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What happens if election results are contested?
Amber Phillips 1 hr ago

As President Trump?s path to victory and his legal options dwindle, he and his allies are publicly floating ways to get around what it looks like the voters will decide.
The president twice this week stood in the White House and falsely declared himself the winner, strongly suggesting ballots cast for him are legal and ballots cast against him are illegal.

Then on Friday as his lead narrowed further, he tweeted that he wanted Republican state lawmakers in Pennsylvania and the U.S. Supreme Court to help him out.

Legislative bodies and the courts do have roles in the election, even determining results. But there may not be much state lawmakers, Congress and the Supreme Court can do to help Trump ? unless there?s an electoral college tie.

Here?s why.


State legislatures? role in who wins: Not much, after the election is held
Normally, Congress and state legislatures are in the background of how elections are run. Congress sets the election date, and state legislatures figure out among themselves how to best hold them.

State legislatures decide how electors are chosen: For more than a century, that has meant every state has allotted electors based on which presidential candidate won the popular vote in that state.

When this would become an issue: There are a number of swing states that are both crucial to the election and have divided control of government. Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania all have Democratic governors but Republican-controlled legislatures, which could lead to partisan battles over how to allot electors should it not be clear who won.

A drawn-out counting process in Pennsylvania in particular has national Democrats on edge. Some fear Republican lawmakers could take advantage of post-election chaos to hand Trump a win, especially after these GOP lawmakers were quoted in an Atlantic article as having discussed the possibility with the Trump campaign. The top state House and Senate Republicans wrote an op-ed in October saying the legislature has no role to play in choosing electors. It?s a stance they reiterated this week, but with the caveat that ?under normal circumstances? they won?t play a role. Some interpreted that as leaving the door open for the legislature to intervene.

Where choosing electors might run up against the law: States can constitutionally change how electors are chosen, but they?d have to change the rules before Election Day, not after.

That?s according to experts on law, the Constitution and democracy from a wide ideological range on the cross-partisan National Task Force on Election Crises. Doing so, they argue, would violate federal law that requires that all states appoint their electors based on what happens on Election Day.

Where things could get messy: What if state lawmakers, getting pressure from Trump, decide they do have the authority to pick electors after Election Day based on results different from the outcome of the election?

Such a move would almost certainly get challenged in courts, but what if the courts agree? The Supreme Court?s conservative justices in particular have been inclined in voting rights cases to side with Republican legislatures.

Congress?s role in who wins: Settle a tie

Its job is to certify states? results. The chambers of the new Congress meet in a joint session and count the states? votes in January, a few weeks before the inauguration. This is usually a formality.

When this would become an issue: What happens if there is a tie? If Trump manages to win Pennsylvania, Arizona and Nevada, it could end up in a 269-269 electoral tie.

Then Congress gets to basically decide the winner. Under the 12th Amendment of the Constitution, the Senate chooses the vice president and the House chooses the president.

They do that by voting. But they don?t vote in the traditional manner, where each individual lawmaker has a vote. To break a tie, each state gets just one vote. Even though Democrats hold a majority of individual votes, Republicans currently comprise the majority of the congressional delegations in a majority of states. That means Republicans have more votes, and a tie would likely to go Trump.

Where this could get even messier: This is all spelled out in a very confusingly written law called the Electoral Count Act that was derived from another messy presidential election in 1876. ?It?s inscrutable,? said Mary McCord, a former top Justice Department official and visiting professor at Georgetown Law University School.

And that means there are lots of pieces open to interpretation ? and fighting about what to do.

The Supreme Court?s role in who wins: Settle a legal dispute about voting
The court does not technically have an explicit constitutional mechanism to decide the winner, like Congress does. But the court can rule on individual cases that could decide the winner, like it did with Florida in 2000.

Any legal battles in 2020 are likely to be about whether late-arriving mailed ballots should be counted, or whether voters had enough time to correct incorrectly filled-out ballots, or whether they even should get a chance to correct them. These are relatively granular issues, but if things come down to one state, they could matter a lot.

The Trump campaign has been filing legal challenges already, and the lower courts have been circumspect. Judges in at least two states have thrown out cases because the Trump campaign hasn?t produced evidence of fraud. And the Supreme Court will only hear a case that first goes through the lower ones.
 

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I didn't catch this. 5dimes did, in fact, have lines on October 2 and I posted right from their site probably within 30 seconds. If you'd like to wager on that I am sure I can get it confirmed by top brass there that I posted exactly the way they had it posted.

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Well you would have won Jack, oh well:cry:
 

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McConnell shrugs off Trump concession delay
Dareh Gregorian and Julie Tsirkin 2 hrs ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/mcconnell-shrugs-trump-concession-delay-n1247174

Nov. 9, 2020, 4:55 PM EST

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday hailed Republican victories in last week's election before saying President Donald Trump was right not to concede the presidential race because no states have certified their results yet.

"According to preliminary results, voters across the nation elected and re-elected Republican senators to a degree that actually stunned prognosticators. Likewise the American people, seem to have reacted to House Democrats' radicalism and obstruction by shrinking the speaker's majority and electing more Republicans," McConnell, R-Ky., who was re-elected last week, said on the Senate floor.

President-elect Joe Biden has captured almost 5 million more votes than Trump and was projected the winner in the race on Saturday after Pennsylvania's 20 electoral votes put him over the 270 electoral votes needed to win. While numerous world leaders have congratulated Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, only a handful of Republicans have done the same.

"Obviously, no states have yet certified their election results. We have at least one or two states that are already on track to a recount, and I believe the president may have legal challenges underway in at least five states," McConnell said, before echoing a line used by other top Republicans in recent days.

President Trump is 100 percent within his rights to look into allegations of irregularities and weigh his legal options," McConnell said. "Suffice it to say, a few legal inquiries from the president do not exactly spell the end of the republic."

McConnell did not acknowledge Biden?s win, instead saying the, ?Constitution gives no role in this process to wealthy media corporations.?

He also chastised Democrats, saying, ?Let's not have any lectures, no lectures about how the president should immediately, cheerfully accept preliminary election results from the same characters who just spent four years refusing to accept the validity of the last election.?

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called the claims of widespread voter fraud by Trump and his supporters "dangerous" and "extremely poisonous."

"As in any campaign, the president has a right to bring legal challenges or request recounts where state law allows. However, there is no legal right to file frivolous claims. Lawsuits must have basis in facts and evidence. And make no mistake, there has been no evidence of any significant or widespread voter fraud. Joe Biden won this election fair and square. The margins of his victory are growing by the day," Schumer said.

He acknowledged there's "no law or requirement" that Trump "concede or leave the office with grace," but said history will "surely note how this president and his Republican allies here in Congress treated our democracy on his way out the door."
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ial-votes-pennsylvania-georgia-arizona-nevada


Joe Biden has been elected the 46th president of the United States
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Keep repeating your mantra "the end justifies the means" 70million + disagree. Biden, Harris,Schiff, Pelosi Shumer ....you gotta be kiddin me if you think they deserve anybody's trust. We are probably stuck with these results,so we'll try it your way.Time will tell.

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Who?s Going to Tell Him? Republicans Shy From Asking Trump to Concede
President Trump?s iron grip on his party has inspired love for him among many Republican lawmakers, and fear in others. Neither group will tell him it is time to concede his loss.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede.html

By Catie Edmondson
Nov. 10, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON ? Since he was elected, President Trump?s relationships with Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill have mostly fallen into one of two categories: the unbreakable bond with his most ardent followers, who defend him at all costs, and the tenuous, strained alliance with the rest, who share his agenda but often cringe privately at his language and tactics.

Neither group is particularly well suited for the chore of trying to persuade Mr. Trump, who refuses to concede the election, that it is time to step aside ? or at the very least, to stop spreading claims about the integrity of the nation?s elections that are contrary to considerable evidence. And there is little chance that Mr. Trump, who has been perplexed and sometimes enraged by the Republican institutionalists who might normally be expected to play such a role, would listen if they did.

The dynamic helps explain why, days after President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. was declared the winner of the election, even Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, was unwilling to recognize the result. Instead, senators have tiptoed around ? or in some cases blindly run past ? the reality of Mr. Trump?s loss, and the lack of evidence to suggest widespread election fraud or improprieties that could reverse that result.

?There is no bipartisanship to speak of, in terms of how many members are willing to speak up ? and would it matter to him? Would he listen?? said William S. Cohen, a former senator and House member from Maine who was one of the first Republicans to break from his party and support the impeachment of President Richard M. Nixon. ?Trump doesn?t care a whit about the House or Senate, and he rules by fear. He still can inflame his supporters ? there are 70 million out there. He still carries that fear factor.?

By Monday evening, a club of only a few Republican senators known for their distaste for Mr. Trump ? Mitt Romney of Utah, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska ? had acknowledged Mr. Biden?s victory.

Mr. McConnell, who is poised to be the top Republican in Washington during the coming Biden administration, threw his support behind Mr. Trump, declining to recognize Mr. Biden?s victory as he argued Mr. Trump was ?100 percent within his rights? to challenge the outcome.

Far from attempting to influence the president?s thinking, most Republicans have gone out of their way to avoid seeming to dictate what he should do.

?I look forward to the president dealing with this however he needs to deal with it,? Senator Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican on Mr. McConnell?s leadership team, said on ABC?s ?This Week? on Sunday, even as he noted that it ?seems unlikely? that the outcome would change based on Mr. Trump?s legal claims.

Some of the Mr. Trump?s acolytes, on the other hand, have rushed to advance his baseless theories of fraud. Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue of Georgia, both of whom are facing runoff elections in January, demanded the resignation of their state?s top election official, a fellow Republican, after he said there was no evidence of widespread fraud in the state?s elections.

Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the Republican leader, also insisted that Mr. Trump was right to contest the results of the election.

?Every legal challenge must be heard,? Mr. McCarthy said. ?Then and only then does America decide who won the race.?


In 1974, as President Richard M. Nixon faced the Watergate scandal and the strong likelihood of impeachment and conviction, a cadre of powerful Republican lawmakers marched to the White House and one by one, naming lawmakers in their own party who were prepared to vote to convict him, told him it was time for him to go. The message was clear, and Mr. Nixon announced his resignation the next day.


Expect no such reckoning for Mr. Trump, said Timothy Naftali, the founding director of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum and a professor at New York University.
 

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Proof of election fraud!

Proof of election fraud!

Here you go. An anonymized Trump providing proof that there was indeed election fraud. ROTFL

Also, "No one has less regard for the intelligence of Fox viewers than Fox hosts." And rightfully so.

Peace! :)


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one has less regard for the intelligence of Fox viewers than Fox hosts. 👇🏻 <a href="https://t.co/9i3aYfpnEe">https://t.co/9i3aYfpnEe</a></p>— Danny Zuker (@DannyZuker) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyZuker/status/1326388014780731392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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You really can't make this shit up.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mississippi state Rep. Price Wallace (R) said that, rather be ruled by Biden, the state should "succeed" from the US. This news in after Georgia Republicans were not able to spell "Georgia" correctly in an open letter. <a href="https://t.co/M5qlcC8v1r">pic.twitter.com/M5qlcC8v1r</a></p>— Christian Christensen (@ChrChristensen) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrChristensen/status/1326569929806647298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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'Abuse of the rule of law': 1,000 ex-judges, legal experts slam Trump's false claims of voter fraud

Kristine Phillips
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...fraud-claims-slammed-ex-officials/6276446002/

WASHINGTON ? A group of 1,000 attorneys, including retired federal and state judges, state attorneys general and law professors criticized the Trump administration over baseless claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

"Every candidate has a right to ensure that an election is conducted lawfully. However, court challenges, if any, must be based on facts, on evidence," stated the letter, which asked public officials to stop making false claims of systemic fraud that President Donald Trump has claimed "stole" the election from him.

"The President of the United States has directed the filing of court cases seeking to stop ballots from being counted on the ground that there has been widespread ballot fraud. His sons have sharply criticized Republicans who are not backing their father?s claims,"

Republican lawmakers, including Sens. Ted Cruz, Lindsay Graham and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, have made statements backing Trump's lawsuits and claims of fraud.

In a statement, Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh said: "The President owes it to the 73 million people who voted for him to ensure that the election was fair and secure, and he also owes it to everyone who voted for Biden. Every American deserves the peace of mind that our elections are sound."

Trump had 72,319,510 votes. More than 77 million Americans voted for President-elect Joe Biden, winning the popular vote by about 5 million.

Trump campaign lawsuits

Trump has so far refused to concede to Biden, who beat the president in key battleground states that Trump won in 2016. The Trump campaign has filed a flurry of state and federal lawsuits in five states where Biden won to challenge election results, stop the counting of votes or block results from getting certified.

What's at stake:Trump campaign's challenge of election results in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Arizona push US toward 'loss of democracy'

But legal experts said that the Trump campaign is highly unlikely to succeed in court. The president's legal team would have to convince judges that widespread fraud exists and could change the outcome of the election, but they have provided scant evidence and such allegations of systemic problems have so far failed to hold up in court.

In Michigan, a federal lawsuit filed earlier this week relied heavily on dozens of anecdotes from affidavits from poll watchers to support the claim that something sinister had occurred. Although the witnesses claimed being denied access to the vote counting, intimidation, ballot-counting problems, glitches and backdating of ballots, the allegations don't show widespread voter fraud. Local election officials have also denied that ballots were improperly backdated, saying an incident was the result of human error and has been corrected.

In Arizona, where the president's campaign has alleged "systemic, improper" vote overrides, a lawyer for the campaign acknowledged during a hearing that it is not alleging fraud but is simply raising concerns about a limited number of "good faith errors."

In Pennsylvania, the Trump campaign has alleged that its poll observers were denied access to vote counts in Philadelphia. But during a recent hearing, a lawyer for the campaign acknowledged the opposite, saying there's "a non-zero number" of observers present during ballot counting. The campaign also filed a lawsuit this week broadly attacking the state's mail-in voting system, but legal experts said the case has little chance of succeeding.

'Abuse of the rule of law' and 'assault on democracy'
The letter, which was signed by former Democratic and Republican administration officials, called out attorneys representing Trump, citing the American Barr Association's code of conduct barring lawyers from misleading the court.

"While an apparently defeated candidate has the right to pursue challenges that are authorized by law, it is an abuse of the rule of law to file charges that lack an objective evidentiary basis, and it is a violation of attorney ethics to represent a party that files such charges purely for political purposes," said Stuart Gerson, a former Justice Department official under the presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton and one of the letter's signers.

Michael Frisch, an ethics counsel at Georgetown Law and former disciplinary prosecutor in Washington, D.C. said, the president is trying to sow doubt on the legitimacy of an election that he lost by creating a narrative "that's very much like birtherism."

"Elected officials, whether they're senators, Cabinet members or lawyers representing the president, should have a responsibility to ensure that when claims are being made in court, that there is substantial basis in fact on those claims," said Scott Harshbarger, former state attorney general in Massachusetts. "What we have seen is that there is simply no basis for this continued assault ? it is an assault on democracy."

Barr memo:Attorney General William Barr's election fraud memo brings new storm to Justice Department

The letter also singled out Attorney General William Barr who, earlier this week, authorized federal prosecutors to pursue allegations of voting irregularities before election results have been certified. The action, detailed in a carefully worded two-page memo, bucked decades of Justice Department policy that prohibited interventions that could influence election results and opened the department to claims of partisan interference that could delay the traditional post-election transfer of power.

The attorney general told prosecutors they could open inquiries "if there are clear and apparently-credible allegations of irregularities that, if true, could potentially impact the outcome of a federal election in an individual State."

A Justice Department official previously said that Trump did not direct Barr to take action. But the timing of the memo drew nearly as much notice as its contents, with Trump's legal team largely failing in their efforts to contest voting in several swing states.

The Justice Department didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Contributing: Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY, The Detroit Free Press, The Arizona Republic
 

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Trump Publicly Acknowledges Biden Win For First Time Then Quickly Backtracks
The president continued to push baseless voter fraud allegations and falsely claimed the election was ?rigged.?
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By Hayley Miller

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trum...ac3c5b68baab0fd2ccc?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000618

In a tweet Sunday, President Donald Trump continued to spread false claims about the election but also appeared to publicly acknowledged for the first time that President-elect Joe Biden won the contest.

Trump has repeatedly ― and falsely ― declared victory in the election, despite virtually all major media networks projecting Biden as the winner. Multiple world leaders and Republican lawmakers have congratulated Biden on his win as the Democrat?s team has begun the transition process.

?He won because the Election was Rigged,? Trump wrote in his tweet Sunday, referring to Biden.

Though Trump has repeatedly claimed the election was ?rigged? and has pushed baseless allegations of voter fraud and ballot-counting irregularities, his campaign has failed to produce any evidence of widespread issues.

In his tweet, Trump falsely claimed election observers weren?t allowed at polling places. Both Republican and Democratic election observers were permitted inside polling places, as lawyers for the president?s reelection campaign have admitted.

Trump also suggested that Dominion Voting Systems Corp., a company that sells electronic voting software, manipulated ballots or inaccurately tabulated votes. But election experts and officials in several states have rejected the president?s claim.

Twitter quickly slapped a warning on Trump?s tweet, noting his claim about election fraud is ?disputed.?

?WE WILL WIN!? Trump wrote in a subsequent tweet Sunday.

Trump later tweeted that he concedes ?NOTHING? and that Biden had ?only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA.?

Tump?s public acknowledgment of Biden?s victory comes on the heels of a massive pro-Trump rally in Washington on Saturday in which attendees echoed the president?s claims of a rigged election.

The rally, dubbed the ?Million MAGA March? by participants, drew thousands of Trump supporters as well as counter-demonstrators. Violent clashes between the two parties erupted after nightfall on Saturday, leading to at least one stabbing and more than a dozen arrests.
 
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