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I studied the hole descriptions on the golfweb site and I didn't see where Price would suffer from prohobitive carries. The longest distance cited is about 260 yards to the very end of a bunker, but given that the fairways are set at angles to the tee on these holes, to follow this line would mean driving into the rough. Price can easily carry the typical 240-250 yards to reach the fairways on the angled holes with bunker carries, with possibly the most demanding being the 260 yards needed on the 9th to reach the top of the fairway. But there are no bunkers to carry on this hole and he can easily cover this with the amount of roll he gets on his drives. At the MasterCard Colonial, Price's drives averaged 288 yards.

His length is not a concern for me. Accuracy off the tee, good iron play and experience will identify the winner IMO ;)
 

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72 holes will add to this thread as they come,easier to keep track
Singh -125 vs Duval @ 365
Toms -105 vs Garcia @ 365
Lehman -110 over Oly @ Cascade
Dimarco +110 over Cink @ Cascade
Zinger +110 over Love @ Cascade
Tway -110 over Hart @ Cascade
Huston +110 over Faxon @ Cascade
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 

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Nothing original from me this week. I placed a few ante post bets a while back.
Singh 28/1, great US Open record.
Toms 40/1, should have the game for this and is in great form.
Mediate 80/1, he's played well recently and finished 4th last year.

All bet are with Sports.com so I'm not too optimistic about getting paid if one of them do win.
 

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Anyone think that Mickelson has a valid shot to win this one, I know his putting has been off, but he does have the distance, and is it fate that his birthday is on Sunday???
 

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Matchup plays (1 unit unless stated):

Luke Donald to beat Peter O'Malley -110 @ LuvBet
Basically opposing European Tour players who do not have a good record in this event. O'Malley is no exception. He finished 67th in his only other start in this event in 1996. He has missed the cut on both occasions he has played in the PGA Championship and has yet to qualify for the Masters. He may be straight off the tee, but he will struggle this week and a repeat of last week's missed cut looks very likely. Donald looks far more likely to play well in the U.S. having made 11 of 16 cuts on Tour this year and came through qualifying for this event last week with rounds of 69-64 around Woodmont.

Brian Gay to beat Peter O'Malley -111 @ BetandWin [2 units]
Gay is another who should make the cut; he's made 13 of 17 this year. Like Donald, he came through qualifying at Woodmont and is more accurate than long off the tee. Might struggle to match his top-25 finishes of the last two week's, but should beat O'Malley before the weekend.

Craig Perks to beat David Howell -111 @ BetandWin
Howell has only ever played in one tournament in the U.S. and that was a forgettable affair. He shot 76-79 in the 1999 Memorial to miss the cut. Neither is he a particularly straight driver or in any form at the moment. He returned from a 3-month injury layoff to finish 45th at the English Open last week, so is not particularly well-prepared for this event. Expect to see Perks struggle, but Howell struggle even more.

Tom Pernice to beat Thomas Levet -111 @ BetandWin [2 units]
Levet has played in ten PGA Tour events and has made the cut in just one of them - he finished 69th in the Buick Invitational in 1994. Has been struggling on the European Tour in the past month before an improved performance as defending champion at Woburn saw him finish 30th. Just can't see him making the cut this week. Pernice finished 3rd in last week's qualifier at Boone Valley and is far more likely to be playing at the weekend.


Not for me with Mickelson. I think DTB's Golfweb article sums it up nicely when they list his weakness as 'decision-making' :rolleyes:
 

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Quote and question for Bonovox...

Quote and question for Bonovox...

Yesterday saw an interview with Scott McCarron in which he called Bethpage the most difficult course he has ever played.:eek:

Hey Bono since you lived in New York have you ever played Bethpage? If you have your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

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One last bet for me - Mattiace should be well suited, is local and in good form - not really interested in the outright 150/1 but the 80/1 with Tote to finish top 5 without Woods in Top US market is tempting.
 

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This is the week Mickelson finally releases the noose around his neck.

Mickelson for 10 units at 12/1 odds

Garcia for 2 units at 20/1 odds
 

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Just got in from my round and back out to practice...

Stanley, there are some holes with carries that are going to kill Price. Offhand, I know he is going to have trouble with 10, 11, 12 and 13. He may drive 288 at Colonial, but that's not carry yardage. The problem with Bethpage is that very few fairways are straight, they are almost all doglegs. Which means the players are going to be hitting cut drives to land soft and hold fairways, you won't be able to hit it 240 and get 50 yards of roll. Tiger, Mickelson, Duval, Goosen - this is their natural ball flight. Players like Price, Azinger, Leonard who hit at a lower trajectory and get a lot of roll will struggle this week, I believe, because many of their shots will either run through the fairways, or be too far out because they can't carry the ball. But you are definitely the man at picking winners, and 66 isn't a bad number.

I wouldn't touch Mickelson with a 10 foot poll this week. I think he can stick around, but the 75 he fired in the 4th round last year to drop could be exactly what he does this week. He may hit 3 wood and 2 iron all week and play well, but if he falls 2 or 3 down you know you're going to see the big stick. And we all know what happens when he starts to press...

rrc, I did get a chance to play Bethpage when I lived in New York. A partner at my firm was a member at Yale CC and the TPC where they play the GHO - we did all three on a Fri-Sun. I really can't give any insights because we didn't play from the tips because he's a 14 hdcp and the rough wasn't anything near what it is now. We didn't get any sleep and the pace of play, even for a Friday, was so painful it wasn't fun. Plus, I hear the greens are rolling at least 12 and maybe 13, which is insane. I don't care how flat they may seem, 13 is insane. Southern Hills couldn't roll that quickly because of the slope in the greens. Mostly, that round was really tough because we slept in his car. I have done the Torrey Pines thing, but this was insane. Everyone brags about how this is an open played where people can play for $65. After my expereince, I'd rather pay $300 for Pebble and get a good night's sleep. And then the wind blew all day. I'll say right now, if the wind blows hard, Par will win.

But the course is what it is. It really is a muni course tricked up for an open. 8 yard fairways, 2 foot heather, 13 stimped greens. I would much rather see the Open at Oakmont or Winged Foot again. But I digress...
 
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My outright plays for this week:

Phil Mickelson each way 18-1
Jim Furyk each way 50-1
Nick Price each way 60-1
Stewart Cink each way 66-1

Vijah Singh top 5 finish 5-1 @ Qld Tab
 

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Also adding the following plays:

Sergio Garcia to finish 15th or worse -135 @ Carib
Tournament winning score under 275.5 +105 @ Carib
Robert Allenby to win Top Australian +450 @ Centrebet (0.5 unit)
Peter Lonard to win Top Australian +600 @ Centrebet (0.5 unit)
 

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DTB I noticed you played a couple of 1/2 unit bets at Olympic. I play there also but never seem to have too much money in my account there as they have been my "jinx" book for quite a while. Do you or anybody else have any idea what the minimum bet is that they allow you to place over the phone? I know I could ask but don't call that often. That is their one drawback in my mind-that their golf bets and proposition bets all have to be called in. Thanks.
 

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last outright
0.5 ew Campbell at 125/1 Chandler
faster the better, bring on the 'feel' putters..that is why I like Harrington, as long as he gets to the greens that is...
few special market bets
1 ew Mediate top US without Woods 33/1 Tote...33/1 to win in places and well backed ante post here...
1 ew Price top ROW 10/1 Blue Square..I am going with Stanley, although not all the way...
 

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S.S. I do not know what there phone wagers are as I never call. They are tough to beat with sharp linesmaker and 30 cent lines but I have fared well there this year for a change as I usually end up on short side there. I bet $10 on outrights and $50 on matches which has been my standard for years for most part. I think big difference this year is I only bet in 2nd and 3rd rd continuations and have success on place wagers after 2nd and 3rd rds. somehow I look for them to discontinue those at some point as they appear good bang for buck so far.
 

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The Open Rules, in my peculiar world. Money is not what this is about. It's the stuff that dreams are made of.


No. 1: Phil Mickelson(20/1 and 16/1 e.w.)

His recent form in major championships on American soil is hard to fault, Sundays now included. The ONLY player on the planet I rank as wanting "whatever major comes next" as much and more than Tiger.

All major championships are tests of the mind as much as the stroke, with the crucible of the U.S. Open justifiably known for patience and survival. I don't see how Mickelson could have knocked on so many doors recently if this is all lost on him.

The demons of unfulfilled expectations will be roiling about as Phil looks to position himself early on or contend late on Sunday. Desperately wanting success can get in the way of letting things happen, especially early. But more often, when the worthy contenders are put to the test, that desire manifests itself in a resilient and keen ability to seize opportunities and save crucial strokes and timely hole putts because the moment requires it. (Westchester was not the place for all of that.) This week at the Open, appropriate levels of judgment and patience on Phil's part will not surprise me, and the harbringers of his fate I will be watching for are none other than failures in execution.

I don't need to look at stats to know that Mickelson is having a monster year driving the ball and that it will be key to his performance in the major championships this season. Lefty and I both believe that right now he can stand on the tee and gain the advantage over Tiger from driving his ball with the appropriate club to the proper target (and not give up a decided advantage to any specialists in the field), and from there all that the second ranked player in the world seeks becomes possible, maybe even snatching it when Tiger most wants it.

The Open has its share of Saturday night (and even Sunday night) surprises, and more than its share of favorites and streaking players and legends being shown an early exit on Friday. Nonetheless, it remains an examination in golf. In play off the tee and holing out. Preparation meets opportunity. Get it done.


No. 2: Ernie Els(16/1 and 14/1 e.w.)

There was a stretch earlier this year when Ernie's swing and his overall form looked as majestic to me as I can ever recall it being. I look for that solid foundation to find this spot to its liking.


No 3: Tiger Woods(5/2 To Win)

These odds would seem more appropriate for Augusta or Pebble Beach or St. Andrews. Unlike two months ago at Augusta, if the O/U was 1.5 on Tiger going forward from today with wins in this championship over the next four years, I'd pass, or take the under. This wager will be my contribution toward seeing someone bloody his nose for a change, or my insurance if his quest for the Grand Slam lives on.


No. 4: Angel Cabrera(80/1 and 66/1 e.w.)

Counterpunches well. A value pick


Quick capsules for some other contenders much on my mind:

A. Likely to have my backing for a few dollars:
Furyk (high quotient for "wanting it, and getting what he wants" to include among his obvious attributes); Cink (his A game may be on display); Montgomerie (kindly draw on that good karma contained in all the correspondence and e-mails you received).

B. Probably passing, but certainly had a look:
Price (on the Monday before he won at Colonial I circled him as a likely play at Muirfield); Toms (I just don't think this is his week to win); Leonard (might hang around the whole time); and Singh (I keep looking for him to stick it left, again; I remember Opens more for sparking those that have been off in some sort of wilderness, like a Garcia or a Duval or a Love, or a Nicklaus or a Watson or a Payne Stewart, rather than clearing things up for someone that has been hung up on sticking it left, again).


A Favorite Proposition with ties for me to all the lore and dreams of the game:
Leader after the First Round of the U.S. Open (0.20* on each @ 5dimes):
Lehman(66/1); Cink(50/1); Perez(100/1); Montgomerie(40/1); Furyk(33/1); Perry(100/1); and Maruyama(66/1)


Bethpage:
With greens acknowledged as lacking the nasty undulations found at venues such as Oakland Hills, I think it helps rather than hurts the prospects of my four selections, as well as players like Singh, Price, Montgomerie and Lehman. If the weather makes things soft or the winds don't blow, the lack of crowns and swales to protect the pins found at venues such as the latest darling, Pinehurst, could result in the top scores going much lower than expected. I will also be tracking Vijay's interesting observation that players with a laser straight trajectory off the tee will fare better than players that shape their shots. But I expect the players will give the test high marks after the dust or the mud settles on Sunday, and as Hubert Green once said about the USGA, "It's not their first rodeo".

GL

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props to miss cut @ 365
Norman +110
Calc +110
Faxon +150

early 1st rd @ wsex
Kite +170 over Allenby
Allenby last 5 years cut-46-cut scoring ave 74.5
Kite last 5 years 68-43-60-32-5 scoring ave 73.33
I'll bite at these odds!
 

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---and in my tradition of dogging Tiger on par 70 course's I will state for the record Tiger has NEVER won a major in 8 attempts on a Par 70 course.
Best odds I can find is -300 not to win and selling short on WSEX inters returns only$26 for $100 so that is out of question.
Anyone see anything interesting out there?
 

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adding 1st rd score props @ oly all to go over total
Mick -130 70 1/2
Els-130 70 1/2
Cink-130 71 1/2
Singh +105 71 1/2
Garcia -105 71 1/2
Daly -115 74 1/2

Will take 4 out of 6
 
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