Sandra Bland

[theGibber1]

Maybe she did it cause nobody in her family or friends gave a shit enough to bail her out????


:0003

May have been on to something here. Some dude she just moved in with said he would be there in an hour and never showed up or returned a call according to girl in next cell

"She said she kept on trying to call this one person that she moved in [with] here because she said she was from Chicago and ... she was like, ?It?s just not answering. It's going straight to voicemail and I don?t know why, I don?t know why. He said he'd be here in an hour and its days later,?" Pyle said.

 

[fatdaddycool]

remember...SHE didn`t know whether he was asking her to get out of the car because there was a bench warrant issued on her(which there easily could have been...she had no way of knowing)..and if there was,the cop certainly wasn`t going to tell her that before getting her out of the car.....he actually didn`t have to have a reason to ask her to get out of the car..it was a legal request......that`s where she went wrong....did it all go south from there?...obviously...

I haven`t gone back and read this entire clusterfuck of a thread so if this has been addressed my apologies....I`d still like some crack reporter to ask the family why they couldn`t come up with $500 to bail her out...if she was so troubled(as her family has indicated and her police record verifies) why didn`t they move heaven and earth(like you or I would have) to get her the $500 and get her out of the hoosegow as quickly as possible?....I don`t know the answer to that..i can`t imagine leaving a family member sitting in jail if I had the wherewithal to get them the hell out......they seem much quicker to hire an attorney than to get their loved one bailed out of jail.....I heard one of her sisters on the news and she was extremely well-spoken......maybe being a little quicker with the bail may have saved her life?....I think its a fair question...

is it possible that ms bland was in constant trouble with the law and the family just wasn`t willing to help her?....if that`s so,i think it`s relevant to the tragic result...it may not be a p.c. question,but,somebody should ask whether the family had $500 to bail their mentally ill loved one out of jail...

the cop will be hung,that`s a given.....maybe theres a good reason why the family left her in jail for 3 days...maybe the bail couldn`t be posted from out of state for some reason(you`d think they could contact a bailbondsman in the state,which she did,and have it handled).I can`t find the answer to these questions....have they been asked?.....

I think those questions need to be asked....

Weasie,
I love you brother, I really do, but this has to be the most ridiculous post I've ever seen you make.
SHE knew exactly why he asked her to get out of the car, and she HAD NO OUTSTANDING WARRANTS IN TEXAS! None, zilch, nada, zip.

A cop CANNOT LEGALLY ASK YOU TO EXIT A VEHICLE UNLESS HE GIVES A REASON!
That's the law, sorry if you don't like or agree with it, but that's the law. He told her to exit the vehicle 11 times without stating a reason and then told her she wad under arrest and pointed a taser at her face and said he'd "light her up". That was also illegal.

The traffic stop was over and complete. The officer re-engaged her after the fact not the other way around.

The bail was $5000 which means a bondsman in Texas takes 15% up front plus additional fees. It is 10% for misdemeanors plus fees, either way it's more than $500.

She didn't have an extensive police record Weasie and she wasn't mentally ill and to be honest it's awfully presumptuous to insinuate that about someone you've never met. She had been arrested before, so what. The worst thing she ever did was a dui for fucks sake. That doesn't make her a criminal. She had never been arrested for anything serious or that would indicate mental illness. Keep in mind, George W. Bush was arrested for a dui among other things, so if your trying to establish a nexus between her past indiscretions and her being mentally ill, start there.

The rest of your post is too far reaching to even make sense. She had extended family in Texas and Illinois. She called them Saturday and they were set to bail her out Monday morning.

You see here in Texas you pay bail to the county clerk. Once they receive and post your bail money they contact the county lock up or municipal police where she's being held to tell them they've received her bail. Then they release the prisoner. Do me a favor and call your county clerks office today and check on their hours this weekend. When you're done with that maybe you can address your questions concerning why she was still there rather than make outrageous assumptions about her personal life and what you know about it.

I understand you have your opinion of "all cops good, arrested people bad" but such a simplistic mantra didn't work for the sheep on Animal Farm either as they just don't hold up in real life.

The cop should be hung, no doubt. I'm sorry but using your position as a public servant and guardian of liberty to harass and ultimately cause the death of an innocent person is absolutely reprehensible to me as I am a true believer of justice and freedom. I'm not one that makes allowances for such things or people that take advantage of and use others for egomaniacal purpose like this officer did.

In closing, there was nothing her family could do to get her out of jail until Monday.

More importantly, there is no legal reason she should have been there in the first place, which is exactly what the state attorney's office said yesterday in a statement. So rather than speculate about an innocent victim's mental state prior to her death, maybe we can all focus that eager energy on finding out why our law enforcement officials keep killing them.


Hope this helps,
FDC

 

[fatdaddycool]

May have been on to something here. Some dude she just moved in with said he would be there in an hour and never showed up or returned a call according to girl in next cell

"She said she kept on trying to call this one person that she moved in [with] here because she said she was from Chicago and ... she was like, ?It?s just not answering. It's going straight to voicemail and I don?t know why, I don?t know why. He said he'd be here in an hour and its days later,?" Pyle said.

What would he be onto Gibber? What the hell does that have to do with a damn thing. The issue isn't why she was getting someone's voicemail, the issue is why the officer escalated an illegal traffic stop into an arrest for no reason. Geezus.

 

[The Boys]

seriously, haven't you guys beaten this dead horse into the ground long enough yet?

 

[Cie]

seriously, haven't you guys beaten this dead horse into the ground long enough yet?

Have you beaten the dead "you are all inferior and jealous of my high end Prada/ cigar/escorts/vegan son/ fancy salt/strip mall sushi lifestyle" horse?

 

[The Boys]

Have you beaten the dead "you are all inferior and jealous of my high end Prada/ cigar/escorts/vegan son/ fancy salt/strip mall sushi lifestyle" horse?

I see you know a lot about me, thanks for being a fan.

 

[Dead Money]

One last horse beating

One last horse beating

Saw on news the funeral was today, and the family came up with the coin for their own independent autopsy.

Yet they could not come up with $500 bail money? x34:

 

[Sportsaholic]

Saw on news the funeral was today, and the family came up with the coin for their own independent autopsy.

Yet they could not come up with $500 bail money? x34:

Maybe Uncle Al dug deep.....:shrug:

 

[fatdaddycool]

Saw on news the funeral was today, and the family came up with the coin for their own independent autopsy.

Yet they could not come up with $500 bail money? x34:

You are misinformed. They could not post bail until Monday. They had raised the money to bail her out but the county clerk doesn't work weekends. If you get arrested after 5p in a Friday in Texas for something other than a class c you're in until Monday morning. That is what happened, if you care to know the truth. I'm sure you'd rather not denigrate the family of a dead young innocent woman. ....... right?

 

[ChrryBlstr]

To all the police apologists, well, according to the Supreme Court of the country, it appears that you are misinformed.

What The Supreme Court Ruled On the False Arrest of Sandra Bland
July 24, 2015 5:02 pm?

Since the newly released video of Texas State Trooper Brian Encinia detaining then arresting Sandra Bland, it has become clear that the entire arrest was itself illegal.

The African American civil rights and police accountability activist had simply asserted her rights, when the trooper gave her unlawful orders, which were only permissible if phrased (and accepted) as requests.

Three days after the false arrest, Bland was found dead in her jail cell.

Now, since that death, the video footage of the dashcam stop has come under increasing scrutiny. But long before it was judged in the court of public opinion, traffic stops just like the one in question were ruled on by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Democratic Texas state Senator Royce West weighed in on the video, saying that ?once you see what occurred, you will probably agree with me she did not deserve to be placed in custody.?

The United States Supreme Court has proven to agree with this position.

Encinia?s conduct clearly violates a decision handed down by the Supreme Court last April.

In the case of Rodriguez v. United States it was determined that police were not allowed to extend the length of a routine traffic stop. That ruling effected lengths of even a few minutes, unless there was a clearly demonstrable safety concern or an additional crime that had been committed in the course of the stop.

But what is clear now, from the video, is that there was no other crime, nor a safety concern. The officer was acting in violation of the law, as defined by the Supreme Court.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg broke it down like this, saying that ?[t]he tolerable duration of police inquiries in the traffic-stop context is determined by the seizure?s ?mission? ? to address the traffic violation that warranted the stop, and attend to related safety concerns.? A police stop ?may ?last no longer than is necessary to effectuate th[at] purpose.? Authority for the seizure thus ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are ? or reasonably should have been ? completed.?

Encinia was clearly completing the traffic stop when he escalated things because of Bland?s refusal to put out her cigarette. He later even indicates in the video that she had been ?trying to sign the fucking ticket? when things got ugly.

That means his extension of the stop past that point ? when there was no safety concern, nor any criminal offense that had been committed during the stop at that point ? constituted illegal detention and a subsequent false arrest.

Trooper Encinia broke the law and he is not being held accountable for it.

The fact is that a lit cigarette has no jurisprudencial precedence in being regarded as a ?safety threat? to police officers. He had no grounds to tell her to put it out, nor did he even phrase his request as a command.

Encinia, in fact, neglected to even mention the cigarette in his official incident report. He also failed to mention his threats or the fact that he pulled and aimed his Taser at Bland over this illegal command.

It is clear from the video that the Supreme Court ruling is directly relevant to this case. Trooper Encinia made a false arrest, and in this case, he is not exempted by qualified immunity. He can and should be held accountable and punished for the false arrest.

(Article by Reagan Ali, M. David and S. Wooten)

Peace!

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/07/what-the-supreme-court-ruled-on-the-false-arrest-of-sandra-bland/

 

[Dead Money]

You are misinformed. They could not post bail until Monday. They had raised the money to bail her out but the county clerk doesn't work weekends. If you get arrested after 5p in a Friday in Texas for something other than a class c you're in until Monday morning. That is what happened, if you care to know the truth. I'm sure you'd rather not denigrate the family of a dead young innocent woman. ....... right?

OK Bait-master, please post link....thanks in advance...:0074

 

[fatdaddycool]

Thank you for posting this cb, I forgot about the ruling itself but knew it was an illegal arrest.

Many on here will still choose to blame the victim and favor the criminal. I guess the comfort of apathy outweighs sense and justice.

 

[Skulnik]

To all the police apologists, well, according to the Supreme Court of the country, it appears that you are misinformed.

What The Supreme Court Ruled On the False Arrest of Sandra Bland
July 24, 2015 5:02 pm?

Since the newly released video of Texas State Trooper Brian Encinia detaining then arresting Sandra Bland, it has become clear that the entire arrest was itself illegal.

The African American civil rights and police accountability activist had simply asserted her rights, when the trooper gave her unlawful orders, which were only permissible if phrased (and accepted) as requests.

Three days after the false arrest, Bland was found dead in her jail cell.

Now, since that death, the video footage of the dashcam stop has come under increasing scrutiny. But long before it was judged in the court of public opinion, traffic stops just like the one in question were ruled on by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Democratic Texas state Senator Royce West weighed in on the video, saying that ?once you see what occurred, you will probably agree with me she did not deserve to be placed in custody.?

The United States Supreme Court has proven to agree with this position.

Encinia?s conduct clearly violates a decision handed down by the Supreme Court last April.

In the case of Rodriguez v. United States it was determined that police were not allowed to extend the length of a routine traffic stop. That ruling effected lengths of even a few minutes, unless there was a clearly demonstrable safety concern or an additional crime that had been committed in the course of the stop.

But what is clear now, from the video, is that there was no other crime, nor a safety concern. The officer was acting in violation of the law, as defined by the Supreme Court.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg broke it down like this, saying that ?[t]he tolerable duration of police inquiries in the traffic-stop context is determined by the seizure?s ?mission? ? to address the traffic violation that warranted the stop, and attend to related safety concerns.? A police stop ?may ?last no longer than is necessary to effectuate th[at] purpose.? Authority for the seizure thus ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are ? or reasonably should have been ? completed.?

Encinia was clearly completing the traffic stop when he escalated things because of Bland?s refusal to put out her cigarette. He later even indicates in the video that she had been ?trying to sign the fucking ticket? when things got ugly.

That means his extension of the stop past that point ? when there was no safety concern, nor any criminal offense that had been committed during the stop at that point ? constituted illegal detention and a subsequent false arrest.

Trooper Encinia broke the law and he is not being held accountable for it.

The fact is that a lit cigarette has no jurisprudencial precedence in being regarded as a ?safety threat? to police officers. He had no grounds to tell her to put it out, nor did he even phrase his request as a command.

Encinia, in fact, neglected to even mention the cigarette in his official incident report. He also failed to mention his threats or the fact that he pulled and aimed his Taser at Bland over this illegal command.

It is clear from the video that the Supreme Court ruling is directly relevant to this case. Trooper Encinia made a false arrest, and in this case, he is not exempted by qualified immunity. He can and should be held accountable and punished for the false arrest.

(Article by Reagan Ali, M. David and S. Wooten)

Peace!

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/07/what-the-supreme-court-ruled-on-the-false-arrest-of-sandra-bland/

Idiot.

JMO

 

[MadJack]

Idiot.

JMO

:mj07:

 

[fatdaddycool]

OK Bait-master, please post link....thanks in advance...:0074

Link for what? The story or the county clerks hours? Read the article yourself.

I live here, I've been arrested here, I have friends that have been arrested here. I know how it works. Look it up for yourself, you posted the bullshit, beating up on a dead woman's grieving family, the responsibility for accuracy is on you not me.

How about you post the link that says her family didn't have money for bail? How about you back up your assertions and innuendo about the victim's grieving family. Maybe you can make a joke about her education or maybe photo shop a dick on her mugshot, wouldn't that be fun?


Hope this helps,
FDC

 

[Dead Money]

Link for what? The story or the county clerks hours? Read the article yourself.

I live here, I've been arrested here, I have friends that have been arrested here. I know how it works. Look it up for yourself, you posted the bullshit, beating up on a dead woman's grieving family, the responsibility for accuracy is on you not me.

How about you post the link that says her family didn't have money for bail? How about you back up your assertions and innuendo about the victim's grieving family. Maybe you can make a joke about her education or maybe photo shop a dick on her mugshot, wouldn't that be fun?


Hope this helps,
FDC

You seemed to speak with authority, tried to bait me, I simply asked for you to back it up with tangible facts.

I have never been arrested, never had friends arrested...guess I keep my nose clean.

If its too much bother, we all understand....

 

[fatdaddycool]

I did back it up with tangible facts. They are readily available for your review at the Texas State government website.

I'm not sure how you think I tried to bait you when you're the one that made the ignorant post. I simply pointed out the ignorance.
Who exactly is we all and who gave you authority to speak for them?

Great, you keep your nose out of trouble and out of the books as well I see.

Again, your ignorance is on you. You're the one making inappropriate comments.

 

[Sportsaholic]

I did back it up with tangible facts. They are readily available for your review at the Texas State government website.

I'm not sure how you think I tried to bait you when you're the one that made the ignorant post. I simply pointed out the ignorance.
Who exactly is we all and who gave you authority to speak for them?

Great, you keep your nose out of trouble and out of the books as well I see.

Again, your ignorance is on you. You're the one making inappropriate comments.

Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make us ignorant....,just different views on life, situations......you get so angry on these subjects when you don't need to.....:shrug:

 

[Dead Money]

I did back it up with tangible facts. They are readily available for your review at the Texas State government website.

I'm not sure how you think I tried to bait you when you're the one that made the ignorant post. I simply pointed out the ignorance.
Who exactly is we all and who gave you authority to speak for them?

Great, you keep your nose out of trouble and out of the books as well I see.

Again, your ignorance is on you. You're the one making inappropriate comments.

WOW is all I can say, I know you will throw some cute something back at me for saying this, and I am not being a smart ass, but, I suspect that a group of seasoned therapists would undoubtably collectively give their right arms to sit you down and see where you went seriously "off the tracks".

The analysts might throw this term at you, maybe not...

God complex
A person is who is said to have a "God complex", does not believe he is god, but acts so arrogantly that he might as well believe he is God or appointed to act by God.
Some believe that "God complexes" are particularly common in arrogant, highly educated, worldly, or powerful people.

Best wishes to you and yours...

 

[buddy]

Tony Norman: Jail death followed vindictive policing
July 24, 2015 12:00 AM

By Tony Norman / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I?ve been thinking a lot lately about Sandra Bland, the Texas motorist who was arrested by a state trooper and held for days after changing lanes without signaling.

The dashcam footage of their fateful encounter shows an irritated Ms. Bland interacting with equally irritated Texas trooper Brian Encinia.

What should have been a routine ticketing on Trooper Encinia?s part escalated into an exchange of angry words after he returned her registration and license to her.

When Ms. Bland refused to put out the cigarette she was smoking in her own car, Trooper Encinia ordered her out of the vehicle.

Ms. Bland initially refused, then complied when he threatened to ?light her up? with a Taser.

Seconds later, after they were out of dashcam range, Trooper Encinia apparently threw Ms. Bland, who was neither intoxicated nor armed, to the ground.

She was handcuffed and taken to jail.

On the third day of her incarceration for failing to signal while changing lanes and for resisting arrest by allegedly kicking Trooper Encinia, Ms. Bland was found dead in her jail cell.

The official story is that she took her own life by somehow using a plastic garbage bag to hang herself.

I have my doubts about every aspect of this story.

The fact is that the trooper arrested Ms. Bland because he was upset that she defied him, ever so briefly.

There was no smell of marijuana in the car.

She was not harboring illegal aliens or hauling suspicious packages.

He could very easily have let her go after giving her a ticket, but he needed a pretext to arrest her.

He wasn?t interested in de-escalating the conflict.

On her part, Ms. Bland didn?t bother to disguise her contempt for the arbitrary nature of the stop.

She knew that an African-American woman was being subjected to implicit racial bias even if the white state trooper wouldn?t acknowledge it.

She could hear his disrespect for her rights as both a black woman and an ordinary citizen who refused to acquiesce to an insecure cop ? one who was determined to assert his legal authority at the expense of any real moral authority.

Trooper Encinia had the advantage.

He knew the U.S. Supreme Court would sanction his every move.

Cops are given breathtaking latitude to make arrests.

Like most citizens, Ms. Bland had only the vaguest notion of what her rights were during a police stop.

Her ignorance of the law would be used against her by a vindictive trooper who was willing to turn a routine traffic stop into a financial hole that would keep her in jail indefinitely.

Ms. Bland?s bond was $5,000 ? money she didn?t have, making the length of her stay as a guest of the state indefinite.

Had Ms. Bland been more acquiescent during the traffic stop ? more apologetic, passive and, let?s be real, white ? she presumably would still be alive today.

But ordinary citizens are expected to cower in the presence of police authority or risk arrest ? or worse.

Even by the most authoritarian-friendly interpretation of the law, what happened to Sandra Bland was not ?justice,? though it was legal.

Such willful oppression of ordinary citizens of all colors is practiced with impunity every day in every state by insecure men and women who are grateful for the public?s indifference.

This is intolerable and shouldn?t happen in a democratic society.

I have no idea whether Ms. Bland killed herself in a fit of despair, as the authorities insist, or was hanged by hands unknown for reasons unknown, but she didn?t deserve to be in that jail cell in the first place.

A whole genre of videos on YouTube show ordinary citizens in tense encounters with police and with immigration officials manning checkpoints miles inside the United States.

The videos usually feature young, articulate men, frequently white but also a few Hispanics. They calmly assert their rights as American citizens to drive unmolested and without fear of unlawful search and seizure by police.

After a few minutes of hostile cross-talk, the drivers are usually sent on their way by officers too spooked to mess with folks capable of citing the Constitution before the cuffs come out.

It probably isn?t something that everyone can get away with, but it does demonstrate the value of knowing one?s rights.

At least a few citizens are doing their part to reclaim some measure of dignity in this democracy. That?s a start.


Tony Norman: tnorman@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1631; Twitter @TonyNormanPG.

11 Comments ~

Oren Spiegler 2 days ago

If every individual was pulled over by a police officer for failing to signal a lane change, there would likely not be enough citation paper available to cover the infraction. Many motorists are too busy simultaneously smoking, texting, talking on the phone, applying makeup, drinking, eating, and reading to bother with providing the courtesy and safety of using a turn signal. Perhaps the feature should no longer be included on our vehicles. The exchange between the officer and Ms Bland is suspicious and also causes a reasonable person to question the manner in which she died and what immediately preceded her death.
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David Hammond 2 days ago

Tony makes the point that peaceful, acquiescent, surrender to the whims of cops is the argument made in order to place blame on Sandra Bland for her own circumstances.

This viral video from a few years ago belies that. It shows a motorist stopped by a trooper who cusses about his ticke while calling the cop swearword names. The trooper calmly goes about his business and gets the ticket issued and the driver leaves. This should be required viewing in all police training courses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNNz5kl4w-A
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Victor Edwards 2 days ago

The video from a few years ago has zero to do with the case in point today. Want to have peaceful, successful interactions with the police? Treat them with respect and obey their orders. End of problem - in fact, no problems at all!
This women was getting a warning - not even a citation. So she already caught a break. Instead of accepting that and moving on she chose to escalate. Not smart.
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Ned Twyman 1 day ago

I don't know what video you watched, but the cop was CLEARLY the one who escalated the situation. Smoking a cigarette in your car isn't against the law and he was obviously looking for an excuse to further throw around his authority. I hope the guy loses his job. totally unprofessional on his part. This is not a police state, yet.
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David Hammond 22 hours ago

Well that video has EVERYTHING to do with the Sandra Bland case. Her behavior was nowhere hear as egregious as the man's in the video and there was nothing illegal about it. Even other police officers have weighed in and the Texas tropper is clearly wrong in his actions.
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dave rosen 1 day ago

I have to wonder about folks who despise the government and government officials and hurl invectives at them, go all-out submissive when they tell everyone to obey every police demand, act subdued, be very respectful and never shall engle them about anything. Phoneys
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David Hammond 22 hours ago

I bet there are substantial numbers of folks who find nothing wrong with how Sandra Bland was treated who were applauding Cliven Bundy's defiance of federal officals.
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Mary DeVaughn 2 days ago

When the police pull you over, just stop and see what they want.
Yeah, 'cause that worked out so well for Jonny Gammage.
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Victor Edwards 2 days ago

I think Johnny forgot the part about obeying the police and not resisting arrest.
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Mary DeVaughn 1 day ago

Arrest. Right.
For "tapping his brakes"? Which I would do myself driving down that bit of 51 -- because *it's a HILL.* Being female, Caucasian, and OLD, I think I'd be pretty safe in doing so.
Not only "why were they arresting him" -- why did they STOP him in the first place?!
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John Butela 18 hours ago

If YOU were not in the police car, then YOU have no right whatsoever in questioning the police motives. YOU weren't there. You're making a lot of broad assumptions, because you simply dislike cops. Admit it.
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