Sooooo tell me again how good Kaepernick is?
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who said anything about cam newton?
personally....I didn't think he'd be that great a qb as he always struggled with reading defenses.....but nice tangent.
i'm commenting on your astute posts about him having a "weak arm" and "pryor being better than him"
both of which are absurd....esp the weak arm....which I see took about 6 replies for you to change......considering he probably has top 5 arm strength in the nfl (if not higher)
he has a bad game, on the road, at night, in THE most hostile stadium in the nfl, vs one of THE best pass defenses in the nfl.......and he stinks?
this after throwing for over 1200 yards, in his last 4 starts (playoffs + super bowl + 1st game this year) with 7td and 2 int.....and mix in about 300 yards rushing and 3 more td's
Terrell pryor? really?????? have you seen him throw the ball???
sounds like someone either:
a) had the niners +2.5
b) doesn't watch the games
c) is completely misguided in recognizing talent
d) all of the above
but i'm the moron??? you win, loser.
He is overrated, period. He isn't ready for the hall of fame yet either. I didn't bet the niners, watch every game I can, no more misguided than anyone else with an opinion that doesn't count, such as yourself. None of the above.
Here is the deal, you have been a dick towards me before and I didn't like it. If you didn't notice, I don't reply in your threads and treat you like a dick. If you would have just stated your opinion and not acted like your opinion is the only possible one that is correct, we would not be having this discussion. Simple as that. I started the thread so it is my sandbox, if I came over to play in your sandbox, I would have done it with a little bit better attitude and been a helluva lot friendlier. I don't know why some people insist on being shitty towards others they don't even know. Not only that, we are both Bear fans and ND fans and you are still a dick to me. It's fucked up and childish but whatever. I never said you were a moron. Just sayin.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Who's putting him in the hall of fame?
I commented on you thinking he had a weak arm and terrell pryor being better.
do you really think pryor is better? If so my guess is you, pryors mom and bleeding purple are the only 3 in the world who believe that
And fwiw....kaepernick probably has the strongest arm in the nfl
I commented on you thinking he had a weak arm and terrell pryor being better.
do you really think pryor is better? If so my guess is you, pryors mom and bleeding purple are the only 3 in the world who believe that
And fwiw....kaepernick probably has the strongest arm in the nfl
No Kap does not have the strongest arm in the nfl and throwing hard doesn't mean you can throw well. Secondly, I think Pryor has performed well in the couple of chances he has had to play. I don't know if he is better or worse than Kap because I haven't seen enough of them yet. Personally, I didn't and wouldn't draft either one of them. I think Pryor has potential as well as Kap. I am not willing to crown either one of them yet. Kap went before Stafford and Luck in all three leagues I am in and Kap got what, 6 points or some shit last week? That's overvaluing a player.
6 this week and 40+ the 1 st week. He is top 10-12 this year..Pryor cant hold his jock PERIOD
not gonna win this battle. youre arguing with a guy who thinks Jason Terry and Tony Parker are equals.
"Kap went before Stafford and Luck in all three leagues I am in and Kap got what, 6 points or some shit last week? That's overvaluing a player."
how can you talk sense into someone who is gauging a player based on their fantasy football output or fantasy draft position? I am sure the Lions could care less about those 4 wins they got last year because hey, Matt Stafford threw for a shitload of yards and put up a boatload of fantasy football points! :facepalm:
good luck on your quest but anyone that thinks Pryor is equal to Kaepernick is way out there and likely not going to listen to reason. I've always thought Kaepernick was overrated/gimmicky and not very good at progressing through his reads but judging Kaepernick on 1 game is almost as insane as judging Pryor on 2 games.
who said anything about throwing well or accurate.
you said he HAD a WEAK arm.......when in fact, he probably has THE STRONGEST arm in the nfl
apparently you didn't watch pryor in college OR in the 2-4 nfl games he's played in......he's a light version of cam newton.....1 read only, poor thrower of the ball, nowhere near as strong an arm as keapernick........I don't need to see much more to come to the conclusion that unless he drastically improved he wont be anything more than a bottom third qb (at best) in the league.
plus......he only got 6 fantasy points last week in my league so he's clearly horrible......but wait....he's 1-1 and eli manning in 0-2 so he's better than eli.......and big ben....and similar to flacco and Rodgers since they're 1-1
you said he HAD a WEAK arm.......when in fact, he probably has THE STRONGEST arm in the nfl
apparently you didn't watch pryor in college OR in the 2-4 nfl games he's played in......he's a light version of cam newton.....1 read only, poor thrower of the ball, nowhere near as strong an arm as keapernick........I don't need to see much more to come to the conclusion that unless he drastically improved he wont be anything more than a bottom third qb (at best) in the league.
plus......he only got 6 fantasy points last week in my league so he's clearly horrible......but wait....he's 1-1 and eli manning in 0-2 so he's better than eli.......and big ben....and similar to flacco and Rodgers since they're 1-1
You can make all the false arguments you want. Just because I point something out doesn't make me any more or any less correct. I am not quite sure where exactly your dog is in this but I am not basing anything solely on fantasy football, one game, or any of the other bullshit you mentioned. You're still hung up on Jason Terry for fucks sake. Get over it. I can't help that they have similar numbers in many areas. You are not an authority on either the NFL or the NBA. You are not considered an expert on any sport, or sports figures. That means you are on the exact same level as any other person that makes an observation. You don't have to agree with it, but disagreement doesn't make you correct either. I didn't say that Pryor was better. I don't think either fucking one of them are worth a shit. Read the thread.
You really are a strange cat sometimes Portis. You are right about one thing though, calling me names or insinuating I am stupid when I am clearly not, isn't going to change my mind. I have an opinion and can certainly defend. I don't let silly junior high emotions obfuscate the facts. If you think he is in the top ten of all the quarterbacks in the league when the numbers clearly do not bear that out than get smooth fucking after it, but don't step on me because I disagree.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Look dude, I am tired of this bullshit. Read the thread. I am entitled to my opinion. I am just as right and just as wrong as you right now. Only time will tell.
Hope this helps,
FDC
everytime someone disagrees with you you write an essay about how they are no more qualified or have no more of a valid opinion than you do. we get it. you are entitled to your opinion. you have hammered that point home plenty of times. we understand that you are entitled to your opinion. we are also entitled to think you are fucking nuts and completely off base. you dont need to scold everyone who disagrees with you telling them how they are not an expert and their opinion means no more than yours. nobody here is a fucking expert but everyone can damn well post their opinion if they disagree. we dont have to read and agree with what you say because YOU start the thread. it is a discussion forum. for discussing. if people think you are insane for your stance, that is their right, and they can voice it in their response. nobody is calling you a moron and then leaving the thread. they are calling you a moron and then explaining why they think you are a moron. there is a difference.
the comparison to the Parker/Terry argument is completely valid because it is just as insane. nobody agreed with you then, and nobody agrees with you here. occurring theme. I could not give 2 shits about Tony Parker or Jason Terry. the comparison of them was to this little comparison you made betwen players.
what do you expect to happen when you start a thread bashing Kaepernick or bashing Coughlin? most people are going to disagree with you.
My "dog" is that I think it is insane to compare Kaepernick and Pryor. What is your dog? 9er fan? Seahawk fan? No. You said Kaepernick wasnt a good QB last season and after he has a terrible game, you are here to let everyone know you said it all along. Nobody is going to kiss your ass like you predicted the outcome of the Super Bowl 8 months before it happened. He had a great week 1, but the critics come out after a bad game. Are you going to eat crow every week he has a monster game or just bash when he has a bad one?
One QB led his team to the super bowl. One has started like 3 games in his career and has shown nothing as a passer. One QB is on a favorite to reach the superbowl, the other QB is leading a team favored to finish LAST in their division. Comparing them is ridiculous. Pryor will lead the Raiders absolutely nowhere. Maybe 3rd place in the division but that would take some doing.
for the record I hate Kaepernick. he is arrogant, looked like a twat at the ESPYS, and I think he is overrated. I dont think he is terrible because he is good at what he needs to do. he runs a offense damn close to the offense he ran in college for the guy who created the pistol offense. he is efficient and until teams figure out a way to stop it consistently, he will be efficient. last season Seattle beat Rogers and Brady in their stadium. Holding them to 35 points combined. It isnt a fluke that Seattle shut him down. Everyone knows they play tough at home and have the loudest and probably most effective crowd.
If you would have used running, inaccurate QB. Probably not too much argument. Weak arm is the trigger and you pulled it.
And then I said inaccurate is a better description. I also said that loooooooong before you ever made a post. I have also stated several time to read the fucking thread but you can't seem to pick that tidbit out of the context of anything either. Who gives a fuck if I said it. What the fuck does that have to do with you? You want a fucking prize or something for arguing like a little sister? Christ!!!!
READ THE THREAD OR HAVE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT READING COMPREHENSION MEANS, READ IT TO YOU BEFORE YOU COMMENT
I'm not sure what you mean?:shrug:
I am sure that you are acting liking a bitch cause you made a retarded comment. :kiss:
Yet I am able to communicate my point effectively without making false insinuations and calling you names. There are several holes in your arguments but the most glaring is not what you purport the other posters on here think of my opinions, but the fact that the numbers fully support my assertions, not yours.
Parker and Terry's numbers are remarkably similar. Those numbers are what will be chronicled and used to determine their individual greatness throughout history. The salary of Kap and Pryor are also very similar. Maybe someday that will change but as of now, NFL executives pay them on the same level. You seem to think that because Tony Parker had the fortuitous career luck to play with Duncan and win some championships that his numbers are somehow more spectacular. Both players play in the exact same league against the exact same players defending them and their numbers are almost exactly the same but you can't accept that as definitive. Sorry bud, but that isn't how it works. Those players are compensated based on their numbers, hence the similar contracts. Since NBA executives apparently agree with me to the tune of player compensation being commensurate with their career numbers, I am going to go with their evaluations over your critical name calling crap.
Hope this helps,
FDC
If you can't understand something as simple as read before you speak then you and I have nothing left to discuss. Yes, I am acting like a bitch. When you typed this did you actually hold your palm up to the screen as if to say "talk to the hand", or did you just sigh really loud until someone like Mom asked what was wrong?
Actually, nevermind. You have nothing to add to the discussion.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Completely irrelevant to the comparison. Could not actually pick a worse stance I dont think. They are both on their rookie contracts. Kaepernick wasnt a 1st round pick so he is going to get a pretty standard rookie contract. Pryor, a supplemental draft pick in the 3rd round is also obviously not going to get much.
Big difference though, and even though this isnt relative at all, they are not that similar. Kaepernick was given nearly 4 million in guaranteed money in his deal. Pryor, not so much with about 550k. In fact, Pryors total 4 year contact worth 2.3 million is less than the money Kaepernick was guaranteed. So, no, they arent similar really as one team was taking a flyer on Pryor and hoping for the best while putting forth very little risk.
And you can talk numbers all you want but there is a reason nobody agrees with your stance on Terry and Parker. You are a bit extreme with how you value stats. Do they count? sure they count for a lot but there needs to be some critical thinking involved to weigh how much they actually reflect on the skill of a player. James Harden averaged less than 1 point per game less than LeBron James last year. Based on this, you would say they are at about equal levels at scoring ability because they "play the same players in the same league". You dont weigh in the role of a player or who else is on their team.
Critical name calling crap? Please get the fuck off the high horse already. Like 3 posts ago you were screaming in giant letters to someone about how they lack reading comprehension and they should get someone who has some to read the post for them. Yeah, youre right, you arent condescending towards others at all, it is always just everyone else attacking you and calling you names. :facepalm:
I don't know why I came up, maybe when I said I would take Pryor you probably thought I meant over Kap. No I didn't mean that and should of been more clear. I would just take him on the Vikes but I guessI didn't need to point it out cause it is obvious.
I would take Pryor over Joy Cutler though. At least Pryor has a chance to be good.
