comparing apples and oranges. UFC makes 20 times more money than Strikeforce. The Main event at least they gave Werdum a decent payday not some chump change in a big time main event.
STRIKEFORCE: June 26th FEDOR VS WERDUM!!
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comparing apples and oranges. UFC makes 20 times more money than Strikeforce. The Main event at least they gave Werdum a decent payday not some chump change in a big time main event.
How about u go in the boxing thread on this joint. Guys who have actually watched fighting for years. Then take a poll. I would much rather see guys who actually watched fights for a living then some clowns who make ridiculous comments on MMA sites.
nice get....i agree that her gender is her cover,spongy...guys like dana and coker don`t need feminist groups up their asses at a time when they are expanding their mma empires...
they`re hamstrung by the fact that it was a female that f`ed up...the first...the pioneer.
the media doesn`t really care about a fighter getting maimed...it doesn`t fit the agenda...and the agenda is more about the gender of the ref..."breaking down barriers"...the historic nature of it all...much more than a fringe fighter`s safety..
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Shocker........Sponge defends the "peanuts" the StrikeForce fighters make, yet when UFC does it he goes nuts.
Look at what Ron Keslar ($1,500) made....where is your outrage:shrug:
Come on Sponge, be consistent, you bash UFC when a guy makes that kind of money. But not when StrikeForce does it?
Bad Sponge....bad bad Sponge.
Look at what Ron Keslar ($1,500) made....where is your outrage:shrug:
Come on Sponge, be consistent, you bash UFC when a guy makes that kind of money. But not when StrikeForce does it?
Bad Sponge....bad bad Sponge.
i think that proves Weasel point. There are so many clowns on those sites that pulling 48 percent is really like getting 80.
it`a a shortsightedness spongy...they don`t get how close they came to having an elephant in the living room...
i wonder if finney`s condition immediately after the fight was bad enough for the powers that be to shut down access to her?....we didn`t hear a thing on her condition until she was safely tucked in at home back in ohio...
no photos...nothing until she was far,far away...
still no photos...
GW........I guarantee you, if you take every single person who covers MMA for a living the results would be close 50/50, 60/40 that kind of thing. If you polled every single MMA fighter in North America the results would be close.
You seem to think that "the crazy people in internet land" don't know what they are talking about.
I mean look at the opinions here on madjacks, some side with me, some side with you. It is a close one. I think you are nuts for thinking Winslow should be "thrown out of the sport". I think she did a great job in not stopping the fight and I wish more refs would do what she did.
There was a great article applauding Winslow for her actions. And it was written by a guy who has been covering MMA since 1996.
Point being is that it is a close issue, pretty much 50.50 across the board. And I would bet my left testicle that over 50% of MMA fighters applaud Winslow. I know if I were fighting I would want a ref like Winslow reffing my fights. She might fuck up in other areas, but she would let me fight.
Winslow did a great job, and I ain't the only one who thinks so.
You seem to think that "the crazy people in internet land" don't know what they are talking about.
I mean look at the opinions here on madjacks, some side with me, some side with you. It is a close one. I think you are nuts for thinking Winslow should be "thrown out of the sport". I think she did a great job in not stopping the fight and I wish more refs would do what she did.
There was a great article applauding Winslow for her actions. And it was written by a guy who has been covering MMA since 1996.
Point being is that it is a close issue, pretty much 50.50 across the board. And I would bet my left testicle that over 50% of MMA fighters applaud Winslow. I know if I were fighting I would want a ref like Winslow reffing my fights. She might fuck up in other areas, but she would let me fight.
Winslow did a great job, and I ain't the only one who thinks so.
Kick those bottom salaries are bad but again the UFC makes at least ten times more than Strikeforce. Get it now? The live gate pulls in more than enuf to pay for the guys salaries let alone another 40 million in pay per view revenue. Strikeforce doesn't have anywhere near that kind of revenue but somehow in the main event found a way to give the Challanger enfu to not make it embarassing. Do u think it is fair that Carwin is getting offered 40 thou if he wins the fight? $40 fukin thou for a fight like this? What mir got for his second fight with Lesnar was criminal when he beat him once already. What the Fuk if Lesner is this big of a star than give a guy something if he beats him. I hope Carwin whips this assholes ass then takes that title with him to another joint.
First off Carwin will be getting way more then 40 grand. And yes Carwin should be making way more then that. All UFC fighters should be making way more then they do. All of em.
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Guess what when I say MMA fighters I mean MMA fighters. That includes Strikeforce. You can't have it both ways Sponge, StrikeForce pays there fighters shit just like the UFC. StrikeForce paying guys 1500 bucks is just as bad as the UFC.
Bad Sponge......very bad Sponge.
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Guess what when I say MMA fighters I mean MMA fighters. That includes Strikeforce. You can't have it both ways Sponge, StrikeForce pays there fighters shit just like the UFC. StrikeForce paying guys 1500 bucks is just as bad as the UFC.
Bad Sponge......very bad Sponge.
Carwin is making way more than 40 grand than why does he still keep his other job? Any money Carwin is making is Carwins for being Carwin and nothing UFC is doing. Yeah they give him the platform but that doesn't mean anything if Carwin doesn't produce. Like i said i agree with guys on the Contract of 40 but another 40 is so insulting it isn't even worth debating. I hope this doesn't effect the way Carwin fights but it might be impossible not to.
It is pathetic what those bottom tier guys got paid by Strikeforce, I mean $1500 to fight is just crazy. How much did Ron Keslar spend just in training and travel/lodging expenses?? He might have lost money to be in that fight.
Strikeforce would probably use the fact that it was not a PPV event or something and the gate was $1M with a salary over $780K, but those are some pathetic payouts.
Bobby Stack got $2800 and $1500 of it was a win bonus.
Strikeforce took care of the big names which is nice, but come on with the prelim guys. Everyone should be guaranteed at least $2500 to fight.
Of course when you compare what UFC makes and pays out then this is not even as bad as them but still bad.
Strikeforce would probably use the fact that it was not a PPV event or something and the gate was $1M with a salary over $780K, but those are some pathetic payouts.
Bobby Stack got $2800 and $1500 of it was a win bonus.
Strikeforce took care of the big names which is nice, but come on with the prelim guys. Everyone should be guaranteed at least $2500 to fight.
Of course when you compare what UFC makes and pays out then this is not even as bad as them but still bad.
I agree with this BUT if it was my little daughter getting brutalised, not so much.
Reading between the lines with Kick, I agree with what he is hinting at.
THIS FIGHT SHOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!! :nono: :nono: :nono:
What about the ringside doctor that let the fight continue after round 1 if she was in such bad shape.
Winslow lets them fight and that is what this sport has always been hyped up to be:"Violent".
I can promise you almost every single fighter would say let it go on if the fighter is making any attempt to defend no matter how pathetic the attempt is. Maybe not Bob Sapp.
Cyborg was not landing damaging shots on the ground but was just relentless. ALL the damage was happening in the standup.
Winslow was waiting for that damaging shot on the ground to stop it then came the illegal blows.
Winslow lets them fight and that is what this sport has always been hyped up to be:"Violent".
I can promise you almost every single fighter would say let it go on if the fighter is making any attempt to defend no matter how pathetic the attempt is. Maybe not Bob Sapp.
Cyborg was not landing damaging shots on the ground but was just relentless. ALL the damage was happening in the standup.
Winslow was waiting for that damaging shot on the ground to stop it then came the illegal blows.
yeah right....141 strikes to 23.....:142smilie
amazing insight you have there ke....you throw out absolutes like candy...lol
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that`s not what he`s saying...he`saying that winslow was right not to stop it...
it obviously wasn`t enough that when cyborg backed away and basically pointed at finney cowering in the fetal position...not kicking at her....not defending...just laying against the fence a bloddy,battered mess.....winslow did nothing...
no actually she did something...she asked cyborg if she wanted her to stand finney back up....:mj07:
the whole thing was a disgrace...on so many levels...
if she were a judge and her ineptitude wasn`t dangerous to the fighters,i`d laugh along with you guys...`
but winslow`s a danger in there...her f-ck ups get people seriouskly injured...
Like I said RELENTLESS. Are you telling me that she could land 141 damaging shots and the fight not be stopped by the ref, the doctor, or the corner?
It is a good thing you were not the ref in many of Nog's fights or he would have 3 or 4 more losses right now instead of wins.
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a laceration(not a "cut"..a laceration...sounds much worse,doesn`t it?.
.) on each side of her face...concussion and memory loss...fractured orbital socket....lumps all over her head...i`m telling you she landed WAY TOO MANY damaging punches...and that a real referree with nothing to prove would have stepped in long before winslow did...
simpson got hit with a leben flurry and staggered to another part of the cage and it was stopped...he didn`t even go down...in a very competitive fight...
that ref acted in his best interests...he wasn`t hurt nearly as badly as finney..
but he was concerned for simpson`s safety...that`s his job...
winslow doesn`t get that...
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The question then becomes how much of that happened in the 2nd?
I say most of the damage was done in the 1st.
The bigger question you should be asking is why the doctor let it continue in between rounds more than why the ref allowed it to continue.
She is paid to examine the fight not the fighter.
The doctor is paid to examine the fighter not the fight.
I think your beef should be with the ringside doctor as much or more than with Winslow.
I say most of the damage was done in the 1st.
The bigger question you should be asking is why the doctor let it continue in between rounds more than why the ref allowed it to continue.
She is paid to examine the fight not the fighter.
The doctor is paid to examine the fighter not the fight.
I think your beef should be with the ringside doctor as much or more than with Winslow.
