Taliban Taking Over in Afghanistan
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Michael Moore compares Taliban takeover to Jan 6th Mostly Peaceful Protest
Michael Moore compared the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 to the Taliban?s takeover of the capital city of Kabul in Afghanistan.
?Their Taliban, our Taliban, everybody?s got a Taliban,? the 67-year-old filmmaker tweeted Tuesday to his millions of followers. (RELATED: US General Expects Terror Threats From The Taliban And Al Qaeda To Increase)
?They?re at their best when they confiscate the halls of power,? he added. (RELATED: ?Dragged?: Meghan McCain Blasts ?Every Single Person In Biden Administration? Over Fall Of Kabul)
The post included two photos, one showing members of the militant group in the presidential palace after President Ashraf Ghani fled the country as the city fell. The other was an image of rioters inside the Capitol building on Jan. 6. (RELATED: Taliban Fighters Enter Kabul After Afghan President Flees)
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Michael Moore compared the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 to the Taliban?s takeover of the capital city of Kabul in Afghanistan.
?Their Taliban, our Taliban, everybody?s got a Taliban,? the 67-year-old filmmaker tweeted Tuesday to his millions of followers. (RELATED: US General Expects Terror Threats From The Taliban And Al Qaeda To Increase)
?They?re at their best when they confiscate the halls of power,? he added. (RELATED: ?Dragged?: Meghan McCain Blasts ?Every Single Person In Biden Administration? Over Fall Of Kabul)
The post included two photos, one showing members of the militant group in the presidential palace after President Ashraf Ghani fled the country as the city fell. The other was an image of rioters inside the Capitol building on Jan. 6. (RELATED: Taliban Fighters Enter Kabul After Afghan President Flees)
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You know, I think you're right up there with some of the biggest stupid itiots on the Internet! Nice work! 🤪
1 Question I have and it's probably 4 or 5 questions inside of a run-on sentence.
Why are there not more Afghanis that have risen up and taken their home politics over or joined the Afghani Army to defend their homeland? The hope that I would have is that through education, the seed of revolution was planted in a 5 through 12 year old over the past 20 years and as they come in to their own being in their community or homeland, that they are able to rally the population to change to a more progressive Afghani society.
None of you could come in to my household and tell me how to run my family but you could provide examples, ideas and education related to running a good family and even if I were too stubborn to adopt the change, hopefully my son would grow up and run his family better.
The US shares responsibility with the current situation but the future of Afghanistan falls squarely on the shoulders of an Afghani, not a US Soldier, General or Politician. There does not seem to be much resistance to the Taliban moving back in. If my wife and child were scared, I would pick up the biggest rock I could find, make peace with my existence and protect them until my final breath. As my body lay decomposing, my wife would pick up a larger rock and defend our son until her last breath. If there is revolution, we should be available to lend support, not lead the charge. If there is not a revolution, we need to shut the fuck up and allow Afghanistan to live in their religious state regardless of our opinions.
I'm about as left as left gets but the scene at the airport was a failure on our current military leadership and their bosses (Yes, I'm eluding to Biden). Planning was inefficient and the reaction to the situation was poor. We should admit our mistakes and learn from them. As the current generation would say, "Take the L Bro"
I don't blame Trump, Obama, Bush or Biden for the Taliban resurgence. If the Afghanis had wanted change, Kabul would not have fallen in a day. Politically, I hated that Trump made a deal with the Taliban but in my list of 100 things that Trump did that Joshnaudi hated, this was probably in the 500's.
I do remember Winter 2001. I felt like I had been punched in the mouth and I wanted to fight back. Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan and I wanted us to go and take him out. I was 25 at the time. Now at 45, I'm hoping that we have not created 100 or 1000 new Bin Ladens. Time will tell.
The final thing I want to convey is that I'm extremely lucky to have met so many of the people here on MJ's. Of those I have met, none have been morans. I ask why have the Afghanis not stepped up because I don't know. My guess is a cultural ideology that I just don't understand. I'm not posing this question because I think I can change any minds. I can't. I tried with DTB many years ago. I didn't change his mind and he didn't change mine. What did happen though is I spent an embarrassing amount of time researching, writing and pondering schemes to make my ideas right and his wrong. I wanted to be smarter than him and make him feel dumb. I'm the big dummy for wanting that. I will never get that time back and that's my biggest loss. To make matters worse, at one of the MJ gatherings, a left leaning buddy told me that DTB and his wife were salt of the Earth and great people. So I'm the dumbass that was trying to put down a person I had never met but would have probably enjoyed hanging out with at an event. It made me think of Hedgie who once said, "Y'all would probably like me if we hung out in real life." That is one of the possible outcomes. JFC.
Our opinions don't mean shit unless the other person values it. So, who's opinion do you value? My advice, talk more to that person.
Why are there not more Afghanis that have risen up and taken their home politics over or joined the Afghani Army to defend their homeland? The hope that I would have is that through education, the seed of revolution was planted in a 5 through 12 year old over the past 20 years and as they come in to their own being in their community or homeland, that they are able to rally the population to change to a more progressive Afghani society.
None of you could come in to my household and tell me how to run my family but you could provide examples, ideas and education related to running a good family and even if I were too stubborn to adopt the change, hopefully my son would grow up and run his family better.
The US shares responsibility with the current situation but the future of Afghanistan falls squarely on the shoulders of an Afghani, not a US Soldier, General or Politician. There does not seem to be much resistance to the Taliban moving back in. If my wife and child were scared, I would pick up the biggest rock I could find, make peace with my existence and protect them until my final breath. As my body lay decomposing, my wife would pick up a larger rock and defend our son until her last breath. If there is revolution, we should be available to lend support, not lead the charge. If there is not a revolution, we need to shut the fuck up and allow Afghanistan to live in their religious state regardless of our opinions.
I'm about as left as left gets but the scene at the airport was a failure on our current military leadership and their bosses (Yes, I'm eluding to Biden). Planning was inefficient and the reaction to the situation was poor. We should admit our mistakes and learn from them. As the current generation would say, "Take the L Bro"
I don't blame Trump, Obama, Bush or Biden for the Taliban resurgence. If the Afghanis had wanted change, Kabul would not have fallen in a day. Politically, I hated that Trump made a deal with the Taliban but in my list of 100 things that Trump did that Joshnaudi hated, this was probably in the 500's.
I do remember Winter 2001. I felt like I had been punched in the mouth and I wanted to fight back. Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan and I wanted us to go and take him out. I was 25 at the time. Now at 45, I'm hoping that we have not created 100 or 1000 new Bin Ladens. Time will tell.
The final thing I want to convey is that I'm extremely lucky to have met so many of the people here on MJ's. Of those I have met, none have been morans. I ask why have the Afghanis not stepped up because I don't know. My guess is a cultural ideology that I just don't understand. I'm not posing this question because I think I can change any minds. I can't. I tried with DTB many years ago. I didn't change his mind and he didn't change mine. What did happen though is I spent an embarrassing amount of time researching, writing and pondering schemes to make my ideas right and his wrong. I wanted to be smarter than him and make him feel dumb. I'm the big dummy for wanting that. I will never get that time back and that's my biggest loss. To make matters worse, at one of the MJ gatherings, a left leaning buddy told me that DTB and his wife were salt of the Earth and great people. So I'm the dumbass that was trying to put down a person I had never met but would have probably enjoyed hanging out with at an event. It made me think of Hedgie who once said, "Y'all would probably like me if we hung out in real life." That is one of the possible outcomes. JFC.
Our opinions don't mean shit unless the other person values it. So, who's opinion do you value? My advice, talk more to that person.
Josh: I think the first question is "Did they ask us to rescue them?". I don't think they wanted us there in the first place and I don't think they wanted us to stay. After 20 years, I don't think they share our values or have any desire to pursue them. We're not the first ones to try and fail at this. Based on those airport videos, a lot of Afghanis would choose us over the Taliban, but that's a fraction of the population.
As I asked Sports, if Muslim extremists took over the US government because they saw our way of life as a threat to humanity, how would that work out? I'm guessing that if they left abruptly (say 20 years later), we'd be installing our preferred style of government within a week.
Perhaps REFLOG or Cricket can post a meme to help clear things up or Skulnik might have a YouTube video that will shed light on all of this.......
Sorry, couldn't help myself. :mj07:
As I asked Sports, if Muslim extremists took over the US government because they saw our way of life as a threat to humanity, how would that work out? I'm guessing that if they left abruptly (say 20 years later), we'd be installing our preferred style of government within a week.
Perhaps REFLOG or Cricket can post a meme to help clear things up or Skulnik might have a YouTube video that will shed light on all of this.......
Sorry, couldn't help myself. :mj07:
Up to 15k US troops stuck in Afghan. WAS A PLAN. READ THIS!!
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The Biden State Department moved in June to cancel a program overseeing the protection and evacuation of American citizens stationed overseas in the case of an emergency, just as the Taliban was taking over Afghanistan, according to an internal State Department memo obtained by the Washington Free Beacon and multiple sources familiar with the matter.
The Biden State Department moved to dissolve the Trump-era crisis response program, according to an internal State Department memo and sources familiar with the matter. That memo, which was marked sensitive but unclassified and was signed by Deputy Secretary Brian McKeon, approved the "discontinuation of the establishment, and termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)," a new State Department entity created during the Trump administration to coordinate emergency response services overseas.
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The Biden State Department moved in June to cancel a program overseeing the protection and evacuation of American citizens stationed overseas in the case of an emergency, just as the Taliban was taking over Afghanistan, according to an internal State Department memo obtained by the Washington Free Beacon and multiple sources familiar with the matter.
The Biden State Department moved to dissolve the Trump-era crisis response program, according to an internal State Department memo and sources familiar with the matter. That memo, which was marked sensitive but unclassified and was signed by Deputy Secretary Brian McKeon, approved the "discontinuation of the establishment, and termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)," a new State Department entity created during the Trump administration to coordinate emergency response services overseas.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/SecDef?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SecDef</a> Austin: "We don't have the capability to go out and collect large numbers of people."<br><br>Full video here: <a href="https://t.co/cE0HJsEUrg">https://t.co/cE0HJsEUrg</a> <a href="https://t.co/utJ88udynO">pic.twitter.com/utJ88udynO</a></p>— CSPAN (@cspan) <a href="https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1428082289741684737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I wasn't ignoring your post I've had two long days on the road and just got home....In the US we would fight that how we are raised, fight in what you believe usually to a fault....9-11 happened and the Country was pissed, most wanted payback and right that second. This is the end result of that, right or wrong...
The Afghans were raised to lay down and accept what they were told, resist and pay the price. That's why I said I thought it would take a couple of generations to change that mindset and it wouldn't happen over 20 years....The older generation is still going to be leery fearing the past will reappear the newer generation will see freedom as more of a norm...
And I'm not saying we should stay there forever--But pick your poison at this point, train/support and fight along side of the Afghans on their soil or wait until the Taliban returns the fight to our soil-- China and Russia will see to that...And I don't claim to have any answers just answering your question.
At the 20 year mark the Afghans are just realizing they can actually have freedom, but it comes with the comfort of US Support....In my opinion (no one else just mine) it will/would have taking much longer to change the fight in the dog (Though their Army did suffered 50-60 Thousand Deaths fighting the Taliban....So there was fight there)....
Now I'm going to sleep....:0008
I don't think they wanted us there in the first place and there wasn't a period of time that would change that. We bombed the shit out of that country and a lot of innocent Afghan people died. There has to be some serious resentment over that and the invasion/occupation. I don't understand the part about them realizing they can have freedom because it doesn't seem like freedom to have your American overlords, armed and dressed in military fatigues, living among you for 20 years.
I've been thinking about your comment about us being less safe now. The Taliban has been around the whole time and protected by Pakistan, so it isn't like they materialized once we left. Yes, they have access to all the military goods left behind but that doesn't affect any of us on American soil.
I'm just playing armchair quarterback like many here, I had no say/interest in the occupation of Afghanistan 20 years ago.
The men/women/children/workers definitely aren't free today in Afghanistan, they are scared shitless wondering when their last breath may/will be...
Afghan "Freedom" under the US military/overlords watch, you mean being able to work/speak/go to school/start their own business/walk around in public without the risk of being beheaded by the US military....
Compared to their life before, sound pretty "normal/good" to me.
I haven't seen any interviews over the years of the Afghans complaining and wishing for the Good ole' days...Maybe be there are some youtube videos you could link here showing their anger of the forced freedom they've suffered under the last 20 years from the US?....
Should we have been forcing the US lifestyle/way of life down their throat the last 20 years, that's debatable... But on the flipside were they forced to be in the new "freedom lifestyle" made available by the US. were they also free to go into the hills to submit like the good ole days to the fine folks held up there for the last 20 years?
Which would you choose for you and your family G, hills or the harsh conditions under the US watch? How many Afghan woman and children have chosen to head for the hills to live over the last 20 years, there must be numbers out there somewhere, any idea what the percentage is---were they free to go?
As far as being less safe, the Taliban just overran the US/Afghan in a matter of days....Many (Thousands) Afghans will be arriving in the US to start new lives...I'm sure a number of members of the different sleeper cells would love to be the ones to successfully pull off the next 9-11 here, where will they be starting their recruiting. I hope I'm wrong, I'll own it if I am.
That's where this really breaks down. We're trying to view this through our American lens. I don't want to live in the Middle Eastern desert governed by Sharia Law. Of course I'd want the American military to protect me and my family. But, I didn't grow up there in a strict religious society that believes the West are infidels.
When the US trained Afghan military, armed with weapons we provided, was confronted by the Taliban they gave up without trying. No shots fired, just gave up. That doesn't make sense to us because we would fight to preserve "freedom" and democracy. But, they didn't. That should be very telling. It seems like the people that were there just went along with the program that the US had instilled because it was the path of least resistance. They got a taste of it bit when asked to defend it and keep it going on their own, they rejected it.
When the US trained Afghan military, armed with weapons we provided, was confronted by the Taliban they gave up without trying. No shots fired, just gave up. That doesn't make sense to us because we would fight to preserve "freedom" and democracy. But, they didn't. That should be very telling. It seems like the people that were there just went along with the program that the US had instilled because it was the path of least resistance. They got a taste of it bit when asked to defend it and keep it going on their own, they rejected it.
Not sure all chose not to fight, thought I heard there was 6-700 forces guarding the outside perimeter at the airport. They just said that half of the Afghanistan 12-18 yr old Robotics Team decided to stay behind and be a part of the new Afghanistan, that says something....
Last political post for the day for me, enjoyed the chat...I did get to listen to NPR on my way to/back from Logan last night plus a few Boston late night political talk shows it was nice hearing both sides voice their views without shots fired....:0008
Last tidbit for today, I had the pleasure of running a group of students yesterday morning from the University of Florida to the Portland Jet Port...They just spent a week on an island with no comps/phones/electricity ect. through our local Outward Bound Program...As they enter the van I enjoyed listening to their chatter about their unique experience...
About 10 mins down the road one opened their phone to learn about the hurricane and Hattie....Another started reading about Afghanistan, all seemed to have been Biden voters...They were shocked/mad that this situation unfolded this way....One comment that stuck out was "Biden must have really screwed up if CNN is bashing him too"....
They also learned that the booster shot will soon be available....Didn't seem to concern them at all, a couple even checked to see when the were eligible to receive their shot...Was nice to be able to sit back and just listen to their views without any of my input...
I have a second group of students from UF going back on Saturday morning to the Jet Port that have been media free for a week too...It will be interesting listening to their views when they starting learning about current events....
I agree, he has been the biggest shit stirrer on this site, since I've been here.
Maybe Jack is desperate for golf partners? Fore! :weed:
Villains have always sold more tickets than heroes.
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I'm great for business!!!
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