if he is wearing blinders and manages for a while to continue striping his shots and putting the eyes out. (And an aside: I came across this article this week and it was LOL all the way: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/golf/story/0,10069,1016726,00.html Golf needs wings to stay fresh and healthy, but I hope the game never gets too far removed from the roots that constitute it's enduring appeal.)
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All right, I've still got a few minutes, so here is the deal on why I am so peeved about Davis Love:

Before the Scottish Open at Loch Lomond, I noted in a post that there were a couple of nameless players having career years that I was eyeing to make a mark at Sandwich the following week, and that I gave full deliberations to wagering on them a week in advance in case they pop early, but that I was passing because of their poor course form. The players were Brian Davis and Bradley Dredge, and I think both were at 50/1. Sure enough, despite a lack of course form, Dredge went T-10 and Davis T-20, and in tough conditions they didn't post a single round over par.

If you had asked me last week who I liked at Oak Hill, my answer would have been Davis Love. There is no question he is not the same "something wrong in his head" player he was coming into the year, and after the distractions of mid-year, he reconnected on a golfing trip through Great Britain (which I wish I had known about ahead of the championship), and he was back on track in a big way when his next a big moment arrived at Sandwich (although he clearly stumbled about over the weekend like the DLIII of old). And here's the point: With Love's last big opportunity to define his season in the PGA on the horizon, and with a lead-in at a course that suited him perfectly, I didn't immediately or even at the last moment recognize his potential for "popping early". While I very easily could have had a Poulter/Love parlay last week, instead I was Big on Poulter/Garcia (and small on Poulter/Lowery), and now I'm left with tablescraps on Love in a situation that has lost a good bit of its appeal. In fact, I was too pissed to even care about getting in an outright wager on Friday morning for the International when the handwriting was plainly on the wall.

While my approaches for handicapping golf are evolving all the time, and I expect all manner of bad beats once the strokes are being counted, I am getting sick and tired of my own stupidity and neglect in recognizing quite a number of engraved invitations for some serious runs for the money. And it really peeves when I am digging hard for some plays and not just going through the motions.
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Matchups (Tournament) for 1* each:

I have 3 Ball matches coming out of my ears that appeal and that I am likely to play, but I can't find one 72 hole matchup that I recognized as soon as I saw it, so I'm still sifting through the possibilities. In fact, I'm fairly disappointed in the lack of matchups and propositions that are generally available.

GL
 

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Robert Allenby really has a lot going for him in this weeks event,excepting his wretched putting. Bit concerned that he has not really shown in a major since this one last year but still worth the risk at 80/1 with Ladbrokes. Also like Stans play at top European.
Looked at lots of possibles this week including Estes, Di Marco and Johnathon Kaye who could be another Beem. Also see strong showings from Chad Campbell and Shaun Micheel.And of course I expect Tiger will be in the firing line.
But decided to play only Allenby in both markets.
 

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It was hot out there today. No rain and temps about 85+. They closed down the front nine at 3pm today so some golfers only got nine in.

Tiger played the back early and them ran into a log jam on the front and never made it back out. I only saw him for two holes today. he layed up off the tee on 12 and left his approach 20 feet from pin and 2 putted. Chris Riley played with him and holed out from 150 for an eagle on same hole. On 13, Tiger played it safe before the creek, 3 wood to within 30 yards of hole, approached and 2 putted for par. Tiger has to get the putter going if he is going to win and I have seen no indication that he will.

Sergio once again was all over the place in the three holes I saw. Two in the rough and one right on the fringe.

Greg Norman came within a few feet of a hole in one on #6.

Ian Poulter showed up with a bird nest hairdo, two tone. I am not sure if this is his normal hairdo or what but I was surprised.
 

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Yes, it's Poulter's normal hairstyle. He has it in the colours of his favourite soccer team, Arsenal. He has been given a verbal warning about his appearance by the European Tour so I would have thought he would have had to tone it down a lot this week :p

BTW Great post Lostinamerica :) I wish I had the time to offer my thoughts in such full detail.

Adding matchup play (1 unit):

Jeff Sluman to beat Scott McCarron -123 @ Five Dimes
Sluman had been in a five-missed-cut slump until a session with Bob Rotella, the sports psychologist, and the result was a 12th place finish in the Buick Open two weeks ago. It was a much need return to form as this is a very important tournament for him - he grew up in Rochester and was awarded honorary membership of the course when he turned pro. He's played it hundreds of times, but he also has to cope with the novelty of getting a standing ovation when he has walked onto the practise ground or onto the 1st tee. On a course he knows well and with confidence in his game, and therefore the ability to live up to local expectation, this should be a good week from Slu, particularly with the U.S. Open setup. That will severely harm McCarron chances this weeks who has nevertheless been 1-5-0 h2h against Sluman in the past three months when the Rochester native has not been at his best.
 

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Just read an article on M. Weir and it appears he is going into the tournament with a legit back strain.

Thought it was relevant.


For those who wish to read the article its at fan590.com (scroll down a bit on main page)
 
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L I A Do you have account @ 5 dimes. If you like Tiger you might like some of these props as you get several players with him.
Wouldn't it be nice if they let you parlay em.You sure could string one out with Tiger Victory.

741 WOODS/ELS WINS +210 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 742 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -250
743 WOODS/ELS/LOVE WINS +160 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 744 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -185
745 WOODS/ELS/LOVE/SINGH +129 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 746 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -149
747 WOODS/ELS/LOVE/SINGH/FURYK +102 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 748 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -122
749 ELS/LOVE/SINGH/FURYK +282 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 750 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -342
751 WOODS/LOVE/SINGH WIN +173 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 752 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -205
753 WOODS/LOVE/FURYK WIN +172 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 754 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -203
755 WOODS/SINGH/FURYK WIN +179 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 756 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -217
757 WOODS/ELS/SINGH WIN +168 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 758 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -195
759 WOODS/ELS/FURYK WIN +168 8/14/03 7:30 AM EST 760 FIELD WINS PGA CHAMP -195
761 WOODS/LOVE/SINGH/FURYK +140
 
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2003 PGA Championship plays

2003 PGA Championship plays

Jim Furyk WINS PGA CHAMPIONSHIP+16.00 1 Unit

Looks as this is a popular Play

Liked him in the US Open, Liked him in the Buick Open, Like him in the PGA. He keeps in play and with TwoFingers Reports, it will need to be in play from the tee. Jim's game to the green will excel and so will his stroke on the short hair. Really like the Team Jim and Fluff have formed. Wonder if Steve Duplantis will have a bag this week?

Chad Campbell OV/Peter Lonard-1.35 1 Unit

Chad has been my man in Match Ups. I thought he would struggle at The Open but he held his own. Like Stanley's write up concerning Appleby and Lonard. I believe Chad will have another solid Tourny.

I thought about making a Tiger play but didn't. Tiger will get his Top 10, I just want it to be 10.
 

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How could I have missed 2 fingers in the crowd of 25,000?

I too have been in attendance at Oak Hill the last 2 days and have a few observations:

Furyk is my OUTRIGHT play to win: 15-1 He looks awesome and seems to have a great work ethic. I watched him practice out of the long stuff on the range for about 1\2 hr and he was silky smooth. However, doubt he will be there much. His accuracy off the tee will be key.
I saw Tiger putting for 1\2 hr on Tues. He made 95% of his putts from 6 ft and under and about 60% of the longer ones. Only better putter I watched was Lee Janzen. Also, Tiger seems unfazed by the absolute CIRCUS atmosphere. He was focused today and seemed to drive well.
Woods Over Singh 10 units Woods to win: +285

Other players that looked strong:
KPerry 20-1
J Rollins 160-1. I was Very impressed with what I saw from him.
Longshots:
Riley 120-1
Monty 100-1

Course was still wet today and it was extremely HOT. the weather for the weekend is only to get warmer. Many players could get VERY frustrated in the hot and ROUGH. Even tempered players are the way to go.
I saw alot of guys putting it close to the pin today. But placements will be harder. My guess is that scoring will be lower than expected.

Will be right behind 1 tee tomorrow and will report back. Watch for the Whale and enjoy. Will write back with any info to help
 

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Whale,

I will be at the first tee for the Baird/Austin/Casey threesome. I have a wager on the outcome of that group.

Look for this face and I will buy you a beer.

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From article previously mentioned about Weir's back...

But Weir's focus is on the par-70, 7,134-yard East course at Oak Hill Country Club, a difficult layout that has been drenched by two weeks of steady rain.

"With the humidity in the air I think it's going to be a while before the sun will have a chance to dry it out," Weir said. "It might be a couple of days. The moisture is staying in there so the course is still very soft. The ball is picking up a little mud on the fairways so it makes for interesting approaches to the greens."

Due to the narrow fairways and long rough, Weir says the players that can drive the ball best this week will likely contend.

And those who don't?

"I think zero chance of winning, I really do," Weir said. "I don't think there's any chance of winning unless you're hitting upwards of 70 per cent of the fairways. Anyone hitting under 50 per cent of the fairways is really going to struggle."

The rough here at Oak Hill has the likes of even Tiger Woods shaking his head. It's long and thick and nearly impossible to hit a ball a long distance from.

"A good lie, you can move it 60-70 yards," Weir said. "A bad lie, maybe 20-30 yards. It's really sitting down in there."



I would have to agree with Whale. Furyk was hitting the ball as well as anyone out there. Very consistent off the tee. Hard not seeing him in contention on Sunday.
 

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Outrights :

1 Unit : Furyk 16/1

72 R Match Ups

1 Unit : Allenby -133 Applby @ Easybets
2 Units : Furyk -115 Love @ WWTS
2 Units: Perry -135 Mickelson @ MP

1st Round :

2 Units : Tway -0.5 -150 Daly @ WSEX
1 Unit : Perry -125 Mickelson @ WWTS
1 Unit : Perry -150 Mickelson/Bjorn @ Sportingbet
 

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Allenby 75-1 e/w
Micheel 400-1 0.5 unit place top 5 45-1 1 unit

72 hole matchups Allenby-125 over Cink
Singh +102 over LOve
Lehman +100 over Faxon

First round Micheel/Lankford -120 over K.Sutherland

And my favourite play 3 units Tway -132 over Jacobs/Daly
 

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Adding . . .

OUTRIGHT:

Paul Casey(150/1) for 0.40* e.w. @ 5 dimes


1ST ROUND LEAD:

Greg Norman(100/1) for 0.20* @ 5 dimes
Briny Baird(80/1) for 0.20* @ 5 dimes


MATCHUPS - GROUPS - PROPOSITIONS - 3 BALLS for 1* each:

Toms(-125) over Garcia (Ties Push) @ Bet365
Verplank(-130) over Kelly (Ties Push) @ Bet365
Riley(-110) over Appleby @ Olympic
Sluman(-135) over McCarron @ 5 dimes
Rose(-115) over M. Campbell @ 5 dimes

Allenby(+400) over Garcia/Harrington/Leonard/C.Campbell @ Bet365

Perry(+110) Better than 14.5 Place @ Bet365
Garcia(+160) Misses Cut @ 5 dimes
Casey(-145) Makes Cut @ 5 dimes

DiMarco(+120) over Clarke/ M. Campbell @ Bet365
Perry(+125) over Mickelson/Bjorn @ Bet365
Ames(+110) ovewr Crane/Schall @ Bet365
Tway(-110) over Jacobs/Daly @ Bet365
Lowery(+138) over Poulter/Hoch @ Bet365
Couples(+120) over Janzen/Duval @ Bet365

GL
 
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