Sooooo tell me again how good Kaepernick is?
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I don't think he is to be quite honest. He is a better athlete but not a better quarterback by any measure
You think Bridgewater sucks and he was one of four came to mind. Man that's brutal to pick on the rookie. I will say this about Teddy, I would rather have him over about half the league including Cutler. Teddy can make all the throws, he is reading his progressions right with a slip here and there. He should be given more time before anyone says, "he sucks."
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true words above
but what Teddy will have to do is improve ...
which is what Kap has absolutely failed to do over an off season training period and 14 games in 2014.
ya can praise Kap's 2013 seaon all you want..
2014 he's QB rating of 22nd in the league is a direct reflection of his poor play..
past histrionics mean nothing to whomever takes over for Harbaugh when he leaves for $48,000,000.00 in Mich.
Fdc....i really have respect for ya....i played some college ball so can appreciate anyone who loves the game like you do. I also love it. So this is just for fun...
But Cutler sucks for 10 years, and you say its because he's been beaten down emotionally? But has immense talent? And has still sucked forever? Just bad luck...
Kapernick been to 2 nfc champ games and damn near won a superbowl of which he 100% had to pass the team back into it down 30-7 or whatever it was....and after 1 bad year (still 7-7) it is for sure cause he has no talent?
Just seems like a lot of circumstances that are adjusted to only fit one's argument.....being a "Good QB" means more then just passing.....the good QBs get beaten down often.....being "good" includes you mental makeup as well...cutler cant handle all the aspects that encompass being a NFL Qb....ok so his feelings were hurt.....he isnt a good NFL qb.....if "Immense talent" classified you as a "good qb" then KAP would be the MVP. He is physically able to do what no other QB can....he is a freak physically....
I am not saying kap is the best passer....but he isnt the worst....and has other intangibles...
But mostly, you cannot make it to TWO nfc champ games and almost win a superbowl as well while being a shitty QB. maybe one flukey year in which he gets hot.....but to be able to repeat it multiple years you have to have talent.....NFL QBS do not win games like he has because he is no good.....you will never change my opinion on that. NO WAY CAN A SHITTY QB have the resume he has...
Best ever? Of course not.....but surely better then a lot of options and way above the mean in regards to talent.....
Again just my opinion....no right or wrong.....but numbers do not lie in the NFL after 40+ starts. You either got it or you don't
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But Cutler sucks for 10 years, and you say its because he's been beaten down emotionally? But has immense talent? And has still sucked forever? Just bad luck...
Kapernick been to 2 nfc champ games and damn near won a superbowl of which he 100% had to pass the team back into it down 30-7 or whatever it was....and after 1 bad year (still 7-7) it is for sure cause he has no talent?
Just seems like a lot of circumstances that are adjusted to only fit one's argument.....being a "Good QB" means more then just passing.....the good QBs get beaten down often.....being "good" includes you mental makeup as well...cutler cant handle all the aspects that encompass being a NFL Qb....ok so his feelings were hurt.....he isnt a good NFL qb.....if "Immense talent" classified you as a "good qb" then KAP would be the MVP. He is physically able to do what no other QB can....he is a freak physically....
I am not saying kap is the best passer....but he isnt the worst....and has other intangibles...
But mostly, you cannot make it to TWO nfc champ games and almost win a superbowl as well while being a shitty QB. maybe one flukey year in which he gets hot.....but to be able to repeat it multiple years you have to have talent.....NFL QBS do not win games like he has because he is no good.....you will never change my opinion on that. NO WAY CAN A SHITTY QB have the resume he has...
Best ever? Of course not.....but surely better then a lot of options and way above the mean in regards to talent.....
Again just my opinion....no right or wrong.....but numbers do not lie in the NFL after 40+ starts. You either got it or you don't
Peace out cub scouts
Gl
True Dat, he will definitely need to improve, he gave away the game last week, he had a ton of great throws but he threw the 2 INTS back to back which put the Lions in the game, such a shame cause the Vikes dominated Detroit in the trenches.
Teddy has had 3 fourth quarter come backs and not to make excuses, his starting right side of the line is out for the season, the left side of the line is the worst guard/tackle combo in football. They lost the best RB on the planet then lost the rookie replacement. Corderelle Patterson was suppose to be an elite receiver who turned into a bench warmer and tight end Rudolph missed many games due to injury and Norv Turner says he won't have explosion until next season. I think the rookie is doing fine and is showing a lot of progress, he doesn't panic.
I would take him over Cutler because Teddy is an unknown, he has potential to be good, we know what Cutler is... An over priced talent who shits his panties..
No right or wrong, but Kap has never really been a good pocket passing QB unless receivers are running wide open. He is great outside the pocket though and that has to count for something. It looks to me as though he has been restrained from doing what got him to those NFC champ games, moving him all around, running the pistol.
If anyone hasn't heard Steven A. Smith's rant on Cutler yesterday please do so.
It was epic..truer words have never been spoken. And yeah I get pleasure from him ripping
Cutler too. But none the less do a web search it's so worth it. Steven A. Rips cutler big time deservingly so. Cutler is the highest paid offensive player in the NFL......how'd that happen?:mj07:
It was epic..truer words have never been spoken. And yeah I get pleasure from him ripping
Cutler too. But none the less do a web search it's so worth it. Steven A. Rips cutler big time deservingly so. Cutler is the highest paid offensive player in the NFL......how'd that happen?:mj07:
I'm not posting in a thread about Cutler.
You can win and lose Super Bowls and still be a lousy quarterback.
See Trent Dilfer. Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Mark Rypien, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson, Vincent Ferragamo, Neil O'Donnell and the list goes on and on and on. None of them were every considered good quarterbacks.
You keep insinuating that Kap has "talent" and he doesn't, that's the problem. Quarterback talent would include things like touch, reading defenses, pinpoint accuracy, etc...
Don't confuse physical ability with talent. He's got strength and speed but having Tarzan play quarterback doesn't guarantee me team victory. His defense got him those conference games and he cost them the super bowl. No doubt in my mind. He is not even an average quarterback. He's a read option quarterback that will never be a winner due to his lack of talent. His team has won yes, so did the Eagles with Cunningham and McNabb. So did the Raiders with Hochstetler and he's not even remotely close to them in qb talent.
All his accolades are team accolades not individual. I will say this. He'll never start the season on any other team anywhere ever. He is in the only place that will have him, and he's horrible.
You can win and lose Super Bowls and still be a lousy quarterback.
See Trent Dilfer. Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Mark Rypien, Rex Grossman, Brad Johnson, Vincent Ferragamo, Neil O'Donnell and the list goes on and on and on. None of them were every considered good quarterbacks.
You keep insinuating that Kap has "talent" and he doesn't, that's the problem. Quarterback talent would include things like touch, reading defenses, pinpoint accuracy, etc...
Don't confuse physical ability with talent. He's got strength and speed but having Tarzan play quarterback doesn't guarantee me team victory. His defense got him those conference games and he cost them the super bowl. No doubt in my mind. He is not even an average quarterback. He's a read option quarterback that will never be a winner due to his lack of talent. His team has won yes, so did the Eagles with Cunningham and McNabb. So did the Raiders with Hochstetler and he's not even remotely close to them in qb talent.
All his accolades are team accolades not individual. I will say this. He'll never start the season on any other team anywhere ever. He is in the only place that will have him, and he's horrible.
You are correct that not a single one of those QBS is considered great qbs....im not arguing that kap is one of the greatest ever either....he is way above the bottom of the barrel through....at least IMO...
And you really think kap lost that superbowl? Honestly? With the defense giving up 30 by half? And he brings em back the majority on his shoulders......most of this is opinion.....but i would argue that its a fact that kapernick did not lose them that superbowl
And to say all of his accomplishments are team accolades..
Why are all other QBS graded on wins/superbowls? I just dont know how else to grade em....yards are misleading often times....throwing for 400+ against the backups while they are playing a zone all while you team is down 30 doesnt matter to me....ill take winners....hell i bet kaps numbers through 3 years would rival almost any qb numbers anyways...
Why are all other QBS graded on wins/superbowls? I just dont know how else to grade em....yards are misleading often times....throwing for 400+ against the backups while they are playing a zone all while you team is down 30 doesnt matter to me....ill take winners....hell i bet kaps numbers through 3 years would rival almost any qb numbers anyways...
Since Teddy got mentioned I will pile in Joy a little more. Not since Hershel Walker has a player done more harm to a franchise. The Bears lost draft picks then signed him to a ridiculous salary , how's that cap hit? Bear fan's response.... Who else is out there?should have kept the guy you let go to Tampa on the cheaper side until another QB found. Everyone outside the Bears organization laughed at that signing, the guy sucks even though he is surrounded by top 5 weapons. Bears will be in shitter for a while. Whoever signed him to that deal should be shot
Agree.
When you have jeffery bennett marshall forte......i expect greatness from QB position with those pieces.....even an avg qb coulda had a few playoff wins w/that squad....just put it in vicinity of the 3 giants downfield...or dump/handoff to forte.....but instead cutler throws int and has face of bordem.
Its obvious he lacks either leadership or drive or what i keep saying is a winning mentality.....maybe all 3....either way id take bortles/teddy over em.....
This is irrelevant to kapernick conversation but cutler very easy to dislike
When you have jeffery bennett marshall forte......i expect greatness from QB position with those pieces.....even an avg qb coulda had a few playoff wins w/that squad....just put it in vicinity of the 3 giants downfield...or dump/handoff to forte.....but instead cutler throws int and has face of bordem.
Its obvious he lacks either leadership or drive or what i keep saying is a winning mentality.....maybe all 3....either way id take bortles/teddy over em.....
This is irrelevant to kapernick conversation but cutler very easy to dislike
Kap is the subject. I don't think you grade qbs on super bowl wins unless you're having a who's better conversation about the greats. Kap will never be in one of those discussions so I'm not really considering it. Look at it this way, you keep saying he's a talented qb. I say he's got athletic ability. A guy like mark Brunell was a talented qb but not as good an athlete. Kap has one way to be successful and it's not his arm or his brain, it's straight athletic ability and having a system designed specifically for him.
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I will say Kap doesn't make the players around him better, he needs to have elite players to make him better
