video shows the beheading of an american
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Images contained at the base of this report are taken from a video which depicts the murder and beheading of Nick Berg, A U.S. CITIZEN
THIS should only be viewed by a mature audience.
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..............................http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6172.htm
WARNING
WARNING
Images contained at the base of this report are taken from a video which depicts the murder and beheading of Nick Berg, A U.S. CITIZEN
THIS should only be viewed by a mature audience.
WARNING
..............................http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6172.htm
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Well, this has become a real F'in mess.
Don't know the answer. I know that the incidents at Abu Gharaib or whatever did the rest of our troops over there no favors. But I also believe these filthy iraqi bastard dogs didn't need an excuse to act like the worthless human garbage they are either. I also believe that the prisoners held in Gharaib were no boy scouts or they wouldn't have been there because we aren't holding ordinary Iraqi soldiers as POWs.
I just don't feel there is a winning solution here. I have now come to believe these people are uncivilized medieval assholes and we should leave them to live in the 12th century. Though I wouldn't condone it I also wouldn't shed a tear if we bombed them further into the Stone Age than they already are on our way out.
Undoubtedly many Iraqis want to live in peace but they have allowed their society and culture to be polluted with fundamentalist primitive minded religious hatred. It is up to them to EVOLVE! We should leave because as a society they are truly hopeless and beneath contempt.
Don't know the answer. I know that the incidents at Abu Gharaib or whatever did the rest of our troops over there no favors. But I also believe these filthy iraqi bastard dogs didn't need an excuse to act like the worthless human garbage they are either. I also believe that the prisoners held in Gharaib were no boy scouts or they wouldn't have been there because we aren't holding ordinary Iraqi soldiers as POWs.
I just don't feel there is a winning solution here. I have now come to believe these people are uncivilized medieval assholes and we should leave them to live in the 12th century. Though I wouldn't condone it I also wouldn't shed a tear if we bombed them further into the Stone Age than they already are on our way out.
Undoubtedly many Iraqis want to live in peace but they have allowed their society and culture to be polluted with fundamentalist primitive minded religious hatred. It is up to them to EVOLVE! We should leave because as a society they are truly hopeless and beneath contempt.
Kosar, Ill let you know my real thoughts a little later, if you don't mind. I know the reaction most of us have already posted serves no purpose other than to vent against these crapholes. I'll try to explain why I am and have been so pro-war and have thought that Bush's problem is that he's not doing enough, NOT that he's been going overboard like many like to say. From what I've seen personally and heard first hand over the last 10 - 15 years I am convinced that there is only one way to deal with the uprisings of fanatics and self-gratifying terrorists ALL over the world.
Bush Sr. said it many years ago and I thought he was a bit looney at the time when he mentioned the New World Order, but when you see so much bullying and witness injustice and hear of the massacres, you know he was right and that he meant that about certain sectors, growing sectors.
I'm too pissed right now to coordinate mentally.
Bush Sr. said it many years ago and I thought he was a bit looney at the time when he mentioned the New World Order, but when you see so much bullying and witness injustice and hear of the massacres, you know he was right and that he meant that about certain sectors, growing sectors.
I'm too pissed right now to coordinate mentally.
tree huggers can now cry about all of the future terrorists we are creating.
BLOW ME.
they hate us period, end of story.
turn these cities into a glass factory. start assasinating every high ranking official of theirs that isn't hiding in caves. We could learn alot from the Israeli's.
How much attention are frat boy pranks in their prisons going to get compared to these atrocities.
:thefinger
BLOW ME.
they hate us period, end of story.
turn these cities into a glass factory. start assasinating every high ranking official of theirs that isn't hiding in caves. We could learn alot from the Israeli's.
How much attention are frat boy pranks in their prisons going to get compared to these atrocities.
:thefinger
Berg family angry with American government over son's brutal death
Berg family angry with American government over son's brutal death
i haven't seen the outrage from the middle eastern & european newspapers about this american being decapitated.
meanwhile the media outlets from those areas were outraged not only at the administration, but they wanted to know why the american public did nothing about "the torture".
how come they are not foaming at the mouth over this savage murder ?
where is the outrage ?
i will feel better when our gov't stops trying to appease everybody else, & take the gloves off & hunt & kill who they are supposed to kill, even if they hide in a mosque.
there is no negotiating with savages.
By Jason Straziuso
Of The Associated Press
May 11, 2004, 2:34 PM EDT
WEST CHESTER, Pa. | -- The family of an American civilian shown beheaded on an Islamic militant Web site huddled in in tears Tuesday after learning of the existence of the graphic videotape.
The video showed Nick Berg, 26, in a staged execution carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group. The video said the killing was to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.
"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Suzanne," the man said on the video before being killed. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sara. I live in ... Philadelphia."
Berg's family said U.S. State Department officials on Monday had told them Berg was decapitated. The family, though, had wanted that information to remain private.
When told about news of the Web site Nick Berg's father, brother and sister, collapsed to the ground in a tearful hug in their front yard.
"I knew he was decapitated before," said the father, Michael Berg. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."
Michael Berg lashed out at the U.S. military and Bush administration, saying his son might still be alive had he not been detained by U.S. officials in Iraq without being charged and without access to a lawyer.
Nick Berg, a small telecommunications business owner, spoke to his parents on March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30. But Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days.
His father, Michael, said his son wasn't allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer.
FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity. On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.
Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for creating circumstances that led to his son's death. He said if his son hadn't been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave the country before the violence worsened.
"I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."
The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan.
Berg had traveled several times to Third World countries to help spread technology, his family said. He had previously traveled to Kenya and Ghana, where they said he had purchased a $900 brick-making press for a poor village, the family said.
Berg's mother, Suzanne Berg, said her son was in Iraq to help rebuild communication antennas.
"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.
Michael Berg described himself as fervently anti-war, but said his son disagreed with him.
"He was a Bush supporter," Berg said. "He looked at it as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it."
Suzanne Berg said she was told her son's body would be transported to Kuwait and then to Dover, Del. She said the family had been trying for weeks to learn where their son was but that federal officials had not been helpful.
"I went through this with them for weeks," she said. "I basically ended up doing most of the investigating myself."
Copyright ? 2004, The Associated Press
Berg family angry with American government over son's brutal death
i haven't seen the outrage from the middle eastern & european newspapers about this american being decapitated.
meanwhile the media outlets from those areas were outraged not only at the administration, but they wanted to know why the american public did nothing about "the torture".
how come they are not foaming at the mouth over this savage murder ?
where is the outrage ?
i will feel better when our gov't stops trying to appease everybody else, & take the gloves off & hunt & kill who they are supposed to kill, even if they hide in a mosque.
there is no negotiating with savages.
By Jason Straziuso
Of The Associated Press
May 11, 2004, 2:34 PM EDT
WEST CHESTER, Pa. | -- The family of an American civilian shown beheaded on an Islamic militant Web site huddled in in tears Tuesday after learning of the existence of the graphic videotape.
The video showed Nick Berg, 26, in a staged execution carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group. The video said the killing was to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.
"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Suzanne," the man said on the video before being killed. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sara. I live in ... Philadelphia."
Berg's family said U.S. State Department officials on Monday had told them Berg was decapitated. The family, though, had wanted that information to remain private.
When told about news of the Web site Nick Berg's father, brother and sister, collapsed to the ground in a tearful hug in their front yard.
"I knew he was decapitated before," said the father, Michael Berg. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."
Michael Berg lashed out at the U.S. military and Bush administration, saying his son might still be alive had he not been detained by U.S. officials in Iraq without being charged and without access to a lawyer.
Nick Berg, a small telecommunications business owner, spoke to his parents on March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30. But Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days.
His father, Michael, said his son wasn't allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer.
FBI agents visited Berg's parents in West Chester on March 31 and told the family they were trying to confirm their son's identity. On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.
Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for creating circumstances that led to his son's death. He said if his son hadn't been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave the country before the violence worsened.
"I think a lot of people are fed up with the lack of civil rights this thing has caused," he said. "I don't think this administration is committed to democracy."
The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan.
Berg had traveled several times to Third World countries to help spread technology, his family said. He had previously traveled to Kenya and Ghana, where they said he had purchased a $900 brick-making press for a poor village, the family said.
Berg's mother, Suzanne Berg, said her son was in Iraq to help rebuild communication antennas.
"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.
Michael Berg described himself as fervently anti-war, but said his son disagreed with him.
"He was a Bush supporter," Berg said. "He looked at it as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it."
Suzanne Berg said she was told her son's body would be transported to Kuwait and then to Dover, Del. She said the family had been trying for weeks to learn where their son was but that federal officials had not been helpful.
"I went through this with them for weeks," she said. "I basically ended up doing most of the investigating myself."
Copyright ? 2004, The Associated Press
Mr. Bush
I am a combat veteran myself. If you want my vote in Nov. take the ****ing white gloves off.
Words cannot even begin to explain this right now.
I am a combat veteran myself. If you want my vote in Nov. take the ****ing white gloves off.
Words cannot even begin to explain this right now.
I may be wrong here but I think everyone is outraged by this act. Not just the Right Wing or the Neocons. This was an act that needs to be answered. It is not the Liberals who decided how this war would be fought. It is Bush and Rumsfeld. This war has become a quagmire. It has become one because of the way we are fighting it.
God bless us.
God bless us.
We never should have went there. Since we are there I agree it is time to take the Fawking gloves off.
I think it is time for these politicians to get their heads out of their asses. I thought we were right going to war against Saddam and his supposed wmd, but a large number of those people over there are just short of cavemen savages. The 5 cowards that slit the defenseless man's throat and cut off his head will hopefully be hunt down and paid back in a slower crueler way. I watched that video the whole thing and I about vomited while 15 minutes later I am still sick but nothing short of ready to kill someone.
I wonder if all the other countries in the world that said crap about a handful soldiers mistreating prisoners will say one thing when they see that vile video. I also wonder what our President will say. God I gotta go blow steam off.
jc
I wonder if all the other countries in the world that said crap about a handful soldiers mistreating prisoners will say one thing when they see that vile video. I also wonder what our President will say. God I gotta go blow steam off.
jc
TossingSalads said:
Tossing,
I'll ask you same same thing as the others. What does that mean, 'taking the gloves off'?
So far we have ctown saying that we should nuke them. That's the only answer so far. Well, except for nosigars solution to put them all in a trash compactor.
How would you 'take the gloves off'? What does that mean?
these "inhumans"
these "inhumans"
are of the same ilk as the one`s that threw thar old wheelchair-bound man off that cruise ship years ago because of his nationality.....
blowing up a disco in Bali.....why?
sawing an innocent man`s head off while shouting "GOD IS GREAT".......
can you get any sicker?.......more deluded?......can the perversion of religion get any more agregious in the 21st century?.....
these people are not like us......they just aren`t......they haven`t progressed at the same pace as the rest of civilization...you can`t fight a conventional war vs these monsters.....
where are those "let`s negotiate" threads i was reading a week or two ago?l
these "inhumans"
are of the same ilk as the one`s that threw thar old wheelchair-bound man off that cruise ship years ago because of his nationality.....
blowing up a disco in Bali.....why?
sawing an innocent man`s head off while shouting "GOD IS GREAT".......
can you get any sicker?.......more deluded?......can the perversion of religion get any more agregious in the 21st century?.....
these people are not like us......they just aren`t......they haven`t progressed at the same pace as the rest of civilization...you can`t fight a conventional war vs these monsters.....
where are those "let`s negotiate" threads i was reading a week or two ago?l
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I posted it in another thread.
How do we fix this mistake? demand a complete and unconditional surrender from all of Sadir's people. If it does not take place anhilate Fallujah. Alert the Iraqi people that they need to turn over all radicals, and that any uprising will result in an airstrike of the town it took place in. Finish the Job in Afghanistan Go after the Syrians. Round up all Islamic people whose Visas have expired and deport them asap. Announce that all People Who came into the country from arabic nations have 1 year to leave or they will face serious investigations into their backround and reason for being here. Militarily protect all of our nations borders.
How do we fix this mistake? demand a complete and unconditional surrender from all of Sadir's people. If it does not take place anhilate Fallujah. Alert the Iraqi people that they need to turn over all radicals, and that any uprising will result in an airstrike of the town it took place in. Finish the Job in Afghanistan Go after the Syrians. Round up all Islamic people whose Visas have expired and deport them asap. Announce that all People Who came into the country from arabic nations have 1 year to leave or they will face serious investigations into their backround and reason for being here. Militarily protect all of our nations borders.
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I just hope to hell that the mind numbing coverage of the newspapers, networks and cable outlets for the "horrors" that occurred in the Iraqi prison will be repalced by coverage that is equally as virulent for this true horror. Likewise I hope to see the verbosity and "righteous" indignation from our elected officials on BOTH sides of the aisle now directed to a truly worthy event that justifies their sound bites.
Give 7 days to get the fuk out and move all our people out and make a parking lot, and nothing else can be done it has to be all or none, this half ass shit does nothing but dead people from the west, don't give a shit what anyother country thinks if we flatten the country, others will think twice and if the do it another parking lot, and trust me we have the fire power to do it.
tossing?
tossing?
i hope you weren`t being facetious.....but the items you laid out were absolutely on point....i couldn`t have said it better...
i know you hate bush and don`t agree with this war.....and i`ve said many times i had major trepidations about regime change.....and the aftermath.....
but,the terrorism issue is one in which we all have to pull together....
excellent points...i don`t consider your outline outrageous at all.....
now...after this poor man`s execution,it may be time to indeed "take the gloves off"..... ..it may actually save some american lives....
if the rest of the world was outraged at the u.s. prison atrocities,how could civilized people not be outraged at this abomination?
tossing?
i hope you weren`t being facetious.....but the items you laid out were absolutely on point....i couldn`t have said it better...
i know you hate bush and don`t agree with this war.....and i`ve said many times i had major trepidations about regime change.....and the aftermath.....
but,the terrorism issue is one in which we all have to pull together....
excellent points...i don`t consider your outline outrageous at all.....
now...after this poor man`s execution,it may be time to indeed "take the gloves off"..... ..it may actually save some american lives....
if the rest of the world was outraged at the u.s. prison atrocities,how could civilized people not be outraged at this abomination?
TossingSalads said:
Sadr is not even close to our only problem over there. What would flattening Fallujah accomplish in the long run, or even the short run? Seriously. It would show that we 'mean business'? Is that it?
Alert the Iraqi's that they 'need' to turn over 'all radicals'? Come on, man. Do you really think that the threat of airstrikes will inpire the common Iraqi to turn in the radicals? And do you really think that airstrikes will have any effect on this problem to begin with? Just bombing a city into non-existence will accomplish absolutely nothing. We've aleady tried that.
You made a very valid point earlier in this thread about how we don't understand how incredibly fanatical a lot of these people are in regard to their religion and how they don't play by our rules, care about our rules, or care about human decency. What's happened in the last few hours to make you forget that?
And what would lead you to believe that bombing these cities could possibly overcome that?
