WORLD CUP thread

[InSpades]

Selection 1: World Cup Soccer USA 17-June-2006 11:59 AM PST Spread pk for Game +552 Risking 600.00 to Win 3,312.00 USD
will post more info later on this.

Moe,

Let me first say that I respect your opinion. I also rarealy if ever go into other peoples threads and make negative comments about other's selections.

But what on earth makes you believe the USA has any chance of winning this game? I personally lover the over 2. I also like Italy team total over 1.5. What are your thoughts on the total? I think the US will go all out and leave themselves vulnerable in the back to Italy's great transition game.

Having said that, I do believe there is value on the USA winning. The line should probably be abot +400. But, there is no value in a losing wager.


2-1 final is perfect for me.

IS

 

[moe777]

Moe,

Let me first say that I respect your opinion. I also rarealy if ever go into other peoples threads and make negative comments about other's selections.

But what on earth makes you believe the USA has any chance of winning this game? I personally lover the over 2. I also like Italy team total over 1.5. What are your thoughts on the total? I think the US will go all out and leave themselves vulnerable in the back to Italy's great transition game.

Having said that, I do believe there is value on the USA winning. The line should probably be abot +400. But, there is no value in a losing wager.


2-1 final is perfect for me.

IS

.....#1 reason ,and your right about is VALUE..my biggest play of the tourny so far was the czeck republic against the usa and it won pretty easily,i mentioned in that thread how a decisive czhek win would drive the line in the usa game way up and i would be waiting to hammer this game.shouldve took it yesterday at pk +650 but waited to long.so this wager is premeditated.im not going to let 1 bad game against a great team ruin the way ive seen a team perform the last 4 years.
......#2..1 of my most used angles in handicapping is WHO WILL SHOW UP 110%.. a 110% fast ,and most likley hungry usa team on the brink of elimination will have a good chance of beating a conservitve italian team not playing against the prospect of elimanation and playing a team that they think will be a cakewalk...the usa has earned lots of respect for what theyve done starting from the last wcup,and to most people around the globe its officially a fluke b/c of 1 game vs the czecks.
......#3.In my opinion this isnt your traditional azurri (italian team).they were in the weakest qualifying group in europe,i dont think theyve been tested as a team yet.no real leader on this team either.totti hurting..luca toni has no international experince and their relying on him to score??thats why theyve been tinkering with a 3foward lineup b/c they dont think they can score with their traditional system with these players.THEY will settle for a tie and GET BURNED.
......#4 history..Its not that far fetched to think the italins could lose this game..group stage stats for the italians when they had some very strong teams...94 final team 1 WIN in group play...02 wcup 1 win in group play..04 eurocup 1 win in group play..and still made it out of rr group play in all 3 of these tournys.
......#5..IN BRUCE ARENA I TRUST..just look what hes done with this progarm after he took over a pathetic team that finished last in the 98 cup.this guy is very underrated in the world soccer community,even though hes been the head coach of this team longer than the other 31 coaches in this tourny have been with theirs...THIS guy will devise a gameplan to WIN this game,i just hope these players believe they can do it.

lots of doubters in my area and theyve made me up my wager..i am putting my money where my mouth is on this won.i really do belive this is a 50/50 shot,at odds of +550 i will take my chances...gl.

 

[moe777]

btw..with the lineup changes that i believe the usa will make in this game,is the lineup i have most faith in...dbeasly one of the most overrated usa players ,he cant hack it internationaly..eddie johnson will be a force in the future,i just hope he grows u fast here..obrien over masteroni and put donavan on a wing to use his speed and set up some crosses..this is whats missing from their game right now,the ability to cross the ball and beat defenders down the wings.they play and win this way often but with hejduk out and beasly not being able to do this i believe donvan will have to except this role and i think he can do it and setup mcbride a few times...i do think the defence had some jitters the 1st game also ,gooch is solid but has never played in this type of atmosphere ,he got a game under his belt it should hepl the def.

 

[moe777]

fri

fri

serbia +1/2 +160 100 to win 160

drogba (ivory coast)to score +240 50 to win 120

 

[InSpades]

Good writeup. But Italy looked as impressive as anyone in their first game. They looked like a fine tuned machine. Granted it wasn't against a superpower.

The USA looked as bad as any team in their first game. As you well know, form is important and the USA was a disaster.

Can I get your opinion on on my over wagers for the game and Italy team total over? I am hoping for a 3-2 USA win. We both would win our wagers.

IS

 

[moe777]

i dont like playing o/u to much,but taking an over in a italy game is always risky..but your right yhe usa should be playing all out and be vulnrable to counter attacks.the 2 and not the 2.5 is verynice ,i would think push at the worst so yes i would take it foe a small to med sum.

 

[maverick2112]

Selection 1: World Cup Soccer USA 17-June-2006 11:59 AM PST Spread pk for Game +552 Risking 600.00 to Win 3,312.00 USD
will post more info later on this.

Moe......just played this at Jazz Sportsbook......
Jun 16, 2006 12:21 AM (12:35:04 PM) Writer:INETUSER Confirmation #:060616002136-3 STRAIGHT 720/5616
433. USA ML +780

Must need some USA $$$ for such a good line?

 

[vyrus858]

Moe, i have been keeping an eye on your write-ups and picks and I would like to start off by saying that you are a brilliant soccer capper...I have not bet in 3 weeks as I am not a big baseball/hoops fan (when it comes to betting, to much inconsistency in the long seasons) ....i do love soccer and have just been watching the first few games, until yest when I deposited a pretty good amount and bet half on Mexico ML (killed me), and the other half on the USA ML +650, in large part because of your pick...I absolutley love your pick and think this will be the biggest upset so far in the WC...lets nail it

 

[moe777]

thxs vyrus,,and gl to us
i did take the pk,draw and i push.
was going to take the ml but it went down,and now i see the better value in the pk +550..but dont think you have to worry about the usa playing for a draw though,they will push.

 

[el JB]

you should see a well defended game on both sides of the field and hardly 3 goals ... so the UNDER should be considered... also my best bet would be in the order of a HANDICAP of one goal as i see it won't be a mismatch and the difference will be minimal... the Italians use the Cattenaccio (safelock) system since ages and won't quit it...and the payment for this wager is very good also

 

[moe777]

im also banking on the fact the bruce arena will have them beliving in the gameplan and THINKING THEY CAN DO IT.if not this will be over before u know it..but im thinking thell come out like the poles did in germany the 2nd game.and not the way the serbs did.

 

[vyrus858]

i was wondering about that..so when a book offers a "PK' AND a "ML"...the ML i know means the team has to win, draw u lose...but the "PK' means if they push u get ure money back correct?? what book offers this? I know Pinnacle does but i dont like how u have to deposit $1000 to get ure fees covered on WU, what other book has it bro?

 

[vyrus858]

damn I was just gonna say how impressive the US attack looks and boom I here "Red Card for the US" in the backround...damnit, that 1 man advantage sure did look good...however Im seeing alot more offense from the US than Itally, I hope they dont burn out

 

[vyrus858]

thansk Ref, you just game to the italians...f'ing bastard ref, piece of garbage

 

[InSpades]

Almost had it Moe.

IS

 

[moe777]

shouldve wouldve couldve..if this game was played 11 on 11 their is no doubt in my mind the usa wouldve won.when u bet on the usa you always have to take in consideration that you WILL NOT GET THE CALLS...this is the 1st time ive ever been dissapointed with arena desisions during a game.he did have them prepared and like i said toni and toti would not be factors,but to leave mcbride in there for the whole 90 mins was very stupid.beasly coming in was a good move with all that space on the field(due to 3 red cards) and not bringing in eddie johnson for mcbride was just stupid,mcbride was done after 70,eddies speed and 1 on 1 abilty wouldve been huge...And to leave the most OVERRATED player on the team in REYNA in that game was also stupid.john obrien shoulldve came in for reyna in the 2nd hf..reyna was also responsible for the goal ,that was his man that scored.as i mentioned in the czeck /usa game thread THIS GUY IS DONE..with all bad non moves by arena ,,playing with 2 men out and going into a shell in the last 15 mins they still managed a tie...if i didnt have $$ on this game i wouldve hoped usa got burned in the end for going into a shell..donavan on the 18 doesnt shoot ,passes to beasley and he doesnt shoot,instead passes it back to the midfield..ARE U FKN SERIOUS..donavan is a much better player than this ,his play in this tourny so far ,i just dont get it.

 

[InSpades]

Donovan isn't playing well at all. I happen to belive Reyna is overrated as well.

No doubt, the US played better today. Playing the handicap on the US would have been a brilliant play.

IS

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

"if this game was played 11 on 11 their is no doubt in my mind the usa wouldve won."

strong statement there........
surprised to see it come from you

 

[hm23]

Arena did have some questionable game tactics. Def. should've used his last sub.

Italy didn't look impressive at all, a healthier Czeck team has a great chance against them.

 

[moe777]

"if this game was played 11 on 11 their is no doubt in my mind the usa wouldve won."

strong statement there........
surprised to see it come from you

thought it before the game (reason i wagerd it)and def think it now..besides that setpeice goal (fuk reyna)by the italians they were dominated early on 11 on 11..if the italians showed you that they are a good team please tell me how??not counting the last 10 mins when the usa settled on the tie and refused to attack...would the usa win against the italians more than 40% of the time probably not,but in this situation today the usa wouldve won this game 9 out of 10 times easily..everybody was wrong about the usa,they based their opinions all on the czeck game..they were +$850 by game time ,dominated possesion 11 on 11 and 11 on 10 and 10 on 10 but that last red card was the last straw it breaks you and the MIGHTY ITALY still couldnt put the +850 side away.....not to mention thier so called general (reyna) was 1 of the worst players on the field and the coach had made(not made )some questinable moves..and still 1-1