When does life start back and what is your breaking point?
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?Massachusetts broke down the data on all who died in their state because of the coronavirus: 97.5% had preexisting health conditions and the average age was 81 years old. This affirms my belief that those who can get back to work need to get back to work.??
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If you have health problems or are older then stay home for as long as you want before you feel safe. I've read the same stats for Italy and other places as well as hospitals listing the death of patients as Covid-19 just because they had it and even though the death was caused by some other ailment.
For all you people screaming we have to stay in until it is over, WHEN THE FUCK IS OVER?? When there are no more cases? When all small businesses have been closed? Just please, answer me that, when do you pull the plug on the stay at home order?
If the casinos opened up next week, i'd be there....I don't frequent Strip casinos so that wouldn't be a problem for me. I'm not scared in the least of this virus...I know people who have died from it. I also know people who have died from drugs, driving, smoking butts, cancer, etc....I still do drugs, drive, etc....Life is about choice. Make the right ones and you may live, make the wrong ones you may die....just let me roll my own fucking dice and I'll let the Big Guy upstairs make the decision when my time is up....
You shouldn't have long to wait!
Your batshit crazy mayor is ready to let er rip!
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That's an entirely fair question, and one worthy of discussion. Unfortunately, too often we don't even get to that debate because a very vocal percentage of the population wants to argue about whether or not it's even real.
I would argue that this is one of the biggest shortcomings of letting individual states decide these things themselves. I think strong federal leadership is desperately needed to say "these are the guidelines: when your infection rate is A, you should take B action. When it falls below X, then you can reopen Y but not Z." And so on. But right now we have each state coming up with their own plans and acting on their own, so we have some states (like GA) ready to re-open tomorrow while other states (like CA) are basically saying they expect to be shut down into the fall. And rather than get an honest debate about the pros and cons of each we just get everybody screaming "libtard" and "deplorable" at each other.
I don't pretend to be an expert on pandemics. But I do believe experts. They say it'll be safe to start re-opening when we have enough testing so we can confirm that the transmission is no longer occurring through community spread. I have no idea exactly how much testing is needed for that, but it's quite a bit more than we have now. And I don't know how you conduct that effectively without the federal government taking charge of it. But, for whatever reason, they don't want to do that.
Somewhat agree because it is like this is everybody's 5 minutes of fame,,Anybody that has ever went to medical school has been on TV if it fits the agenda of that particular station,,our local police chief,,population 5000,,,went on local radio tv and newspaper,,,with 12 people standing behind him,,:facepalm:
Some countries, most notably S.Korea, were able to avoid a hard lockdown (malls and casinos stayed open) due to extensive early testing and enhanced case tracing/isolation. They continue to be mostly open, with their massive testing and monitoring, playing whack-a-mole with each new cluster outbreak of cases and deaths.
Most countries were unable or unwilling to go that route, so a full lockdown they imposed. This was done so the health care system doesn't get stressed and overwhelmed with this first peak of cases, avoiding unnecessary deaths. Also the pause gives us a chance to learn about it.
The tradeoff isn't between lives or the economy/businesses, it's between lives and lives.
Being a communicable disease, easily spread by air droplets, makes it fundamentally different from drug or cancer or smoking deaths - you and your neighbor's decisions can affect your, and everyone else's, health, and maybe death, in a very immediate way.
So has to be community wide effort, with decisions on how to fight it, by all of us together.
Seasonal flu they can reasonably predict and prepare for, but not this new virus, which is way more dangerous than the flu.
Covid-19 is twice as contagious as the flu, and about 40% of the transmission is done by folks showing no symptoms, for over a week.. .whereas with the flu, those folks usually home sick before they are at peak transmissability. .. and a lot less of them need hospitalisation compared to Covid-19.
Lockdowns slow the inevitable spread of a virus of such easy transmission, gives us time to cope and learn about the new thing - what therapeutic strategies to employ, which behavioral strategies like social distancing work, how antibodies and prior exposure might, or might not, work to protect one from re-infection - less deaths and disruptions until we know how to roll back the full lockdown, and wait to see if a vaccine might work..
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Most countries were unable or unwilling to go that route, so a full lockdown they imposed. This was done so the health care system doesn't get stressed and overwhelmed with this first peak of cases, avoiding unnecessary deaths. Also the pause gives us a chance to learn about it.
The tradeoff isn't between lives or the economy/businesses, it's between lives and lives.
Being a communicable disease, easily spread by air droplets, makes it fundamentally different from drug or cancer or smoking deaths - you and your neighbor's decisions can affect your, and everyone else's, health, and maybe death, in a very immediate way.
So has to be community wide effort, with decisions on how to fight it, by all of us together.
Seasonal flu they can reasonably predict and prepare for, but not this new virus, which is way more dangerous than the flu.
Covid-19 is twice as contagious as the flu, and about 40% of the transmission is done by folks showing no symptoms, for over a week.. .whereas with the flu, those folks usually home sick before they are at peak transmissability. .. and a lot less of them need hospitalisation compared to Covid-19.
Lockdowns slow the inevitable spread of a virus of such easy transmission, gives us time to cope and learn about the new thing - what therapeutic strategies to employ, which behavioral strategies like social distancing work, how antibodies and prior exposure might, or might not, work to protect one from re-infection - less deaths and disruptions until we know how to roll back the full lockdown, and wait to see if a vaccine might work..
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US might have peaked, looks like UK has ... But notice the decending slopes are much slower than ascending. ... We still many months away .... The countries highlighted in dark blue locked down early.
Also note that experts agree the number of Covid-19 deaths is undercounted, due to testing problems and medical/regulatory challenges in attribution of cause - thus, the actual Covid-19 deaths is higher than the numbers you see here.... more on dramatic undercounting of Covid-19 deaths .
As for reopening?...Countrywide, will be a while ... Or worse, we could be living the new normal ..
We may never get a decent Covid-19 vaccine ...At any rate, it won't be cheap, or easy, or fast...
Plus, the seriologic antibody tests, necessary for the "immunity passports", have been a disaster so far, not very accurate.
Herd immunity seems very costly and far off, as the populations in countries past peak have only about 4% overall infected rate.
Extensive testing and case tracing is an essential help, but still a long way from that in US. Plus, if lots more countries do this, and India gets hit hard as many expect, the chemical factories there, could be a shortage of reagents necessary for these tests.
So as some lockdown rules get rolled back, it will increase the deaths...Will have to walk a fine line there, which isn't easy, as so much still unknown.
There is a lot of scrambling by researchers to get a handle on it, so we not flying into it too blind.
For example, one post-lockdown strategy is to enlarge your network of family/freinds/co-workers but not expand beyond that , minimizing viral spread and contain easier any outbreaks that may pop up.
Also note that experts agree the number of Covid-19 deaths is undercounted, due to testing problems and medical/regulatory challenges in attribution of cause - thus, the actual Covid-19 deaths is higher than the numbers you see here.... more on dramatic undercounting of Covid-19 deaths .
As for reopening?...Countrywide, will be a while ... Or worse, we could be living the new normal ..
We may never get a decent Covid-19 vaccine ...At any rate, it won't be cheap, or easy, or fast...
Plus, the seriologic antibody tests, necessary for the "immunity passports", have been a disaster so far, not very accurate.
Herd immunity seems very costly and far off, as the populations in countries past peak have only about 4% overall infected rate.
Extensive testing and case tracing is an essential help, but still a long way from that in US. Plus, if lots more countries do this, and India gets hit hard as many expect, the chemical factories there, could be a shortage of reagents necessary for these tests.
So as some lockdown rules get rolled back, it will increase the deaths...Will have to walk a fine line there, which isn't easy, as so much still unknown.
There is a lot of scrambling by researchers to get a handle on it, so we not flying into it too blind.
For example, one post-lockdown strategy is to enlarge your network of family/freinds/co-workers but not expand beyond that , minimizing viral spread and contain easier any outbreaks that may pop up.
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You want a good conspiracy theory?
No one has a clue about the effectiveness of these tests. If we are waiting on them, we're fucked. Answer? The government will "all of the sudden" have an instant test that will determine if you carry antibodies. Miraculously, they will be able to test millions in a short time.
The results are pre-determined, so a high percentage will show you've had it, (even though you haven't) and can get back to work, etc. A small percent will show you dont have immunity, just to keep things "honest".
Everything goes back to normal, and a few weeks later, a catastrophic outbreak sweeps the country. The government won't shut down a second time, and we are all-in, sink or swim.
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I've also read that somewhere they administered tests that were already COVID-19 positive or tainted?
There is so much information out there and you can't possibly read it all. Terryray you make some great points.
I guess I just want to be tested and get on with it. My wife most likely had it in mid December. We sleep in close proximity to each other and she had to have spread it. I have worked in the wastewater industry for over 26 years and believe my immune system has been built up pretty good over that time as I am RARELY sick. Could I be a carrier and a symptomatic? Yes, for sure.
Fuck China is all I have right now....
There is so much information out there and you can't possibly read it all. Terryray you make some great points.
I guess I just want to be tested and get on with it. My wife most likely had it in mid December. We sleep in close proximity to each other and she had to have spread it. I have worked in the wastewater industry for over 26 years and believe my immune system has been built up pretty good over that time as I am RARELY sick. Could I be a carrier and a symptomatic? Yes, for sure.
Fuck China is all I have right now....
They have never been our friend.
I'm more bothered by the fact that our country was far too late to the fight. How many spies do you think we have in China? Especially in a region where there is a lab for apocalyptic virus creation and testing? No one saw what was happening?
Given the numerous Senators who decided to start dumping stock after getting briefed on the virus in early February - I think it's pretty clear that a percentage of our leadership did indeed see what was happening. They just declined to share that information with the rest of us.
But if you're talking earlier than that - yeah who knows. It's the age-old dilemma in espionage - how do you sound the alarm about something without giving away your insider position?
Senator Tom Cotton, a man always suspicious of China, warned back in January about the virus. Top Trump health officials didn't pay much attention, but top military folks did some.
Back to the virus here - Many researchers think Covid-19 antibody treatments will be the best interim therapy to both medicate patients, and give to healthy folks to build up immunity, until vaccine arrives.
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Back to the virus here - Many researchers think Covid-19 antibody treatments will be the best interim therapy to both medicate patients, and give to healthy folks to build up immunity, until vaccine arrives.
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Going to be like summer here next few days. I'm sure the beaches will be packed although the parking lots right next to them are closed. I'll just go for a walk by the marina, much more low key. Going for a kayak ride sounds appealing to me right now.
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Thats awesome Hawk,,Great to hear,,AND,,,You need to share with me how you come up with your numbers on totals when you retire!!!
