RAYMOND and fletcher go "PAY"

[yyz]

Well, I finally took the time to read all of this! Damn, that's a lot of reading!

How is it, that a couple of guys post plays, day in and day out for free, and everybody eats it up.......Now, they want to be paid, and they are shit in some of your eyes?

1: They owe you nothing.

2: They are trying to make some "sure" cash. (What's wrong w/ that?)

3: They have made no waves here about it.

I don't get all the hate, and bad feelings going on. Only in sports betting, men. If they were on Wall Street, and called themselves Merril Lynch, it would be okay, huh? People pay stock brokers for advice every day, and no one says, "Oh, he's a scammer!" "Why doesn't he just put more in the market?" Give me a break!

I think if any of you guys who follow them make money, you would be willing to pay for that info! I never did a check on how they do, so I can't make a statement as to whether or not there is a value in buying their service........That would be up to their potential customers. I just don't understand all the, "Now, you will start to suck!" shit that I am seeing.

If they suck, they will fail......I am sure that they realize this fact. Let the guys do what they want, and quit all the crying. Christ, one would think that some of you HAVE to pay for this, like taxes, or something.

I have theories as to why some cappers go "tits up", and I will explain those in detail in a new thread in a day or two.

Ray and Fletch......I hope you make a bundle! I think it takes some balls to take a step like this, and that's what has some of these boys upset.

Good luck!

 

[Bama6895]

YYZ,

Good post. Main reason it was good was because it used COMMON SENSE. I think you hit the nail on the head with most everything you said.

 

[hello there]

Let Fletcher & Raymond do whatever they want, it's up to them. I don't know why this is such a big issue or people getting upset. Don't worry everyone, my picks will always be free, so everyone can rest easy

.

 

[DNOMYAR_5791]

fletcher and RAYMOND

Best of luck in your new venture. Hope it all works out

 

[prospector]

I think it takes some balls to take a step like this, and that's what has some of these boys upset.

i don't think it took balls to start the pay service.

but i do think it took balls to come here and be totally honest and upfront about it. i mean, they could have just started their service up and then slowly faded from here.

anyway, good luck to both of ya.
i hope you do well.

in fact, i hope to see a daily post on how your picks are making out on the paid service. i suppose some would consider that advertising though. i wouldn't. but some might.

gl

 

[djv]

Im going with you on this one Jack. And I just want to make it clear so I ask this questions. If someone buys there picks and decides to post them here. Will they be left up as other service picks that get posted. And now that they are for pay service. With that comes the load of folks who pay having the right to bitch. Will those who earn this right be allowed to bitch. I ask only due to bashing is out. But that is for those who offer up free picks. I believe if the table is level for ALL should be no problem. But I do not believe for the success of your site you can have it any other way. That also goes for bragging. If there that good people should be able tp say it. I know how pissed you were at me for getting on Hoops. That was not all his fault. But the way it came about was just bad timing. GL Ray/Fletcher. Sorry to see you go.

 

[yyz]

prospector,

If it didn't take balls to venture into that arena, everyone would do it, right? I mean, shit........I would love to make money from one side of the monitor to the other! The thing is, they are "taking a chance", while most other people sit back and whine about what a shitty shake they got out of life.

The do-ers do, while the bitchers bitch.

 

[bean counter]

you have to be kidding comparing feist to fletch and raymond. you will not have ray and fletch calling and bugging the hell out of you to buy the plays. feist and his crew basically play both sides of a game. take a look sometimes at all the guys in the feist group more often than not one will have one side and another of the group will have the other side. fletch and ray have been posting here a while now they did not post for a month and decide to do this they have given plenty of free advice. like they said they will still post a few free ones so i dont see the gripe. another thing to the couple on madjacks back get off this guy is honest and upfront as i have seen. in my opinion most of the folks here need madjacks more than madjack needs you all that is my opinion. another thing fletcher--raymond--madjack have done nothing but go out of their way for people if you have not seen that then you are not paying attention. raymond amazes me people talk garbage to him and he just shrugs it off look at some of their threads with picks how many times have you seen them post plays then the thread follows with tons of questions to them and for the most part they offer up all the help they can. and for those that dont want to pay then handicap the games yourself or find somebody else to follow but dont biotch when someone wants to make money off their knowledge and you are too lazy to do the work. good luck guys and look forward to the baseball season.

 

[Billy]

bean....I was waiting for that one post where I could chime in and
say, "Couldn't have said it better myself"......BINGO

 

[Patternseeker]

it seems to me that fletcher and RAYMOND actually like the people in this forum. i realize that will have nothing to do with how well they perform in their tout service, but for me, if i pay for their service, it would almost be like asking a friend who's a good capper to sell me his opinion. the stock market does it all the time. they tout stocks like it's nobody's business. and most of them don't know chit.

so in other words, i think these guys care if they win. and i'm old to have been around the block a time or two and had my arse handed to me.

don't pay; or pay. this is just two guys who most of us know on this forum as being straight up. take it or leave it. mj's is a great forum one way or the other.

and i think instead of beantownjim quotes, we need to find crap rat ones.

may the wind be at your back,
pattern

 

[ndnfan]

Fletcher and Raymond...........just wanna wish you good luck.

Personally, I would never pay for picks but if people are willing to pay for picks, I can think of no other better to buy them from than you guys....at least you know what you're doing. Hell, if you weren't picking winners over the long haul, there's no way your popularity would be so huge here and there's no way this announcement would be getting this many views (6716 as I write this!) . I do agree with alot of people here about the price I think the vast majority don't bet big enough to overcome your prices, but hey, that's just my opinion.

Again, good luck to you guys.


-ndnfan

 

[SixFive]

bean, to clarify if your post was directed at my comment, I wasn't comparing these guys to feist. Feist, Duffy, etc are the guys I personally think about when I think of a pay service. I don't think of honest people when I hear the word service, I think of the boiler room basement operation, the annoying NY accent, the promise of INFORMATION, and Proline, lol. Again, I have nothing personally against fletcher and RAYMOND as they seem nice enough, and I hope they win as I hope everybody here wins.

 

[bean counter]

no sixfive that was directed towards dawg2 page 5 at the top he asked what is the diff between ray and fletch and feist he does not see it. i would never stir anything up everyone has an opinion. i like feist site i use the matchup reports everyday but i would not pay for nothing from him. i have never talked to ray or fletch personally but the way they handle themselves with all the attention is great i know they have had a couple of days where they went off but for the most part the people deserved it. i am not saying pay for a service but if i did this would be it these guys are not throwing darts they put an extreme effort into it. you know by the way they answer questions and help everyone out here they will be good at customer service. i just dont see how you can mention feist fletch and ray in the same sentence. like i said good luck to everyone cant wait for the bases to start.

 

[raz19]

damn jack .. as soon as u get people on here who show to be good or above average cappers u incorporate them ... and the worst part is ..they r the same ones that used to say . keep this sight free from touts !!!! just another money making sight !!!
typical!!!!!! on the web!!!

 

[fletcher]

don't put words in my mouth because i have always said that i know quite a few guys who have honest services so spin that top somewhere else. i will stand by for somethings but not saying that i said something i know damn well i never once said .

whats the big deal there will still be plays some of you just don't read or just want to bitch.

 

[big joe]

I want to wish Fletcher and Raymond the very best in this new venture.
You guys have been fun and profitable to follow and you'll be missed here at Madjacks.
I'm probably going to follow you at your new place.
Again, thanks!

 

[scrubbo]

I think what some people are missing....

I think what some people are missing....

is that Raymond and Fletcher are legit handicappers not scamdicappers. I think if any of us proved, to jack, that we were consistent handicappers and we payed to advertise on his site he would gladly take our money and post our info. Its a big difference trying to tout ourselves, for free, on Jacks free forum. Its his house we must follow the rules.

 

[Neemer]

Since there appears to be quite a few LEGIT services out there, how bout giving me the names of say, 2-3. I'm being dead SERIOUS, b/c all I can find is the pond scum that's been mentioned numerous times in this thread. SERIOUSLY, can someone point a few out??

 

[fletcher]

sycamore sports very good in hoops
privite players of pittsburgh
alatex sports

there are many but you have to shift through the shit to find them ,also anyone that claims they are going to hit above 60% i would stay away from or they only play maybe 20-25 games.

just because you are honest still doesnot mean you will win but least it lets you know you will get the best shot from them and not be burnt then sold down the line number after number,emails coming from everyone and their game and phone calls from them all.

the 3 above have proven themself in the years.

 

[dr. freeze]

just wait til I get good in a few years.....Dr. Freeze's Sports Handicapping Service will hit 65%......lol......