WEC 6/1/08: ARCO Arena, Sacramento

[kickserv]

I am locked in on Pulver......can't believe those odds...holy crap:scared No way the odds stay at this number.......damn:scared


Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.05 *1.5 Joe Rogans

 

[rawli007]

about what i expected w/ Faber in his hometown :scared ... but im w/ ya... the value is definitely in Pulver.

MACHO MAN BALLS JENS PULVER HAS.... TAKING SUCH A HHHUUUGGGEEE FIGHT FOR HIM IN URIJAH'S HOMETOWN. I LOVE THE GUY... HE CRACKS ME UP.

Gonna drop a half unit on Lil' Evil... ok... maybe more... we'll see..

dance1

 

[weepaul]

I can only hope odds on Torres r at least decent...

What else do u know about Brown ?? I cant find any of his past fights and not even an official record ?? I doubt i'll make a play, but wtf..?? WEC doesnt even have any info on the guy....

If I remember correctly, I believe Brown was beaten by Genki Sudo a few years ago in the UFC. Back then, he was being touted as a great wrestler. Genki owned him rather easily but I am sure he has improved since then.

 

[kickserv]

weepaul you are correct.......Genki Sudo beat him by Submission (Triangle/Armbar) way back at UFC 47

as for his record, he is 9-1 in his last ten fights.....not too shabby at all:SIB

ya want more info.....go to his page!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/therealmikebrown

 

[kickserv]

adding more on Pulver....so looks like this now:


Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.05 *1.5 Joe Rogans

Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.20 *1.5 Joe Rogans

I think I am the only one that thinks Pulver has a shot:shrug:

 

[layinwood]

Kick, I'm with you on Pulver. I was shocked when I saw the odds on it.

 

[kickserv]

Well I think we are the only two in North America that are on Pulver:142smilie

I mean odds have actually increased on Pulver since lines came out.....nobody is wagering on him:scared

 

[rawli007]

Well.... i think Urijah is going to be solely concerned w/ the left hand of Pulver... and Urijah doesnt get hit in the face very much.

Pulver has said he wants to use his wrestling, but i dont buy it... Why would u put Urijah in his comfort zone...? A place where Jens is at a clear disadvantage... I know Faber is well-rounded, but he doesnt do much damage standing, and Jens rarely shoots on anyone... why start now? Watching Pulver fight Sakurai just makes me wonder how big his brain is...

Seems like Urijah would be shaking in his boots if he had to stand w/ Pulver... against someone w/ devastating power in ur hometown, i mean c'mon.. Think Faber tries to keep it on the ground as much as possible.

Both will be in tip-top shape... Urijah doesnt tire, and Jens is working w/ a triathlon coach to focus on stamina...

Hard to say how/when/if it will end... If i had to pick an outcome it would be Faber by sub, but if he at any point tries to exchange w/ Pulver there will be a huge clap of thunder as Urijah hits the mat. I think it goes into at least the third round.

I like the line on Pulver... im making a half unit play. If odds continue to improve ill double that.

GLA

 

[ukgaz]

Also think there is value in Jens. He hits hard with that left and has good take down defence.

 

[The Sponge]

Here is my problem with Faber and originally i liked him to win. I just saw a special about him and Jens and he openly said he won't watch films of Pulver. What kind of idiot wouldn't watch films of their opponent? I think i heard Koscheck say the same thing and then GSP destroyed him. Sometimes these guys ego's get in the way of some clear thinking. What would it hurt to watch some film?

 

[rawli007]

Here is my problem with Faber and originally i liked him to win. I just saw a special about him and Jens and he openly said he won't watch films of Pulver. What kind of idiot wouldn't watch films of their opponent? I think i heard Koscheck say the same thing and then GSP destroyed him. Sometimes these guys ego's get in the way of some clear thinking. What would it hurt to watch some film?

Yea, i really dont understand things like this... how could watching film of your future opponent hurt in any way ??? Are u that invincible that u dont need to take all the help u can get...? I really think some of these guys r so hard-headed and have such big egos that they r afraid to show weakness in any way....

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

 

[kickserv]

California fighter Danny Castillo will replace an injured Rich Crunkilton and take on Donald Cerrone, so fight card looks like this now:



Urijah Faber vs. Jens Pulver
Miguel Torres vs. Yoshiro Maeda
Chuck Grigsby vs. Mark Munoz
Kenneth Alexander vs. Rob McCullough
Donald Cerrone vs. Danny Castillo
Mike Brown vs. Jeff Curran
Chase Beebe vs. Will Ribeiro
Tim McKenzie vs. Jeremy Lang
Luis Sapo vs. Alex Serdyukov
Jose Aldo vs. Alexandre Nogueira
Dominick Cruz vs. Charlie Valencia

 

[kickserv]

ummm...this is just getting funny....the odds keep going up up up on Pulver....and I'm like....ok fine..pay me more...so adding another play on Pulver....:142smilie


Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.05 *1.5 Joe Rogans

Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.20 *1.5 Joe Rogans

Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.60 *1.5 Joe Rogans

 

[rawli007]

holy chit !

holy chit !

thanks for the heads-up, kick..... i just checked my book and odds had SKYROCKETED from +215 last night to +275 TODAY !!!!

:scared :scared :scared

thats more like it... oh yea.... added a unit to my micro play... :SIB

Im gonna be jumping outta my seat Sunday night !!! I luv it !!!

:00hour :00hour :00hour

quiet down Sacramento..... ssshhhhhhhh.... let Pulver win :mj07:

Whoa! odds werent where i wanted them to be on Miguel Torres... I guess oddsmakers notice u when u jump into the top ten of the pound-for-pound rankings :mj07:

 

[rawli007]

Some odds...

Some odds...

My books only have Faber/Pulver and Torres/Maeda posted right now, but here are some fight odds from i think BetCRIS.

Jeff Curran -125
Mike Brown -105

Alex Serdyukov EVEN
Luis Sapo -130

Alexandre Nogueira -205
Jose Aldo +165

Charlie Valencia +115
Dominick Cruz -145

Kenneth Alexander +240
Rob McCullough -300

Chuck Grigsby +145
Mark Munoz -175

Chase Beebe -280
Will Ribeiro +220

Jeremy Lang +140
Tim Mckenzie -170

Danny Castillo +230
Donald Cerrone -290

 

[muhr]

I think Pulver has a good shot at keeping it standing and taking Faber out with punches. I'll probably bet on him, but it doesn't appear there is much urgency, the line has remained good for a couple of days.

I thought Brown would have better odds. I think I'll stay away from that one.

 

[rawli007]

After hearing such good things about Alexandre Nogueira in this thread i went and dug up some of his past fights... I was impressed... Then i went on to research his opponent for this WEC event, Jose Aldo, and this kid looks DANGEROUS !!! Aldo has several clips on youtube, and hes got serious thai boxing skill :scared .... i think hes a bjj world champ as well, but most of the clips r of him striking.

If odds r similar in my book im going to make a play on Aldo. He looks a lot like a smaller version of Anderson Silva... he walks down his opponents and has accurate counters.. also solid takedown defense it seems.. He should be able to pick Nogueira apart on the feet, but i should add that his opponents didnt look very quality.... still think odds on Aldo would be different if he werent a relative unknown.

 

[kickserv]

I am going to add a prop bet on the Pulver fight, and also adding a parlay, so looks like this now:


Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.05 *1.5 Joe Rogans

Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.20 *1.5 Joe Rogans

Jens Pulver beat Urijah Faber $3.60 *1.5 Joe Rogans

Faber/Pulver goes distance $6.00 *half Joe Rogan


Parlay
-----------------
Rob McCullough
Chase Beebe

odds = $1.80 *3.5 Joe Rogans



And yes I know....there are only 3 people in North America that are on Pulver, but hey, guess I am on crack:mj07:

Odds on Pulver have made me laugh....I mean nobody is on Pulver, odds just keep going up up up:scared I can tell you one thing, the sportsbooks want Pulver to win, I think everybody and their dog bet on Faber:142smilie


Why nobody (except 3 people) thinks Pulver has a chance is beyond me:shrug:

 

[rawli007]

And yes I know....there are only 3 people in North America that are on Pulver, but hey, guess I am on crack:mj07:

Odds on Pulver have made me laugh....I mean nobody is on Pulver, odds just keep going up up up:scared I can tell you one thing, the sportsbooks want Pulver to win, I think everybody and their dog bet on Faber:142smilie


Why nobody (except 3 people) thinks Pulver has a chance is beyond me:shrug:

This may sound funny, but do i think Urijah will win? YES. Am i happy w/ my small play on Pulver at +275? YES ...

Fights like this r just difficult to foresee.... You've got Urijah; an extremely elusive target who has top-notch ground skill and submission defense (and he's fighting in his hometown) VERSUS Jens Pulver; a strong wrestler who has a lethal left hand.... and neither have a history of poor conditioning...

In my mind Pulver has to bring it like he used to in order to have a chance.. that will to win like he did earlier in his career.. Jens should do what he can to keep it standing and rough Faber up w/ the dirty boxing from the clinch... Faber is just too quick for Jens to concentrate on landing that one clean left hand and Faber has never been submitted so its not realistic for me to think Pulver will be the first to submit him...BUT, Pulver did look hell-bent against Swanson even though we didnt get to see much of him that fight. :SIB

What surprises me is that many of Urijah's opponents choose to go for the takedown when the weakest aspect of Faber's game is the striking. To my knowledge he hasnt shown real power from his feet and his loss was b/c of a punch.. and Charlie Valencia rocked him in their fight... if it gets to the ground Pulver just HAS to go into survival mode and do what he can to not give up his back or stick his neck out there for a guillotine... I heard Faber say on the preview that Pulver "should be fearful of the ground game.." Well he should.... b/c DUH, thats Urijah's biggest weapon and Pulver's biggest weakness... for now i can only hope Pulver is smart enough to know that.

 

[rawli007]

:lol2

Ive got to stop it w/ the "drunk posts".... i remember wandering off several times while writing the above post...

woke up, read it this morning and had to clarify about six things for it to even make partial sense... :shrug:

gonna lay off the alcohol for a while.