STRIKEFORCE: June 26th FEDOR VS WERDUM!!
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While throwing the blame for the debacle on Winslow, she was in charge, I wonder what Finney's corner was doing while the unmericiful beating was taking place. If ever someone should have thrown in the towel it was about 3 minutes into the first round. If not then, certainly between rounds. I read today that Big John McCarthy cornered Winslow and unleashed quite the verbal tirade on her following the fight.
Sponge goes ape-shit on UFC every time he sees this....
We will see what he says about StrikeForce.....
http://mmajunkie.com/news/19724/str...-fighter-salaries-fedor-tops-789k-payroll.mma
We will see what he says about StrikeForce.....
http://mmajunkie.com/news/19724/str...-fighter-salaries-fedor-tops-789k-payroll.mma
i totally agree,counselor....but i read on some boards that you aren`t allowed to throw in a towel in mma(and that had me scratching my head)....turns out it was bad info....i know i`d seen corners stop fights in between rounds...
Ways to victory:
Knockout (KO): as soon as a fighter becomes unconscious due to strikes, his opponent is declared the winner. As MMA rules allow ground fighting, the fight is stopped to prevent further injury to an unconscious fighter.
* Submission: a fighter may admit defeat during a match by:
o a tap on the opponent's body;
o a tap on the mat or floor;
o verbal announcement.
* Technical Knockout (TKO)
o Referee Stoppage: the referee may stop a match in progress if:
+ a fighter becomes dominant to the point where the opponent is unable to intelligently defend himself from attacks, which may occur as quickly as a few seconds;
+ a fighter appears to be unconscious from a grappling hold;
+ a fighter appears to have developed significant injuries in the referee's view, such as a broken bone.
o Doctor Stoppage: the referee will call for a time out if a fighter's ability to continue is in question as a result of apparent injuries, such as a large cut. The ring doctor will inspect the fighter and stop the match if the fighter is deemed unable to continue safely, rendering the opponent the winner. However, if the match is stopped as a result of an injury from illegal actions by the opponent, either a disqualification or no contest will be issued instead.
o Corner stoppage: a fighter's corner men may announce defeat on the fighter's behalf by throwing in the towel during the match in progress or between rounds.
* Decision: if the match goes the distance, then the outcome of the bout is determined by three judges. The judging criteria are organization-specific.
* Forfeit: a fighter or his representative may forfeit a match prior to the beginning of the match, thereby losing the match.
* Disqualification: a "warning" will be given when a fighter commits a foul or illegal action or does not follow the referee's instruction. Three warnings will result in a disqualification. Moreover, if a fighter is injured and unable to continue due to a deliberate illegal technique from his opponent, the opponent will be disqualified.
* No Contest: in the event that both fighters commit a violation of the rules, or a fighter is unable to continue due to an injury from an accidental illegal technique, the match will be declared a "No Contest".
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Well I am sure the corner had to be tempted to stop it, but it was her ONE shot at Cyborg and the title which probably made it harder to throw in the towel.
The doctor looked at her between rounds and clearly said she was good to continue so I am sure the corner thought lets go on if she wants to and the doctor says it's ok.
The doctor looked at her between rounds and clearly said she was good to continue so I am sure the corner thought lets go on if she wants to and the doctor says it's ok.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/19731/str...ee-kim-winslow-plans-return-to-135-pounds.mma
""Jan Finney is still a bit blurry on the details of her fight with women's middleweight champion Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos this past Saturday at "Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Werdum.""
""As to what kept her upright during Santos' assault, she doesn't remember. Finney landed a big right hand in the opening moments of the second round, but that's gone. ""
and then this...
""What are they saying? That the referee should have stopped in sooner or (that) my corner should have thrown in the towel? I mean, come on," she said. "It's my decision, and leave those people out of it." "
uh,no jan...it`s not always up to the fighter...a fighter that admits she doesn`t remember and is still "blurry" about the details 3 days after the fact...you should get a new corner and not defend the ref that stood by while you got maimed...
the girl oozes class....but no matter how unassuming she might be...how responsible she tries to be...she took way too much punishment...that list of injuries could have been mitigated if that ref knew what she was doing in there...
and btw...
http://www.mmaedition.com/tuesday-a...arolina-mma-fighter-who-died-after-pro-debut/
""Jan Finney is still a bit blurry on the details of her fight with women's middleweight champion Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos this past Saturday at "Strikeforce and M-1 Global: Fedor vs. Werdum.""
""As to what kept her upright during Santos' assault, she doesn't remember. Finney landed a big right hand in the opening moments of the second round, but that's gone. ""
and then this...
""What are they saying? That the referee should have stopped in sooner or (that) my corner should have thrown in the towel? I mean, come on," she said. "It's my decision, and leave those people out of it." "
uh,no jan...it`s not always up to the fighter...a fighter that admits she doesn`t remember and is still "blurry" about the details 3 days after the fact...you should get a new corner and not defend the ref that stood by while you got maimed...
the girl oozes class....but no matter how unassuming she might be...how responsible she tries to be...she took way too much punishment...that list of injuries could have been mitigated if that ref knew what she was doing in there...
and btw...
http://www.mmaedition.com/tuesday-a...arolina-mma-fighter-who-died-after-pro-debut/
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I am tired of this topic but will comment yet again.
She was fighting back and showed she still had fight in her. Finney was defending herself or at least trying to. I thought the most damage Cyborg did was in the standup game. I just didn't see anything that damaging from Cyborg in the ground game other than the relentless pressure.
She was fighting back and showed she still had fight in her. Finney was defending herself or at least trying to. I thought the most damage Cyborg did was in the standup game. I just didn't see anything that damaging from Cyborg in the ground game other than the relentless pressure.
That's just it, there are a few times in the first round when she's not fighting back at all. She's laying there with her hands over her head to defend the noggin, but she isn't trying to go on the offensive at all. I kept thinking to myself, "Ok, this is the point where the ref leans over and says 'You gotta fight back' or 'show me something or I'm going to stop the fight,'" but she never did.
I guess that's what I found odd. I've seen it 1,000 times before in the UFC -- when a guy is on the ground and doing nothing but covering up and the other dude is just wailing on him, they stop it. I kept waiting for that to happen in this fight, but it never did.
I also thought the point where she finally DID stop it was odd because the blows that led to the stoppage didn't seem any more damaging than what she had been taking all fight. :shrug:
I dunno, like I said I don't think the beating was as bad as some people are making it out to be, but I do think it should have been stopped when she was just laying there covering her head praying to The Holy Ghost to make the bad woman go away.
I think it was very close to being stopped but then came the illegal blows and put the ref in an odd position.
How can she stop the fight and award a win based on 4 straight illegal blows?
Once it was stood up from the illegal blows, Finney was fighting back and the round ended before Cyborg mounted another damaging attack.
How can she stop the fight and award a win based on 4 straight illegal blows?
Once it was stood up from the illegal blows, Finney was fighting back and the round ended before Cyborg mounted another damaging attack.
Just watched the event on a slow morning, and I'm not surprised that it's the Finney Cyborg fight that sticks, apart from Shamrock WTF?!?... and Fedor's loss.
I think a MALE ref wouldve stopped the fight earlier. Winslow, obviously taking this women's MMA gig seriously, gave Finney the credit she'd given a man - thereby doing a good job in my opinion.
Must be something primal inside men who see a woman get beat up. But you have to admit any male fighter would complain if the fight wouldve been stopped earlier and I've seen guys win after receiving such an early beating.
I think a MALE ref wouldve stopped the fight earlier. Winslow, obviously taking this women's MMA gig seriously, gave Finney the credit she'd given a man - thereby doing a good job in my opinion.
Must be something primal inside men who see a woman get beat up. But you have to admit any male fighter would complain if the fight wouldve been stopped earlier and I've seen guys win after receiving such an early beating.
turtling and groping for a leg while an androgynous monster beats your head in is not intelligently defending...
141 strikes to 23 is not a fight...it`s a mugging....5 knockdowns...
the girl`s injuries speak for themselves....the fact that she still doesn`t have clear memory speaks volumes... ..the video speaks for itself...it wasn`t a fight...beatdowns like that ruin a fighter...that`s why the ref is there....that`s a ref`s MAIN function...
the girl is a 135 pound fighter...strikeforce knew this..the ref should have been on notice...
it should have been stopped...and from what ferdville posted,big john mccarthy agrees...
big john mccarthy...not some radio guy...or some spike haired 21 year old canadian fanboy writer(breen)....
there was nothing remotely competitive about that...but,i understand why you guys enjoyed the spectacle...you`re probably the same guys that egged on the big kid on while he was beating down the little kid...
go back to playing soccer and tennis..don`t ever get involved in contact sports...take it from me...it`s not for you...you don`t understand what it`s about...
it`s about the competition..not the carnage...
sorry if that seems harsh...i just can`t comprehend anybody rationalizing allowing that to go on as long as it did.....this was real...they were 4 oz gloves bouncing off the back of that girl`s head...with nothing coming back in return...
this wasn`t condit/mcdonald...a guy furiously trying to pull out a fight he felt he was losing...this was one-sided mayhem...after the first 3 or 4 minutes,it was pointless...and excessive...
if she threw a punch when they stood up,it was on pure instinct...as she indicated...she doesn`t remember...
winslow admitted in her bio that she`d never participated in the sport...never had a fight...that explains her actions a bit...
it`s a sport...not a horror movie...
141 strikes to 23 is not a fight...it`s a mugging....5 knockdowns...
the girl`s injuries speak for themselves....the fact that she still doesn`t have clear memory speaks volumes... ..the video speaks for itself...it wasn`t a fight...beatdowns like that ruin a fighter...that`s why the ref is there....that`s a ref`s MAIN function...
the girl is a 135 pound fighter...strikeforce knew this..the ref should have been on notice...
it should have been stopped...and from what ferdville posted,big john mccarthy agrees...
big john mccarthy...not some radio guy...or some spike haired 21 year old canadian fanboy writer(breen)....
there was nothing remotely competitive about that...but,i understand why you guys enjoyed the spectacle...you`re probably the same guys that egged on the big kid on while he was beating down the little kid...
go back to playing soccer and tennis..don`t ever get involved in contact sports...take it from me...it`s not for you...you don`t understand what it`s about...
it`s about the competition..not the carnage...
sorry if that seems harsh...i just can`t comprehend anybody rationalizing allowing that to go on as long as it did.....this was real...they were 4 oz gloves bouncing off the back of that girl`s head...with nothing coming back in return...
this wasn`t condit/mcdonald...a guy furiously trying to pull out a fight he felt he was losing...this was one-sided mayhem...after the first 3 or 4 minutes,it was pointless...and excessive...
if she threw a punch when they stood up,it was on pure instinct...as she indicated...she doesn`t remember...
winslow admitted in her bio that she`d never participated in the sport...never had a fight...that explains her actions a bit...
it`s a sport...not a horror movie...
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GW don't make it personal, I was actually rooting for Finney.
You say it's about the competition. Who set up this fight? Strikeforce did, blame them.
Sorry, but once both parties agree to fight, it's within the confines of the rules and judgment of the ref. Both our opinions don't matter.
You say it's about the competition. Who set up this fight? Strikeforce did, blame them.
Sorry, but once both parties agree to fight, it's within the confines of the rules and judgment of the ref. Both our opinions don't matter.
the fight probably shouldn`t have happened...and winslow shouldn`t be allowed as the third person in the ring ever again...
i just pray that the flack she received after this debacle enhances her her fight i.q....
because ,imo,that was incompetence bordering on criminal behavior....and i`m far from alone in that opinion...
the fact that she was "the first woman" blah,blah,blah is what`s keeping her from being sanctioned..and that`s probably why this got out of hand...winslow trying to prove something with finney ending up as the victim...
everybody that enjoys mma should be extremely thankful that that woman`s ineptitude didn`t cost the sport big time.....
i`d much rather see 10 fights stopped early than that kind of mindless brutality on a defenseless fighter.....
but that`s me...obviously not everyone feels that way...
i just pray that the flack she received after this debacle enhances her her fight i.q....
because ,imo,that was incompetence bordering on criminal behavior....and i`m far from alone in that opinion...
the fact that she was "the first woman" blah,blah,blah is what`s keeping her from being sanctioned..and that`s probably why this got out of hand...winslow trying to prove something with finney ending up as the victim...
everybody that enjoys mma should be extremely thankful that that woman`s ineptitude didn`t cost the sport big time.....
i`d much rather see 10 fights stopped early than that kind of mindless brutality on a defenseless fighter.....
but that`s me...obviously not everyone feels that way...
I love it, the more GW goes on and on about the fight not being stopped.......more agree with kickserv.
GW is now in the minority:142smilie
I'll say it for the 100th time.
Good job by the ref in not stopping the fight
As days go by, more and more agree with me, GW just can't handle that.:mj07:
GW is now in the minority:142smilie
I'll say it for the 100th time.
Good job by the ref in not stopping the fight
As days go by, more and more agree with me, GW just can't handle that.:mj07:
u have to be completely ignorant if u think Weasel is in the minority here. By the way Weasel do u remember me posting this during the ultimate 11 matches on spike last week. I was surprised that a woman was reffing the fight. This is what (i think it was MMA Junkie) said about the end of the fight.
What i said when iread it.
not sure but is this a girl referee?
Junkie
. Winslow lets a few more land than probably need to, but she eventually pulls Noke off. Kyle Noke def. Josh Bryant via TKO (strikes) - Round 2, 3:12.
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I was referring to the poll Sponge, I forgot to post the results.
Should the ref have stopped the fight earlier then she did
Yes 48%
No 52%
967 participants
As for madjackers.....it is close, 60/40 percentage. Winslow did a good job in NOT stopping the fight. You guys bitch and bitch and bitch at earlier stoppages, glad Finney got to show her heart.
Good job by the ref in letting the fighters fight. She stopped when Finney was done, before that time Finney kept going and going and actually landed some shots. I have said this 100 times, the problem was with the commission, not the ref.
Should the ref have stopped the fight earlier then she did
Yes 48%
No 52%
967 participants
As for madjackers.....it is close, 60/40 percentage. Winslow did a good job in NOT stopping the fight. You guys bitch and bitch and bitch at earlier stoppages, glad Finney got to show her heart.
Good job by the ref in letting the fighters fight. She stopped when Finney was done, before that time Finney kept going and going and actually landed some shots. I have said this 100 times, the problem was with the commission, not the ref.
