UFC 79 - December 29th - Las Vegas, Nevada

[kickserv]

UFC Record (since UFC 58)
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Prop Bet 1-4
Fighter vs. Fighter 51-37
Parlays 18-21

+29.95 Joe Rogans



ok this will not come as a shock to anyone......but odds have increased a bit on my boy....so getting wager in now:


Georges St. Pierre beat Matt Hughes $1.50 *9 Joe Rogans :scared :scared :scared


yes..........as most of you know I love GSP, he's my man crush. But with that being said, he's going to beat Hughes, it is as simple as that :SIB He already had his bad loss (Serra) and he ain't losing again. And you don't have to worry about the "short time" for GSP, he'll be in shape and ready to fight..............I assure you:SIB


and did I mention that GSP is the greatest human being on planet earth...........yes....I think I did :00hour



also.........I think it's time for more of these over-rated Pride guys (insert names here) to lose in the UFC. The UFC has shown how over-rated Pride was, nobody can argue that. But yes, Chuck hasn't looked good, but I think he'll wake back up and beat an over-confident Wanderlei Silva. Not a huge fan of the low odds on Lyoto Machida but I think he'll get by an over-rated Rameau Sokoudjou. I may not wager on either of these fights, but I must admit that Chuck at odds of $2.05 does look appealing:SIB


Of course this is MMA, and underdogs win all the time. With exception of GSP/Hughes, no way Hughes gets by GSP, he has nothing and I repeat... NOTHING to harm GSP..........zip:SIB

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

also.........I think it's time for more of these over-rated Pride guys (insert names here) to lose in the UFC. The UFC has shown how over-rated Pride was, nobody can argue that. But yes, Chuck hasn't looked good, but I think he'll wake back up and beat an over-confident Wanderlei Silva. Not a huge fan of the low odds on Lyoto Machida but I think he'll get by an over-rated Rameau Sokoudjou. I may not wager on either of these fights, but I must admit that Chuck at odds of $2.05 does look appealing:SIB

I don't think these Pride guys are as overrated as you think.

In todays rules and such, Wanderlei Silva woulda stayed in the UFC after beating Tito Ortiz(old rules made Ortiz the lay-n-pray winner), and ran supreme in the UFC.

One thing you gotta know is I think these Pride guys aren't used to the cage aspect. I don't think alot of them are used to the grapling aspect of it.

HOWEVER, I think the guys who have background in Muyai Thai, like Anderson Silva, Wanderlei Silva, don't have the big adjustment to make. They're already used to it. These guys are "pride guys" if you will, and Wanderlei has fought in a cage, and he'll be fine with that aspect. He doesn't have to worry about Liddell taking him down, so that's HUGE.

Wanderlei is changing, and I like it. He's admitted himself that there's things he needs to do. That's why he moved to the US.

 

[YankeeBaseball]

whats up fellas, havent put any action on MMA before but i watch every single fight that is available.

Watching Chuck over the past few years is exactly what the UFC needed but lately he looks scared in the cage. he looks scared to take a punch, it doesnt look like anyone is scared of him anymore and now they just stand toe to toe with him. dont get me wrong Chuck is still Chuck and he is capable of beating anyone. i would love nothing more than to see him get back on his winning ways but i wouldnt put any action on this one. sit back and enjoy this one as it go either way.

let me just add this forum is great and hopefully i can add a little bit of insite from time to time.
i have directv and this HDNet channel which has fights on almost every week. they are showing Fedor fight on new years eve and even tonite they have live fights. its the best channel on tv, i think Mark Cuban owns this channel
have a great nite and happy holidays

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Cuban does indeed own HDNet as well as HDNet fights

 

[layinwood]

Wow, I'm a big MMA fan and I'll watch any fights that come on but there should be no under card fights on tv for these lesser orgs. That was painful last night. Too many guys out of Lindland's camp, which has a high % of wrestlers. That's good here and there but for every fight to have a guy that wrestles makes for long boring fights and when you have (I can't remember but it was a at least 3hours worth) of straight lay and pray it's hard to watch.

 

[gambinoshark]

really like sokadjou (sp?) especially @ +130 odds, guys is a beast....

 

[The Sponge]

I think i am going with Lidel here. Although i don't like Chucks boxing style I still think it is better than Vandy's. I think all this talk of him barely having a chance will get to him. Boy the way the hype is going you would think this is a mismatch. Like Vandy never lost a fight in his life. It would really be nice to know how Chucks training is going. After seeing him on that one show slurring his words i hope he has that situation under control. Chuck for a small play. Chuck usually beats these ground and pounders and JuJitsu guys. The Tito's, the Babalou's, The Coulture's. Its the Rampages of the world he can't take. I know Vandy owns Rampage but styles make fights. Just my opinion which might be completely wrong. Oh by the way Dana if you are listening can you put another fight on the Henderson/Silva match? I know you have me hooked in already for this card but how about throwing me a bone? Hey you yourself said the differance between Boxing and MMA is that Boxing only gives you one good fight and most times that isn't even goo. Im sure out of your fifty thousand fighters you can find another two i would enjoy watching. God forbid either Henderson or Anderson gets hurt. That card will be as useful as Bucksnotyucks ripping me for taking Chuck.:SIB

 

[kickserv]

I see odds on Chuck are getting better......good for Chuck backers (like me). And did I happen to mention that GSP is going to win.....not sure if I did:rimshot


Hughes........:s1: :s1: :00x4

 

[The Sponge]

I see odds on Chuck are getting better......good for Chuck backers (like me). And did I happen to mention that GSP is going to win.....not sure if I did:rimshot


Hughes........:s1: :s1: :00x4

Kick i think you will enjoy this. Scroll to the interview with GSP
http://radio.betus.com/

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Chuck usually beats these ground and pounders and JuJitsu guys. The Tito's, the Babalou's, The Coulture's. Its the Rampages of the world he can't take. I know Vandy owns Rampage but styles make fights. Just my opinion which might be completely wrong.

Wandy isn't a ground and pounder, and he's not a JuJitsu guy. He's a stand up striker with Muay Thai. Wanderlei has only had 1 true submission with a RNC. The other 3 were basically KO/TKO type of submissions.

IMO, the reason why Chuck had success agaisnt guys like Tito, Couture, and Babalu is because they weren't aggressive strikers and they tried to take him down, and when being unsuccessful on those takedowns, the paid for them, and eventually got KO/TKO.

Rampage and Wanderlei aren't counter strikers, or GNP guys...although Rampage actually has a background in WRESTLING. I'd bet a million dollars that Rampage would score a Submission before Wanderlei would.

Anyways, both guys are aggressive and they come after you....a style that's not a good matchup for Liddell.

That's why I see Wandy by KO/TKO 1ROUND.

 

[The Sponge]

Wandy isn't a ground and pounder, and he's not a JuJitsu guy. He's a stand up striker with Muay Thai. Wanderlei has only had 1 true submission with a RNC. The other 3 were basically KO/TKO type of submissions.

IMO, the reason why Chuck had success agaisnt guys like Tito, Couture, and Babalu is because they weren't aggressive strikers and they tried to take him down, and when being unsuccessful on those takedowns, the paid for them, and eventually got KO/TKO.

Rampage and Wanderlei aren't counter strikers, or GNP guys...although Rampage actually has a background in WRESTLING. I'd bet a million dollars that Rampage would score a Submission before Wanderlei would.

Anyways, both guys are aggressive and they come after you....a style that's not a good matchup for Liddell.

That's why I see Wandy by KO/TKO 1ROUND.

Bucks i just think people are giving Chuck no chance at all. I think he has a punchers chance and if he staggers Wandy its over. would i be surprised at all if Chuck loses? Not one bit but it looks like people think Wandy is just gonna run right thru him. I wonder if someone asked Chuck if he loses were does he goes from here. If he even hints at retirement then he is finished.

 

[weepaul]

My bets for what they are worth (which aint much as I always lose).

IFL- Wagney Fabiano LARGE. I have won a lot of money on Wagney as I don't think the books knew anything about him and he was the underdog in a few fights. Unfortunately,they do now.

Lister- LARGE. Radov looked like shit in his last fight, getting KTFO in about 30 seconds. He will take it to the ground and that is Listers world. Lister by sub from his back.

Machida- LARGE. Machida is great at nullifying his opponents strenghths and grinding out boring decisions. I want to see what happens if Sok does not win in the first round.

Cane- SMALL. Never been high on Irwin and he is coming back from a bad injury.

Clementi- SMALL. Melvin is a little nuts and can be subbed.

DeSouza- SMALL. Very evenly matched but Roan tends to gas. That might be the difference.

Bocek- SMALL. I have seen Bocek in high level sub contests and the guy is a very good wrestler. IF he can take Evans down he will win easily but that is a big IF.

GSP- SMALL. I think he will dominate Hughes again because he is a better wrestler in MMA.
I will never bet heavy on him after seeing him do the Judah dance against Serra.

Liddell- SMALL. I think Siva's punch resistance is gone. I have seen it in boxers many times. Tex Cobb blocked all of Ernie Shavers punches with his face for 7 rounds until Shavers ran out of gas hitting him. Cobb later got pummeled in a round by guys like Dee Collier.
Doug DeWitt took FLUSH shots from Tommy Hearns for 12 rounds and just laughed at him (I have never seen anything like it until Mayorga came along). After that fight his punch resistance just disappeared and he was stopped by a couple of powderpuff punchers.
I love Wand but I think taking punishment from heavy hitters like Cro-Cop and Hunt has taken it's toll. Compare his first fight with Henderson to the second. It was not the same fighter. Maybe he just needed a rest like he is saying but I believe his punch resistance is gone.
He was too brave for his own good.

Take this for what it's worth as I almost ALWAYS lose at MMA.:shrug:

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Bucks i just think people are giving Chuck no chance at all. I think he has a punchers chance and if he staggers Wandy its over. would i be surprised at all if Chuck loses? Not one bit but it looks like people think Wandy is just gonna run right thru him. I wonder if someone asked Chuck if he loses were does he goes from here. If he even hints at retirement then he is finished.

I think the more natural UFC fan does give Chuck a chance. A more natural MMA fan does not.

I'm a more natural MMA fan, however, I do give Chuck a PUNCHERS chance, hell, anyone can be KO'd on any given night.

If he does get Wandy, he better finish him. He's known for his amazingly fast recovery.

 

[gardenweasel]

and kudos to weepaul for posting so many opinions.....

welcome wee....appreciate the input....

my feeling is that chuck struggles vs the more aggressive,upper echelon guys...i remember seeing rampage come after chuck in pride until he wore him down and finally got the stoppage...and alistair overeem had chuck in serious trouble before he did his usual fold.......chuck likes to set his own slow pace and counterpunch....

my question is,after so much time off...and after getting stopped viciously twice in a row,will wanderlei be his same old ferocious,aggressive self?....


whats with the pride guys in their first ufc appearances?....

i actually thought that the shogun we saw vs "ears",although somewhat aggressive,looked like he was in low gear....

seems like alot of these guys have some rough sledding in their first fights away from pride(shogun
,i thought that rampage really struggled early with eastman,diaz k.o.`ing gomi in the states even though that might still have been pride,herring getting beaten by jake o`brien? ,marcus aurelio, nogueira should have been ktfo vs herring and on and on)....

i think the old silva has the perfect style to beat chuck......but,he also used to have an iron chin...

and, we have a gen-u-ine, dubious track record for the pride guys coming into ufc.....

a toughie...

 

[weepaul]

Thanks for the Kudo's Gardenweasel!!

Maybe Wand just needed a rest but I think that too many fights with the big guys has taken it's toll on him.

Chutebox are famous for their gym wars and I think that can be a detriment to longevity.

Ninja did the same thing. He bulks up and gets nearly decapitated by Sergei Kharitonov and then he is never the same again.

I see a pattern with Chutebox. They have gym wars and fight bigger opponents. This is great for their legacy but not so great for their health.

I think the Silva of old is gone now.

 

[gardenweasel]

Thanks for the Kudo's Gardenweasel!!

Maybe Wand just needed a rest but I think that too many fights with the big guys has taken it's toll on him.

Chutebox are famous for their gym wars and I think that can be a detriment to longevity.

Ninja did the same thing. He bulks up and gets nearly decapitated by Sergei Kharitonov and then he is never the same again.

I see a pattern with Chutebox. They have gym wars and fight bigger opponents. This is great for their legacy but not so great for their health.

I think the Silva of old is gone now.

i hear you....great points....i`m gonna wait another day and see where those chuck "plus" odds go......

i`m tickled shit-less that they`re giving us a decent card right in the middle of the holiday doldrums....

i need this....

 

[The Sponge]

well on ESPN Chuck say's if he loses he will just get back in the line. That is what i needed to hear no talk about retirement. I thought Jardine had a good shot against Chuck and he won. Now i think Chuck can pull this off. Just a small plays. Not sure why but this is the only sport i can enjoy without having any money on it. Boxing to. the rest I can't even watch without having money on a game and that is a little painful even with money on them.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

well on ESPN Chuck say's if he loses he will just get back in the line. That is what i needed to hear no talk about retirement. I thought Jardine had a good shot against Chuck and he won. Now i think Chuck can pull this off. Just a small plays. Not sure why but this is the only sport i can enjoy without having any money on it. Boxing to. the rest I can't even watch without having money on a game and that is a little painful even with money on them.

I agree bro. I love MMA and my fix is all taken care of just by watching the fights. I'm so pumped, you don't even know it!! If this fight was in Ohio, I'd pay whatever it took to go see it.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Thanks for the Kudo's Gardenweasel!!

Maybe Wand just needed a rest but I think that too many fights with the big guys has taken it's toll on him.

Chutebox are famous for their gym wars and I think that can be a detriment to longevity.

Ninja did the same thing. He bulks up and gets nearly decapitated by Sergei Kharitonov and then he is never the same again.

I see a pattern with Chutebox. They have gym wars and fight bigger opponents. This is great for their legacy but not so great for their health.

I think the Silva of old is gone now.

I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but Wandy has been gone from Chute Boxe for most of this year. Anderson Silva left awhile back. Thiago Silva just recently left not too long ago. It was announced earlier this week, or last week that both the Rua brothers(Ninja & Shogun) are both gone too.

These fighters are seeing what they need to do to progress and make themselves better fighters.

Honestly, if it weren't for Wandy moving to the USA and starting fresh and going his own path, I probably wouldn't be as confident. It also doesn't hurt that he's my favorite fighter.

If Wanderlei loses, I'm not sure if I can watch another MMA fight until he finally fights again. After Shogun lost, I just got up and left and didn't even watch the Jardine vs Liddell fight.

Other notables that were in Chute and left, and have become better fighters since...Thiago Silva, like mentioned above, with guys like Gabriel Gonzaga, Assuerio Silva, the great Sakuraba went 3-1 in 2005 when he was training partner with Wanderlei Silva, and the most noteable is Anderson Silva.

IMO the only formatable Chute Boxe guy left is Fabricio Werdum who'll actually face his old Chute Boxe foe Gabriel Gonzaga, whom he KO'd in 2003, in a rematch at UFC 80

 

[kickserv]

just some info for MMA madjackers:

1)...........here are the fights that will be on the PPV......of course usually ya get more then 5 fights..but these 5 will be shown for sure:SIB

UFC 79: DECEMBER 29, 2007 IN LAS VEGAS
Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada

-Georges St. Pierre vs. Matt Hughes
-Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva
-Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Lyoto Machida
-Melvin Guillard vs. Rich Clementi
-Eddie Sanchez vs. Soa Palalei


2) As I type this Lyoto Machida still has not arrived in Vegas........something to keep an eye on...I would hope he'd make the weigh in:shrug:




Also..great to see more MMA guys in here.....nice very nice...great stuff :SIB



oh and GSP is a god:142smilie