Steelers will not come out for National Anthem today

[ChrryBlstr]

Perhaps listening to actual veterans of the armed forces regardin how they feel about the kneeling would be a prudent way to address this particular issue.

[?]PhillipJCoulson 30 points 2 days ago

whenever they were about to play colors on base at sun down, damn near every sailor took off running to get inside so they wouldn't have to salute the flag for 2 minutes.

It didn't bother me then and doesn't bother me now.


[?]cupasoups 10 points 2 days ago

Peaceful protest is a hallmark of our democracy. You don't have to like it, but I'm sick of non veterans telling everyone how veterans feel. It doesn't bother this veteran one bit.


[?]Wikkitikki 18 points 2 days ago

No, if it is what they want to do to protest the issue of police brutality or any other cause, let them do it. Sure, there might or might not be consequences for what they do, organizational or otherwise, but as far as them doing this, good for them. America is supposed to be the land of the free, to include the right to peacefully assemble and protest perceived wrongs. To attach further meaning to what they are doing, such as potentially disrespecting the national anthem/flag of the United States detracts from their message and, as another poster mentioned, makes me wonder what the uproar is intended to distract us from. I suppose we shall see in upcoming weeks what the full extent is.


[?]AccidentallyPerfect 3 points 2 days ago

Using your freedom of speech to protest and point out injustice is quite possibly the most "American" thing you can do; it mirrors the spirit in which we were founded and our founding fathers drive to escape tyranny and injustice and uses the freedoms that we are guaranteed by the Constitution-the sacred document we swore an oath to defend.

No issue is ever as simple as two sides. Yes there are two sides but there is a lot of grey area in the middle, and we should lead the way in trying to understand WHY people are doing something that is so drastic. Could it be they have a point?


[?]HahnZahn 3 points 2 days ago

I hope their demonstrations help disentangle the national anthem and "patriotism" from being shoved down everyone's throat at every public event. If only the red-faced bigots hating on the players knew about the way we all scrambled to get inside prior to colors every morning, maybe that'd help put it in perspective.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans/c...out_the_nfl_kneeling/?st=j83h59hc&sh=6e0b5e88

And for the umpteenth time, it was never a protest about the flag or the anthem to begin with.

Peace!

 

[Jaxx]

And for the umpteenth time, it was never a protest about the flag or the anthem to begin with.

Peace!

Then why do it during Anthem? Why? To begin with? It all goes back to Kapernick and his girlfriends association with Black Lives Matter who promote violence against the police. I am sure you can find a few veterans that will support the protest but The American Legion and VFW that represent nearly four million military veterans are criticizing the protest saying "it fails to show respect are misguided and ungrateful". "It does not wash with Military Veterans."

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Then why do it during Anthem? Why? To begin with? "

Because he wants to. Why does he need to get approval on when to protest. I wouldn?t do it at that time. Sounds like you wouldn?t either. But he doesn?t share that opinion. And since he?s not hurting anyone or infringing on their rights, I?ve got no problem with it.

 

[Skulnik]

Because he wants to. Why does he need to get approval on when to protest. I wouldn?t do it at that time. Sounds like you wouldn?t either. But he doesn?t share that opinion. And since he?s not hurting anyone or infringing on their rights, I?ve got no problem with it.

If it's not about the flag or anthem then erase what Kapernick said in the beginning, LIARS!!!

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

If the players really cared with their money they could create businesses to get kids off the streets. But instead they tattoo their bodies so they look like thugs and call US racists. Do something positive. You have the money!

Are you fucking serious with this shit? :mj07::mj07:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Then why do it during Anthem? Why? To begin with? It all goes back to Kapernick and his girlfriends association with Black Lives Matter who promote violence against the police. I am sure you can find a few veterans that will support the protest but The American Legion and VFW that represent nearly four million military veterans are criticizing the protest saying "it fails to show respect are misguided and ungrateful". "It does not wash with Military Veterans."

The point is when are they going to do it to get attention. The answer is no other time. It gets all kinds of attention while doing it during the anthem. Sorry it makes you feel uncomfortable for a minute. Get used to it. It's not going to stop. Perhaps if they had nothing to protest, you wouldn't have to deal with this travesty of emotion you have had to deal with.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

If it's not about the flag or anthem then erase what Kapernick said in the beginning, LIARS!!!

Make the call, skul.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

If it's not about the flag or anthem then erase what Kapernick said in the beginning, LIARS!!!

You?re not responding to anything that I said, so don?t quote me. You?ve lost your ability to think. Sad!

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Sorry it makes you feel uncomfortable for a minute. Get used to it. It's not going to stop

It was barely even registering anymore. Until the divider showed up

 

[yyz]

And for the umpteenth time, it was never a protest about the flag or the anthem to begin with.

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.

It he was pissed at how blacks are treated in this country by police or the judicial system, he could have protested at a police station or courthouse.

The message these people are trying to convey will forever be lost on people who only see a disrespect for their flag and country.

If you spray paint your message on the side of a building, some people will see the message, while others will just see vandalism.

 

[Penguinfan]

I?ve got no problem with it.

That's fair, but I'm sure you can understand where others do. Anyone who tells you social injustice is not a problem in this country is just ignorant, but protesting during a time that is set aside to honor the people who fought for the very freedom to protest isn't right, and that is where the problem comes in.

The people on the side of the protesters are taking the attitude that they don't care if it pisses people off, they are going to get their point heard no matter what, all that matters to them is to get their point heard.

I can hear TU's thinking right now, "hell yea, I hope it pissed you off, good!".


Is pissing people off and starting another conflict the way to resolve the original one?


It just makes no sense to do it during a time that has nothing to do with your original reason to protest, other than you want to piss people off. I guess that's all some people have in life, but it won't help the issue at hand one bit, it will only serve to divide people further on the issue.



I'll offer another perspective, would the same people who are upset at the timing of these protests be as upset, or upset at all, if the protest was about the piss poor way our country takes care of it's veterans? If someone was protesting the fact we let our heroes be homeless and have subpar medical care would it be as much of a topic as the current protests?

I honestly don't think so (though I'm willing to be wrong) because the timing of said protest would surely make much more sense.

 

[yyz]

I'll offer another perspective, would the same people who are upset at the timing of these protests be as upset, or upset at all, if the protest was about the piss poor way our country takes care of it's veterans? If someone was protesting the fact we let our heroes be homeless and have subpar medical care would it be as much of a topic as the current protests?

I honestly don't think so (though I'm willing to be wrong) because the timing of said protest would surely make much more sense.

Veterans have more programs for them than you can shake a stick at. Let's not derail the topic at hand.

 

[StevieD]

Make the call, skul.

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Yes I am. And I think Odell Beckham is a pig and should be suspended.

These thug wannabes can't even get the protest straight. Some take a knee, some stand, they all hold hands. Yet its not about the flag then why dont the cowards standing, holding hands, kneel. If they support the creeps kneeling then kneel! It's all the same. These phonies don't care about anything except the next pay check.

 

[shawn555]

Yes I am. And I think Odell Beckham is a pig and should be suspended.

These thug wannabes can't even get the protest straight. Some take a knee, some stand, they all hold hands. Yet its not about the flag then why dont the cowards standing, holding hands, kneel. If they support the creeps kneeling then kneel! It's all the same. These phonies don't care about anything except the next pay check.

What exactly makes them thug wannabes??

And by protesting they are risking that next paycheck.

If they really cared just about the paycheck they would not do anything to upset white idiots.

 

[yyz]

What exactly makes them thug wannabes??

And by protesting they are risking that next paycheck.

If they really cared just about the paycheck they would not do anything to upset white idiots.

How are they risking a paycheck, when the owner is right there pretending to give a fuck?

 

[shawn555]

How are they risking a paycheck, when the owner is right there pretending to give a fuck?

I missed where Colin Kaepernick has a job in the nfl.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

That's fair, but I'm sure you can understand where others do. Anyone who tells you social injustice is not a problem in this country is just ignorant, but protesting during a time that is set aside to honor the people who fought for the very freedom to protest isn't right, and that is where the problem comes in.

The people on the side of the protesters are taking the attitude that they don't care if it pisses people off, they are going to get their point heard no matter what, all that matters to them is to get their point heard.

I can hear TU's thinking right now, "hell yea, I hope it pissed you off, good!".


Is pissing people off and starting another conflict the way to resolve the original one?


It just makes no sense to do it during a time that has nothing to do with your original reason to protest, other than you want to piss people off. I guess that's all some people have in life, but it won't help the issue at hand one bit, it will only serve to divide people further on the issue.



I'll offer another perspective, would the same people who are upset at the timing of these protests be as upset, or upset at all, if the protest was about the piss poor way our country takes care of it's veterans? If someone was protesting the fact we let our heroes be homeless and have subpar medical care would it be as much of a topic as the current protests?

I honestly don't think so (though I'm willing to be wrong) because the timing of said protest would surely make much more sense.

Yeah. The protests don?t appear to be working. Seems to be exacerbating the problem. But forcing patriotism and groupthink on someone and telling people they should be grateful about money they earn is about the most un-American thing that you can do.

 

[yyz]

I missed where Colin Kaepernick has a job in the nfl.

You miss a lot of thing fucko

 

[shawn555]

You miss a lot of thing fucko

Yeah you showed me.

 

[kegray1]

My question is when is it going to end in the NFL as I see no end in sight.
Time for the NFL to take simple action.
2 options for any player:
1. Go out and stand for the anthem.
2. If you don't want to stand then you stay in the locker room until it is over.
Any other action equals ineligible for the game and no pay.

Last I checked the NFL has a code of conduct policy that seems to get altered on a week to week basis.

What happens to any other employee in America who protests while at work???
If they feel so strongly about this then take off the uniform and go stand outside the stadium off the clock like any real protester would do.

Sure it is your right to protest but how many protests happen on actual company properties.

Just my opinion but it matters about as much as taking a knee during the anthem.