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Wow, that's one of the quickest swings I've seen in an MMA line when it first comes out.

From -280 +200 to -140 pickem in less than a day. Someone has a GREAT middle oppty.

Coach, you're right about nothing to gain but a lot to lose for Mir but it still doesn't change the fact that it's a very bad style matchup for him. The main reason is because Mirko has an excellant sprawl and doesn't go down very easily. Mir doesn't have the greatest takedowns in the business so this fight has a great chance of being a standup fight. Mir's standup is not what Mirkos is, even with Mirkos decline.
 
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Wow, look at the movement on the Mir fight.

It's now at -260 +180. That's some big time swings. +200 and I'm hammering Mirko!
 
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Not sure why you like Mirko so much??:shrug:

The guy throws little to no kicks anymore since the knee injury and he is not training hard.
If crappy Pat Barry wasn't busy trying to get Cro Cop's autograph during the fight and broke all his bones hitting and kicking Mirko then he would have finished him.

Everyone keeps saying this is a bad matchup for Mir because they don't think he can takedown Mirko. So what if he can't. He worked over Nog and knocked him out and he can punch Mirko to the ground. Hell Pat Barry did. The differnce is Mir will pounce on him unlike Barry who helped him up.

I think this is going to be very one sided. Mirko is shot and I missed the Mir -140 odds but will keep my eye out because that is a gift.
 
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Exactly...Can all the Mirko backers please put your money in on him as soon as possible so that once posted at my book the line is nice and juicy for Mir? I will take Mir anything -180 or worse. Financially this is like betting against Kimbo, nothing against the guy, you just knew his cardio and ground skills could not hold up so it was an easy play. Mirko is done, looking for this nice hefty paycheck and will get sub'd in rd 1! Read all the comments about his training, he just doesnt care anymore, he is "Jens Pulver," "Shamrock," whoever you want to say. You can not win a fight without throwing a punch or kick and he is just not willing to open himself up anymore
 
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If anyone thinks Mirko has anything left then go back and watch the Al-Turk fight or watch the 1st round of the Pat Barry fight.
Like Coach K said, he just doesn't throw and saying he is not going to train hard makes it even worse.

And to say Mirko has a chance because you think Mir will not be able to takedown Mirko then consider Mirko is going to weigh in around 230 like always and Mir will be close to if not 265.
 
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You may think he's Shamrock or Pulver but if you've bet against him lately you've lost more than you've won. It's not like he's losing to bad guys. Yeah he lost to Kongo but it went to decision and I'm pretty sure Kongo's standup is better than Mirs. You have to give Mirko credit, he doesn't get taken down very often. If Mir was a great wrestler and I knew his taked owns were good then I would worry but his take downs aren't great. This will be the weakest striking Mirko has faced in a long time. It should allow him to let go of his striking without the worry of big bombs and kicks coming back his way. This isn't Mir fighting Kongo or Hardonk, Mirko actually is good stopping guys from taking him to the ground, there's a big difference.

Like I said before, this is strictly based on odds. I will probably lose this bet but over time plays like this put me on the + side more than the - side.

Keg, I agree Mir did work Nog over standing up. Nog isn't exactly known for his standup. Yeah Barry knocked Mirko to the ground, he's also a world class striker. You can't compare one fight to another if fighters don't have equivalent skills. Mir has beaten great strikers that are easy to take to the ground, there's nothing in any of Mirko's fights that show me he's easy to take down.
 
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Well what is Al-Turk because he had Mirko beat because Mirko wasn't even trying to fight.
Then Mirko pokes him in the eye and the ref misses it and Mirko escapes with a win.

The only reason he beat Barry was because of injuries and admiration on Barry.
Mirko record may read 3-1 in his last 4 fights but I see it as 1-3 if you watched those fights.

I used to love Mirko but he is not into it anymore and he doesn't throw. Mir will stand and trade with a guy all day who doesn't throw back.
 
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My BIG question to you is how does Cro Cop win???

He doesn't throw enough to win rounds anymore.
We know he is not submitting Mir.
And his last quality fighter legit KO was in 2006.
 
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Keg - you and I are definitely on the same page for this one.
And Lay, I personally am not trying to convince you to bet on Mir but rather to convince you not to bet on Mirko, so either Mir or no bet. Just my opinion and I really hope the line jumps back to -150
 
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kegray1 said:
Well what is Al-Turk because he had Mirko beat because Mirko wasn't even trying to fight.
Then Mirko pokes him in the eye and the ref misses it and Mirko escapes with a win.

The only reason he beat Barry was because of injuries and admiration on Barry.
Mirko record may read 3-1 in his last 4 fights but I see it as 1-3 if you watched those fights.

I used to love Mirko but he is not into it anymore and he doesn't throw. Mir will stand and trade with a guy all day who doesn't throw back.
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Kevin, you're kidding me about the Al Turk fight aren't you? Maybe I watched a different fight but so I just watched it again because I thought I might be going crazy. Mirko was NEVER in any danger in that fight and with or without the eye poke was beating Al Turk. Actually, I thought Mirko looked pretty damn good in that fight. He showed the take down skills I was talking about and his striking looked good. Before the eye poke he had knocked Al Turk to the ground and at that point the fight was pretty much over. If I'm wrong then please tell at what point in the fight was Mirko not fighting. All I saw was Mirko being his normal methodical self until he saw a pattern that he liked.
 
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Al-Turk was jabbing and kicking Cro Cop with ease as Mirko waited and waited.
If he waits against Mir he will be in trouble.
Mir is 10X the fighter Al-Turk is. Al-Turk was showing signs of fatigue already once Cro Cop opened up on him.

I ask again how you think Mirko will win by??
He can't ko or submit anyone these days and he is not going to outwork Mir.
 
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I'm not saying Al Turk is close to Mir, I talked about it because you said Al Turk had him beat. He never at any moment had Mirko beat.

How will Mirko win? He'll win by keeping the fight standing and out striking Mir! That's the only way he wins but there's a chance it happens. We're talking about someone that is close to a 2 to 1 dog. That's pretty sizeable. Do you think Mir can out strike Mirko?
 
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layinwood said:
Do you think Mir can out strike Mirko?
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Easily if Mirko doesn't train for it.
Cro Cop doesn't let his fists go anymore and he throws about 2 kicks a fight these days.
I have seen much better dogs at 2-1 than Cro Cop.
 
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I could be wrong but I think he said he wasn't going to be 100%, not that he wasn't going to train. No MMA fighter would be 100% for a fight they took on this short of notice. Even with him training for 5 weeks his striking will be hands down better than Mirs. Mir looked good striking against Nog, don't let that fool you into thinking he can out strike someone with Mirkos standup ability.
 
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I've busted both my ankles, on seperate occasions. It hurts like hell. Be thankfull you didn't have to go the surgery/metal insertion route.
 
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I had to do that "insertion" in other parts of the body, but you are correct could have been worse. Not too happy that I will be on crutches/cast for maybe 6 weeks, but yes I guess it could have been worse. Hurts like a motherfucker though I can tell ya that.

But at least I made "MMA news" what an honour:tongue
 
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