WEC 6/1/08: ARCO Arena, Sacramento

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Fight Card:

Urijah Faber VS Jens Pulver (featherweight title)
Miguel Torres VS Yoshiro Maeda (bantamweight title)

Chuck Grigsby VS Mark Munoz
Rob McCullough VS Kenneth Alexander
Richard Crunkilton VS Donald Cerrone
Jeff Curran VS Mike Brown
Chase Beebe VS Will Ribeiro
Alex Serdyukov VS Luis Sapo
Jose Aldo VS Alexandre Nogueira
Charlie Valencia VS Dominick Cruz

Some very good fighters on the card... not familiar w/ all of the guys so thoughts/info would be much appreciated...

...anybody seen much of Maeda?? ive seen some clips, but not much else...Torres is badd to the bone.
 
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Maeda is a very good fighter but I would never bet against Torres. I made a killing on his last fight because nobody seemed to know him, including the oddsmakers. The only fight he ever lost was due to poor cardio and he has never come into a fight with poor conditioning since.
Take this for what it's worth, I have read interviews with Stephan Bonnar and he says that Torres ties him in knots whenever he feels like it. Bonnar is a big boy with skill and he admits to getting owned on the ground by this 135 pounder.

If the fighter being mentioned as Alexandre Nogueira is "Pequeno" Nogueira, then we are in for a treat. This guy was the best in Shooto for years and is a master of the 10 finger Guillotine choke. To give you an idea of how good he is, he beat Rumani Sato in under 40 seconds.
He will give Pulver or Faber a run for their money.
 
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Maeda is a very good fighter but I would never bet against Torres. I made a killing on his last fight because nobody seemed to know him, including the oddsmakers. The only fight he ever lost was due to poor cardio and he has never come into a fight with poor conditioning since.
Take this for what it's worth, I have read interviews with Stephan Bonnar and he says that Torres ties him in knots whenever he feels like it. Bonnar is a big boy with skill and he admits to getting owned on the ground by this 135 pounder.

If the fighter being mentioned as Alexandre Nogueira is "Pequeno" Nogueira, then we are in for a treat. This guy was the best in Shooto for years and is a master of the 10 finger Guillotine choke. To give you an idea of how good he is, he beat Rumani Sato in under 40 seconds.
He will give Pulver or Faber a run for their money.
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I could never bet against Torres either.. hes as talented as they come.. and how about that record?? hes got a lot of fights (33-1 w/ 21 submissions :scared )

i hope the oddsmakers continue to underestimate him....

P.S. it is "Pequeno" that is on the card.. i have never seen him... i can only hope they put it on the broadcast. :SIB
 
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rawli007 said:
I could never bet against Torres either.. hes as talented as they come.. and how about that record?? hes got a lot of fights (33-1 w/ 21 submissions :scared )

i hope the oddsmakers continue to underestimate him....

P.S. it is "Pequeno" that is on the card.. i have never seen him... i can only hope they put it on the broadcast. :SIB
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"Pequeno" is super skilled. I have seen lots of his fights in shooto. I would bet him against Faber but he does have a glass jaw. If he gets hit, he can be KO'd but if he gets his fights to the ground, he runs amok. He is an awesome grappler.

He is one of those guys who could lose or win against ANYBODY at 145 on any given day.

I would wager him against Faber as the oddsmakers probably don't know him and would have Faber a strong favourite. To me it would be a fifty-fifty fight.
 
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I remember watching Pequeno get hit with a great spinning back fist that knocked him out against Hideo Tokoro. He is a top level grappler but has two fights in 3 years so not very active
 
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I'm excited for the Faber Pulver fight. Jens at 145 is a different fighter. I think there will be good odds on him because so many people still think of the bj fight. BJ would do the same damn thing to Faber if they fought. I'm not sure Pulver can win but I can guarantee he will put up a hell of a fight and we will get to see what kind of jaw Faber has. I like both fighters so I'm going to sit back and root for a war.
 
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yep...can't wait for that Pulver fight...be very interesting to see the odds. But I gotta say I like Faber to pull off the upset win because of his punching power. Plus he has fought some of the top guys in MMA, you can't overlook that kind of experiance:SIB
 
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yep...can't wait for that Pulver fight...be very interesting to see the odds. But I gotta say I like Faber to pull off the upset win because of his punching power. Plus he has fought some of the top guys in MMA, you can't overlook that kind of experiance:SIB
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It won't be an upset. I will be very surprised if Pulver is the favourite.

I'll take Faber by sub.

Good luck all.
 
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whoops....it should have read......I like PULVER'S PUNCHING POWER.....hence the upset....Pulver will be the underdog, just don't know how big of a dog:shrug: I like Pulver to pull off the win....should be great fight:scared
 
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I thought there would be lines up by now....but still no lines....be real curious to see what odds on Pulver are:shrug:
 
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I thought there would be lines up by now....but still no lines....be real curious to see what odds on Pulver are:shrug:
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Me too! This is :bs: ... for whatever reason i cant get WEC lines much in advance... if im lucky i'll have em by the middle of this week :shrug:

I wanna check out odds on Crunkilton as well as some others...
 
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.... i thought that Crunk fight woulda been a good one.

Likely will make a big play on Torres unless odds r out of my league... Really like Chase Beebe and i think he comes back strong. Dont know anything about Jeff Curran's opponent, but Curran is not easy to beat... gonna try and find out more on some of these guys' opponents...

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i hear curran`s opponent mike brown is quite good...
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Im afraid ur right... and Mike Brown trains at American Top Team, which, looking at their athletes, may be the best team in the country right now...

these r just some of the names Mike Brown is preparing w/ right now: (almost all of these guys have fights coming up)

Yves Edwards
Micah Miller
Luigi Fiovorante
Rafael Rabella
Mike Brown
Antonio Silva
Marcus Aurelio
Alexandre Noguiera
Thiago Alves
Roan Carnerio
Marcelo Garcia

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/words/gdetail.php?id=74
 
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I'll be looking for the lines to Torres vs. Maeda and Brown vs. Curran.

Maeda has problems when the pressure is on and I expect he'll feel a great deal of it vs. Torres. Torres will win handily I think.

Brown is a better wrestler and Curran from what I've seen is overrated and has been the recipient of gift wins, for example, vs Fabiano and Carvalho. Those are some of his biggest wins. Curran's sub game does concern me somewhat, however.
 
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I'll be looking for the lines to Torres vs. Maeda and Brown vs. Curran.

Maeda has problems when the pressure is on and I expect he'll feel a great deal of it vs. Torres. Torres will win handily I think.

Brown is a better wrestler and Curran from what I've seen is overrated and has been the recipient of gift wins, for example, vs Fabiano and Carvalho. Those are some of his biggest wins. Curran's sub game does concern me somewhat, however.
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I can only hope odds on Torres r at least decent...

What else do u know about Brown ?? I cant find any of his past fights and not even an official record ?? I doubt i'll make a play, but wtf..?? WEC doesnt even have any info on the guy....
 
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