UFC 104

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

What fight decision was worse?

Hammil vs Bisping
Shogun vs Machida

and well, apparently we should throw Liddell vs Jardine and Rampage vs Griffin in there..

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Shogun Jacked Machida's legs.

Shogun Jacked Machida's body.

Shogun cracked Machida with the harder shots.

Shogun was the agressor.

Every time Machida did land, Shogu took the play away by chasing and hitting him. He never let Machida have the last word.

Machida landed some nice knee's.

1. Shogun jacked Machida's legs - Agreed.

2. Shogun jacked Machida's body - Did you see the damage from the knees and body kicks landed to Rua? Throw out Rogan's commentary, and I bet the average person says Rua lost that battle.

3. Shogun cracked Machida with harder shots - I disagree. Who got wobbled multiple times? Watch the fight again (without commentary). Rua was stunned at least three times after which Rogan complimented Rua's body kicks. It was ridiculous.

4. Shogun was the agressor - No doubt. I probably would have leaned his way for that very reason.

5. Machida never got the last word on the exchanges - You really need to rewatch the fight. Rua was stunned big time after some leg kicks were countered with straight punches. Rogan's commentary ignored it.

6. Machida landed some nice knees - Not only were they nice, they were the single most devastating blows of the entire fight. Rua did the long term damage with leg kicks but Machida's knees were huge.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

1. Shogun jacked Machida's legs - Agreed.

2. Shogun jacked Machida's body - Did you see the damage from the knees and body kicks landed to Rua? Throw out Rogan's commentary, and I bet the average person says Rua lost that battle.

3. Shogun cracked Machida with harder shots - I disagree. Who got wobbled multiple times? Watch the fight again (without commentary). Rua was stunned at least three times after which Rogan complimented Rua's body kicks. It was ridiculous.

4. Shogun was the agressor - No doubt. I probably would have leaned his way for that very reason.

5. Machida never got the last word on the exchanges - You really need to rewatch the fight. Rua was stunned big time after some leg kicks were countered with straight punches. Rogan's commentary ignored it.

6. Machida landed some nice knees - Not only were they nice, they were the single most devastating blows of the entire fight. Rua did the long term damage with leg kicks but Machida's knees were huge.

Stunned big time? LMFAO

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Cecil Peoples was one of the Judges...good god, no wonder LMFAO

2 Judges gave Machida 1-2-3, Shogun 4-5
1 Judge gave Shogun 1 + 4

 

[weepaul]

1. Shogun jacked Machida's legs - Agreed.

2. Shogun jacked Machida's body - Did you see the damage from the knees and body kicks landed to Rua? Throw out Rogan's commentary, and I bet the average person says Rua lost that battle.

3. Shogun cracked Machida with harder shots - I disagree. Who got wobbled multiple times? Watch the fight again (without commentary). Rua was stunned at least three times after which Rogan complimented Rua's body kicks. It was ridiculous.

4. Shogun was the agressor - No doubt. I probably would have leaned his way for that very reason.

5. Machida never got the last word on the exchanges - You really need to rewatch the fight. Rua was stunned big time after some leg kicks were countered with straight punches. Rogan's commentary ignored it.

6. Machida landed some nice knees - Not only were they nice, they were the single most devastating blows of the entire fight. Rua did the long term damage with leg kicks but Machida's knees were huge.

Maybe I should become a judge as I never seen Rua stunned big time at any point so I must be as blind as those 3 Cunts with the white sticks. :toast:

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Stunned big time? LMFAO

Who was stumbling straight backwards again?

Come on man, rewatch the fight. The most significant damage in any one exchange was done by Machida, hands down. The knees and the combinations delivered during Rua's kicks. Rua would have won by octagon control and aggression.

You said Machida's face was cut up. He had a split lip. Not exactly a difference maker.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Maybe I should become a judge as I never seen Rua stunned big time at any point so I must be as blind as those 3 Cunts with the white sticks. :toast:

Really? You didn't see Rua throw any kicks that were countered with straight punches that had him stumbling backwards? I must have imagined them.

 

[gardenweasel]

I'm no Teeny Bopper but I am in full blown Hissy fit mode :toast:

\
wee,my condolences to rua backers...a tough loss.......glad i was on a budget...

but those kids are downright scary...

lemme see?...do i go over and watch the kids fling feces or watch "the 5th element" for the 15th time?....

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Who was stumbling straight backwards again?

Come on man, rewatch the fight. The most significant damage in any one exchange was done by Machida, hands down. The knees and the combinations delivered during Rua's kicks. Rua would have won by octagon control and aggression.

You said Machida's face was cut up. He had a split lip. Not exactly a difference maker.

Stumbling? Good god, that happens in just about every fight LOL

Did he stumble or get rocked hard? ie Stunned? His stumbling simply could've been by tripping over, or as you see, Shogun does alot of spinning after exchanges.

You rewatch the fight as well. I know I will, but my mind isn't changing.

The homer in me said 5-0 Shogun, the desperate me said 4-1 Shogun. I personally haven't had a reaction after a decision like this since the Bisping/Hammil fight. I didnt think it was even close(to figure out who won the fight).

 

[weepaul]

Really? You didn't see Rua throw any kicks that were countered with straight punches that had him stumbling backwards? I must have imagined them.

I'm usually in agreement with you on a lot of MMA fights and almost never in agreement with Bucks but I think you are way off on this one.

I seen Rua LAND hard kicks and Machida sometimes getting a counterpunch through, which would cause Rua to stumble a bit and then reset but this tends to happen when your on one foot even if you are pushed.

Did I see Rua rocked??? Not in this lifetime.

 

[kickserv]

First off....I picked Machida........

2nd....this wasn't "Highway robbery" or "the worst decision ever" and all that crap.


But Shogun won that fight. But let's not get carried away it was a close fight, but Shogun did win.



Oh and my selections sucked ass:mj07:

Man was I horrific, I just plain sucked:142smilie



As for Johnson........be nice if he could make weight:142smilie


oh and GSP is amazing:tongue

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I'm usually in agreement with you on a lot of MMA fights and almost never in agreement with Bucks but I think you are way off on this one.

I seen Rua LAND hard kicks and Machida sometimes getting a counterpunch through, which would cause Rua to stumble a bit and then reset but this tends to happen when your on one foot even if you are pushed.

Did I see Rua rocked??? Not in this lifetime.

As I mentioned earlier, I think this could have gone either way, but I think (whether it was because Rua was on one foot or not) the effect of him falling backwards on the counterattacks played a large role in the judges decision. I do think Rua was rocked on at least one of them, but I am biased (as are others).

At least I'm not coming out saying that I saw the fight 5-0 like Bucs. I thought the fight was a toss up with Rua getting the edge in Aggression and Machida landing the most significant blows.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

First off....I picked Machida........

2nd....this wasn't "Highway robbery" or "the worst decision ever" and all that crap.


But Shogun won that fight. But let's not get carried away it was a close fight, but Shogun did win.



Oh and my selections sucked ass:mj07:

Man was I horrific, I just plain sucked:142smilie



As for Johnson........be nice if he could make weight:142smilie


oh and GSP is amazing:tongue

I will definitely back off a bit. Machida was lucky to get the win and I think showed a lot of vulnerability. I thought he had a chance at the decision, but if I would have bet on it before the results, I probably would have leaned Shogun because he was the aggressor.

At least he didn't tap due to punches (like someone else I know).

 

[THE_THONG]

"nerd raging"

that cracked me up, funnay ass shit by joz
:mj07:

 

[SixFive]

epic fail for me. Totally got involved with something else and forgot to watch the fights. :mj07: what a focking loser I am. :nono:

 

[kickserv]

6/5.....can watch DREAM.....it is on right now....:SIB

 

[kickserv]

Oh and for those that are impressed with Anthony Johnson, there is another guy in the division that is even more impressive.


Marius Zaromskis is his name.



1. GSP

2. Fitch

3. Marius Zaromskis


Yep those are top 3 in the world in that division, don't forget that.

 

[layinwood]

Kegray nailed this one on the head. If you have to dominate the champ to be the champ then nobody will be able to beat Machida. He proved all he has to do is run and get a few punches in.

Shogun had the PERFECT strategy going for kicks to the legs and body. Mainly the leg because of how far out the front one is in the karate stance.

I don't want to look back thru the thread but whoever is saying Shogun stumbled a few times when he was hit, he stumbles because he kicked either before or after the hit. Machida didn't have one punch that he didn't pay for. Everytime he punched Shogun made him pay for hit with a kick. A lot of times when Shogun was busting up his side or leg Machida would kick. Just because Shogun is on one leg, gets hit and it makes him stumble doesn't make it a big hit. He was simply on one leg and couldn't maintain his balance.

I've gone back over the fight(because I couldn't sleep). I watched it with no sound and kept a score in my head of kicks and hits. It wasn't close. I have slept since then but it was over 2 to 1 in kicks and punches landed.

Shogun may not have dominated him but he did win. Machida did nothing to win, I think at best he won 2 rounds and those 2 are very questionable.

I don't recall Machida ever changing stances in any fight but he did in this one and really had to. His lead leg was getting blasted.

I use to love boxing when I was young but stopped watching it because I thought it was too crooked to enjoy. I really hope the UFC doesn't get that way.

 

[kegray1]

Machida is like the "Karate Kid".







The Hillary Swank version.



I hate this guy because he SO damn BORING.
I will not pay to see this guy in a main event again. You just sit at home and watch it for free on the internet like the rest of america.

 

[layinwood]

Can't wait to see Dana's blog. I know I maybe biased but I think Shogun deserves an immediate rematch. The problem is, I don't know what he can do differently. Does he have to go balls to the wall attacking Machida, which plays into Machida's strength?

There were a lot of questions about Shogun going into this fight and I think he answered them. He did deserve to be there and made a good showing for himself and like I said before, his cardio is no worry. The Forrest and Coleman fights weren't the norm.