so if auburn is overated...

[Gators4Life]

I'm sorry but USC does not have the best SOS over any SEC team. Just go check out the Gators' schedule.

Put any SEC team in the top 10 (LSU, Auburn, Florida, hell even a healthy UGA) in a PAC 10 schedule and they could run the table and do their thing.

To say USC has played a "tough schedule" so far is rediculous. Nebraska is overrated; they barely beat Kansas. Kansas is a good squad, but nothing like Tennessee, LSU, healthy UGA, Auburn, hell even South Carolina.

I'm sick and tired of the PAC10 and its bs setup that allows just about any team from their division to get a likely BCS NC title game. If you win out in the SEC, you still have to play a title game for the SEC Championship, and that game is likely against someone you've already beat this year.

SEC > PAC10 any day of the week.

 

[dlvlsu]

Can you people read?? Who said LSU should be ranked ahead of USC????? War Eagle you better be glad you dont face LSU in Atlanta!! You may not make it for either game!! Your defense sux!! Six calls buddy and 4 game changing!! Everyone saw and realize what happened!! Even Auburn fans that know football saw and admitted they got lots of help!! Auburn won the game but it was tainted big time!! If you can't admit that your the "MORON"!!!!! oh and by the way we played Miami in the peach bowl drilled their ass you played ummm Wisky and got drilled so run that head some more!! Are all fans(hope your not a capper) blind or can any see the overall picture??? No wonder sports books are popping up all over the world!!

 

[dlvlsu]

Gators4life Your absolutely correct but these sports illiterates on here cant see that. 4 teams in top 10, 2 in top 5 says it all!! You could put the best teams in the pac-10 for the last 20 years in the SEC and they would have 2 losses more a year no doubt!!

 

[dlvlsu]

ageecee
LSU one quality opponent #2 team in the country
USC one quality opponent not even ranked and a team LSU's Quality opponent(AUBURN) drilled!! USC barely beat them(WASH ST) and a team(ARIZONA) that LSU destroyed!! ANYTIME USC wants to play an SEC schedule come and get it!! I think most knowledgeable fans and coaches from Pac-10 wouldnt want that at all!!

SEC most dominate football conference period!!
JUST LOOK IN THE TROPHY CASE!!!

 

[Gators4Life]

I'm not going to get into the "Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C, therefore Team A would beat Team C" argument here.

All I have to say is...if Florida or Auburn goes undefeated and wins the SEC Championship, there is no conceivable way that team could be placed in anything but the National Title game.

I say this with full confidence because:
1) Michigan and Ohio State will meet in the Big Ten conference championship
2) USC is already ranked #3 in one of the polls
3) WVU is in the Big East...nuff said
4) Florida and Auburn have SoS over USC

So...take the top six as indisputable:
1) OSU
2) Auburn
3) USC
4) WVU
5) Florida
6) Michigan

If Michigan and OSU run the table, they will meet in their conference championship. The winner of that game is, without a doubt, the best in the country.

If Florida gets past LSU and Auburn in the next two weeks, I think it is fairly certain they will be number two in the nation. Knocking off two top-10 teams back-to-back, one on the road, would certainly be a nice foundation for that logical argument. Florida would then go on to likely play Auburn again after Auburn picks off Arkansas and Georgia. If Florida beats them twice in the same year, and goes undefeated, you cannot deny them a National Title Bid. If anybody did that, it would clearly be biased and college football would likely be ruined after that, sparking all sorts of controversy...especially after this happened to Auburn a few years ago.

Now, lets say Auburn runs the table . That means they would either go on to play Florida or Georgia in the SEC championship; teams they have already played and beat. For the same reasons listed for Florida, how can you possibly deny Auburn again?

Now, lets examine USC. They play four ranked teams (at the moment). Wow, thats odd, UF and Auburn play four teams in the top 10. Not to mention, USC would be playing Oregon (who should have clearly lost to a diluted Oklahoma), Cal (who lost its opener to Tennessee), and Notre Dame (who is so wishy-washy that its hard to tell if they are good and lazy, or just flat out lucky). If they do run the table, I can see placing them behind undefeated Big Ten and SEC champs, but nothing more. USC doesnt even play a conference championship. I dont think any conference should be allowed into the BCS without at least hosting their own championship first. SEC team goes undefeated playing 13 games with the best SoS in the nation, and then USC goes undefeated playing 12 games in the PAC10? Lets be serious for a minute...and not laugh at the thought of USC being ranked above that undefeated SEC champ...:mj07: I couldn't hold it in either.

Now WVU...its the Big East. They play Louisville and a few other teams. No cake-walk, but not quite the road OSU, Michigan, Florida, Auburn, or USC have to walk.

So...this is how my final top 5 would go for undefeated teams:
1) Big Ten champ
2) SEC champ
3) USC
4) WVU
5) Maybe the Big 12 champ

Again, that top 5 is assuming undefeated teams. It would be far too complex to explain the final top 5 if certain teams have only one loss per team (for instance, UF/Auburn, OSU/Michigan).

 

[dlvlsu]

Nice write up and I agree!!

 

[thom24ad]

My 2 Cents

My 2 Cents

One thing remains true OSU is indisputable #1 in the country...:clap:

No way should Auburn considered over-rated, look SC is a solid ball team and looks like Spurrier found his QB in Newton...Yes, Auburn had a poor defensive game plan for Newton and lets consider how many things went SC's way in that game...they converted a good number on fourth downs and I think one was on their own 30-yard line down by two TDs...considering all the intangibles for that game that was going to be a tough for Auburn to win...

Besides its a toss up from 2-6...and the remaining games will help determine the final rankings...but one thing worries me...who goes if there is no undefeated teams or multiple undefeated teams...I'm have this sick feeling in my stomach that the BCS is going to fawk things up...give us a fawking playoff already!!!

 

[Scott4USC]

USC has played 4/4 BCS opponents. LSU has only played 3/5 BCS opponents. On top of that, USC played 3/4 road games to start season. LSU 4/5 games @home. NO comparison, MUCH tougher schedule for USC. You can't even debate it.

2 polls that are important are COACHES POLL and HARRIS POLL in terms of BCS pts.

USC was VERY vulnerable early in year and now USC got past that. Next 4 games for USC are the easiest stretch in USC's schedule. Therefore, USC will OPEN up the offense and dominate opponents like they always do in the PC era. USC O was very conservative in 1st 4 games because they bringing booty slowly. Now they will unleash him and throw downfield etc.

Then USC takes on the brutal part of the schedule in Oregon, CAL, ND and @UCLA all in a row.

Right now USC is #2 in both polls HARRIS and COACHES. Every team behind USC needed to jump USC NOW but they didn't. It is very unlikely USC will be jumped in the next 4 weeks blowing out opponents and looking strong. Booty will be mentioned for Heisman etc. Then in the stretch run, USC will be beating Oregon, CAL, ND, and UCLA, all quality opponents. You honestly think USC will be passed up in the polls after beating those teams? I'll have to see it to believe it. In November, it is VERY difficult for a team to jump someone in the polls. Not saying it can't be done but very unlikely. The only poll USC is #3 is AP which is not included in the BCS formula. USC and Ohio St. def. have the inside track if they win out, and lucky for USC, they have all their toughest opponents waiting at the end of the season back to back to back to back which will be enough to prevent anybody to jump them. Polsters will be impressed week after week.

Whether you agree or not, USC is the team that can beat OSU in Jan. Polsters will feel the same way and want a USC vs OSU matchup. OSU is not more talented than USC and at the end of the year, USC's talent will have matured and everyone will take notice. USC vs Oklahoma, USC vs Texas, star power vs star power. USC has proven itself to be top program in the country and they will want Ohio St. to win its BCS NC by beating USC. Oh yeah, Big 10 vs Pac 10 makes the matchup that much better!

REALITY CHECK for everyone. In last weeks game @WSU, USC had 2 returning starters from last year starting on defense. On offense, USC had only 3 returning starters starting from last year on offense. YEP, that is how talented USC is. Mostly frosh, sophs and juniors playing. They are 4-0, 3 wins on the road, #4 ranked SOS, ALL BCS OPPONENTS who are giving USC all they got. In the next 4 weeks USC will turn itself into the machine everyone is accustomed too seeing. Don't worry, the blowouts are coming and the polsters will take notice. Oh wait, they already have. USC is #2 in both BCS polls.

As for SOS, I said right now USC is ranked higher than every SEC team and USC closes the season strong against their toughest opposition. POLSTERS will be impressed. Auburn and LSU will never challenge in the computer polls with their schedules. Florida might have a strong computer rating. Remember, Florida played and plays Southern Miss, UCF, and Western Carolina. Also play bad SEC teams in Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina. FL does play great teams in LSU and Auburn but that prob. won't be enough to overcome USC's SOS.

Lastly, the Pac 10 teams all play each other in conf. play. NO NEED FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!

 

[Mr Hockey]

I'm not going to get into the "Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C, therefore Team A would beat Team C" argument here.

All I have to say is...if Florida or Auburn goes undefeated and wins the SEC Championship, there is no conceivable way that team could be placed in anything but the National Title game.

I say this with full confidence because:
1) Michigan and Ohio State will meet in the Big Ten conference championship
2) USC is already ranked #3 in one of the polls
3) WVU is in the Big East...nuff said
4) Florida and Auburn have SoS over USC

So...take the top six as indisputable:
1) OSU
2) Auburn
3) USC
4) WVU
5) Florida
6) Michigan

If Michigan and OSU run the table, they will meet in their conference championship. The winner of that game is, without a doubt, the best in the country.

If Florida gets past LSU and Auburn in the next two weeks, I think it is fairly certain they will be number two in the nation. Knocking off two top-10 teams back-to-back, one on the road, would certainly be a nice foundation for that logical argument. Florida would then go on to likely play Auburn again after Auburn picks off Arkansas and Georgia. If Florida beats them twice in the same year, and goes undefeated, you cannot deny them a National Title Bid. If anybody did that, it would clearly be biased and college football would likely be ruined after that, sparking all sorts of controversy...especially after this happened to Auburn a few years ago.

Now, lets say Auburn runs the table . That means they would either go on to play Florida or Georgia in the SEC championship; teams they have already played and beat. For the same reasons listed for Florida, how can you possibly deny Auburn again?

Now, lets examine USC. They play four ranked teams (at the moment). Wow, thats odd, UF and Auburn play four teams in the top 10. Not to mention, USC would be playing Oregon (who should have clearly lost to a diluted Oklahoma), Cal (who lost its opener to Tennessee), and Notre Dame (who is so wishy-washy that its hard to tell if they are good and lazy, or just flat out lucky). If they do run the table, I can see placing them behind undefeated Big Ten and SEC champs, but nothing more. USC doesnt even play a conference championship. I dont think any conference should be allowed into the BCS without at least hosting their own championship first. SEC team goes undefeated playing 13 games with the best SoS in the nation, and then USC goes undefeated playing 12 games in the PAC10? Lets be serious for a minute...and not laugh at the thought of USC being ranked above that undefeated SEC champ...:mj07: I couldn't hold it in either.

Now WVU...its the Big East. They play Louisville and a few other teams. No cake-walk, but not quite the road OSU, Michigan, Florida, Auburn, or USC have to walk.

So...this is how my final top 5 would go for undefeated teams:
1) Big Ten champ
2) SEC champ
3) USC
4) WVU
5) Maybe the Big 12 champ

Again, that top 5 is assuming undefeated teams. It would be far too complex to explain the final top 5 if certain teams have only one loss per team (for instance, UF/Auburn, OSU/Michigan).

The Big 10 doesn't have a conference championshop game.

I am a huge SEC fan but I'm a realist as well. If the SEC got screwed when Auburn got snubbed, there is a good chance it would happen again to Auburn, Florida, or any SEC team going undefeated.

The title game & bowls in general are heavily influenced by the following along with tv ratings. The NCAA's dream would be for a Ohio St/Michigan vs USC matchup. If USC along with the Ohio St/Michigan winner is undefeated, the SEC is getting shafted.

I put nothing past the NCAA & this idiotic BCS scenario. One could argue to their blue in the face about this but it is a big reality. If Auburn's snub didn't wake you up, I don't know what will.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I have been downplaying OSU all year but after taking out Iowa IN Iowa, OSU is clearly cream of the crop. Texas is almost unchanged from last year(beside qb) and they very likely will end top 5. Yeah ALOT of teams come into Texas and beat them, beating Texas BIG DEAL! :142smilie
OSU beating a very tough hawkeye team in Iowa is a big deal to me as well and makes a statement. Home games in the Big10 are huge advantage. OSU offense is loaded, but it is their defense that made the statement for me the past couple games.

Though I do agree wth you about the playoffs, If Auburn goes undefeated it will be winner of Mich/OSU(if they stay undefeated) Vs Auburn.

Texas was a one man show last year & they had to get lucky to even win. This team is a joke & they'll get their second loss on Saturday.

Iowa as usual was overrated. The last few years I hear Hawkeye fans talking about this is the year & it turns out it is another good year. Sorry I'm not buying into the hype of beating two overrated opponents.

No team has clearly shown to be so far aheard of everyone else. The only reason Ohio St keeps getting hyped is because of the "names" they beat.

 

[thom24ad]

The Big 10 doesn't have a conference championshop game.

They do this year...MICH/OSU :SIB

look this is real simple...an undefeated USC team will make the championship over a one loss SEC team...its all about win and losses...Auburn has the roll the SEC in they want shot...just like OSU/MICH/USC...

The question is who plays in the national championship

USC with a loss to ND
LSU with a loss to Auburn
Auburn with a loss in the conference champ
Mich/Osu with a loss to OSU/Mich
West Virgina undefeated
Florida with a loss FSU/SC

I'll vomit if I have to watch OSU/MICH play West Virgina...of course assuming OSU/Mich stay undefeated

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

I agree with you. Ohio St. has not separated itself like everyone thinks. Although I think they have earned their #1 ranking and nobody can make an argument to overtake them. Anybody who thinks OSU is all world should watch Penn St. @Ohio St. game. OSU struggled at home. Not good.

 

[Mr Hockey]

My point is USC will be in the title game undefeated over a SEC team with no loss if the OSU/Michigan winner is undefeatd as well.

I am not saying this is right as an undefeated SEC team deserves its shot but I'm looking at it from a business standpoint.

 

[thom24ad]

No team has clearly shown to be so far aheard of everyone else. The only reason Ohio St keeps getting hyped is because of the "names" they beat.

gimmie a fawking break buddy...OSU clearly has dominated games on the road which was considered their toughest test...I agree Iowa is bit over-rated but to go into two road games like that and win convincingly should be enough consideration for a number one ranking where the top tier of teams are similar in talent...maybe we should just make all the top five #1 rankings...open your eyes because OSU is a clear cut #1 until or if they lose

 

[Mr Hockey]

Mr Hockey

I agree with you. Ohio St. has not separated itself like everyone thinks. Although I think they have earned their #1 ranking and nobody can make an argument to overtake them. Anybody who thinks OSU is all world should watch Penn St. @Ohio St. game. OSU struggled at home. Not good.

Thank you. I don't think anyone besides Ohio St should be #1 at this time. I say this because no one has really stood out clearly above everyone. So I figure why flip flop & let it play out in the next few weeks.

As far as the Penn St game goes, I have read some interesting comments or better yet excuses as to their performance. Some have claimed they sleptwalked through the game as if it didn't matter.

I laughed as that is the biggest crock of shit I could think of. The game was a conference opener as well as a revenge game. How could you sleepwalk through that?

I would have understood that reason if it was a game like vs Indiana or Minnesota in a couple of weeks.

 

[Mr Hockey]

gimmie a fawking break buddy...OSU clearly has dominated games on the road which was considered their toughest test...I agree Iowa is bit over-rated but to go into two road games like that and win convincingly should be enough consideration for a number one ranking where the top tier of teams are similar in talent...maybe we should just make all the top five #1 rankings...open your eyes because OSU is a clear cut #1 until or if they lose

Let them keep their #1 ranking but they are being overhyped. Texas is garbage regardless of what the Longhorn lovers want to claim. Iowa was overrated, hell OSU should have beaten both. I might not like the Buckeyes but I didn't pass up on easy money like that.

 

[thom24ad]

Mr Hockey

I agree with you. Ohio St. has not separated itself like everyone thinks. Although I think they have earned their #1 ranking and nobody can make an argument to overtake them. Anybody who thinks OSU is all world should watch Penn St. @Ohio St. game. OSU struggled at home. Not good.

okay so PSU hung around...OSU didn't look that great but I could say the same thing about a number of teams in the top five...but you need to consider what they've done this season with their road wins...how can you possibly say they don't win big games...sorry they don't get up for the lesser teams in the conference...next thing your going to say is the Cincy game...what more does OSU have to do earn that ranking...geeez they could go undefeated in the conference then people would still say we don't belong...

 

[thom24ad]

Let them keep their #1 ranking but they are being overhyped. Texas is garbage regardless of what the Longhorn lovers want to claim. Iowa was overrated, hell OSU should have beaten both. I might not like the Buckeyes but I didn't pass up on easy money like that.

You'll see with another 14-0 season and second championship in four years along with a heisman...I love it...keep your blinders on...the team is hyped as should be...

Mich is all that is left and let me tell you this OSU will win at home...

 

[Gators4Life]

First of all, sorry about that slip up with the Big Ten. I meant to refer to the conference championship game as the OSU/Mich game.

They do this year...MICH/OSU :SIB

look this is real simple...an undefeated USC team will make the championship over a one loss SEC team...its all about win and losses...Auburn has the roll the SEC in they want shot...just like OSU/MICH/USC...

The question is who plays in the national championship

USC with a loss to ND
LSU with a loss to Auburn
Auburn with a loss in the conference champ
Mich/Osu with a loss to OSU/Mich
West Virgina undefeated
Florida with a loss FSU/SC

I'll vomit if I have to watch OSU/MICH play West Virgina...of course assuming OSU/Mich stay undefeated

You think Florida's toughest challenge is Florida State or hosting South Carolina? Hmm...well if we lose either of those games and its our only loss, we dont make the big game.

If USC loses to Notre Dame, they dont go to the big game. No chance at all, unless Florida or Auburn lose in the SEC title game.

Whoever wins the Mich/OSU game will be playing in the big game. Whichever team wins that has its fate in its hands, and if it fumbles against a non-ranked team at home...well, seems like college ball would just be pathetic.

WVU only has a chance if USC, Florida, Auburn, and Missouri lose a game. The Big East jumping an undefeated Pac 10, SEC, or Big 12 team? Unlikely, but I guess it could happen.

 

[Gators4Life]

I am not saying this is right as an undefeated SEC team deserves its shot but I'm looking at it from a business standpoint.

Please, people are tired of the USC train.

More SEC fans will travel and book flights, hotels, rental cars, local eating, etc.

Now if you dont consider these in your business model, I think you're sadly mistaken. The NCAA absolutely considers traveling and economics in its decision. Gator Nation is one of the largest followings in college football, and Auburn has a rich history as well. Both "nations" have the alumni backing to travel and boost the local economy of the town hosting the national title game.

I just want to watch the rest of the season and see how realistic all of these arguments are in the next month. This topic shouldn't be discussed too much because everything is basically a far-fetched hypothetical.

Lets talk after October is over.