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Marali loses in South Africa


Marali loses IBO belt in upset

Ji Hoon Kim of South Korea won the IBO junior lightweight belt when he came from behind to stop South Africa?s Zolani Marali in the tenth round at Emperors Palace near Kempton Park Saturday night.
 

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Yep
fightnews changed it again
first a tech draw
then a Valdez victory
now, officially a tech draw for Montiel
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I have Montiel in a parlay and the book is grading it as a loss! The guy on the phone is trying to tell me that a draw is a loss???? I hate it when they pull this sht. I'm basically at their mercy. That part of the parlay should show NO ACTION. Fck this is frustrating. Unless they grade it correctly, I'm fcked.
 

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Marali loses in South Africa


Marali loses IBO belt in upset

Ji Hoon Kim of South Korea won the IBO junior lightweight belt when he came from behind to stop South Africa?s Zolani Marali in the tenth round at Emperors Palace near Kempton Park Saturday night.

Damn, I never saw a line on it and I liked Hoon in that one. He's raw but he can hit and he's improving. Remember he took out Koba in a round awhile back?
 

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What is wrong with Matt Godfey. He's looking worse every time out. I thought that Indian troubled him a fortnight ago.

Just my 2 cents: I thought Vargas deserved a win. Curious on others opinions.

This Montiel shenanigans is ridiculous. Make the right call and then stop!

Mijares drops another one. 2 Mexican fighters lose at home.

James Toney gets first KO in half a decade. I'm actually surprised even though Greer is pedestrian.

Chavez Jr. Looked good in blasting out Houllier. Perhaps he is more dedicated than before.
 

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Nietes wins a controversial decision in Mexico!?

Honestly, I dont get it.

This fight took place in Mexico, when I bet on the figher from away he usually loses a close fight and now I bet on the homefighter and the same thing happens. : /

As for Mayol, punchy is absolutely right, there cant be soo much coincidence. The last 3 fights of Calderon have all been technical decisons and they all happened at a fortunate time for Calderon (who I believe doesnt have the legs anymore to run from guys like Mayol or Cazares for 12 full rounds). Its funny btw, how he got a headbutt from Cazares who towers signifacantly ove him...
 

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Vargas - Nietes decision

Vargas - Nietes decision

What is wrong with Matt Godfey. He's looking worse every time out. I thought that Indian troubled him a fortnight ago.

Just my 2 cents: I thought Vargas deserved a win. Curious on others opinions.

This Montiel shenanigans is ridiculous. Make the right call and then stop!

Mijares drops another one. 2 Mexican fighters lose at home.

James Toney gets first KO in half a decade. I'm actually surprised even though Greer is pedestrian.

Chavez Jr. Looked good in blasting out Houllier. Perhaps he is more dedicated than before.

I had it 115-113 in favour of Vargas. However, it was, I thought, a highly misleading commentary by Raul Marquez and that Massengale fellow (who obviously isn't a true fight guy). It was as if they took the ball and ran with it when Vargas started to come on a bit. They ignored the fact that Nietes was landing a lot of sharp, clear shots, the sort of punches that impress the judges. To say that Vargas won by 117-111 as Raul Marquez did was ludicrous, but the score of that Florida judge Tom Nardone, 118-110 in favour of Nietes, was even worse. This was Nardone's first big fight, I believe, and it was almost as if he was determined to show that he wouldn't be swayed by the Mexican crowd in the way he scored the fight.

As I saw it, this was a tough, close fight that could have been a draw or could have been a close decision in favour of either man. I will say, though, that Nietes had the body language of a winner at the final bell, much more so than Vargas.

Talking of misleading commentaries (and a commentary team going with one guy almost from the off) I thought that McDermott and Fury was a very close fight (I actually thought it was a draw). I have a high opinion of Jim Watt, the Sky analyst, but he just seemed to be going overboard on McDermott's successes. There is now a big fuss over the verdict in the U.K., another TV-fuelled "controversy" in my opinion. For heaven's sake, Watt's final score was only 96-94 in favour of McDermott ---- one round away from a draw. Where is the "robbery"? The REAL controversy was the ref's bizarre 98-92 score in Fury's favour. It was as if he filled out his card beforehand. The SCORE, and not the decision itself, is what should be a cause for concern here, IMO.

I tell you, though, Kramden, whenever a fight goes to a decision you ALWAYS have to hold your breath, and as we both know, too often you can't trust the commentary to give an accurate interpretation of what's happening in the fight.
 

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Perez defeats Williams


In a battle of unbeaten fighters, super lightweight Eloy Perez (14-0-2, 3 KOs) won a hard-fought 10 round unanimous decision over Dannie Williams (12-1, 9 KOs) at the Playboy Mansion in Holmby Hills, CA. Both fighters were dropped once in the second round and Perez went down again in the third. However, Perez landed the more telling punches during the rest of the bout. All three judges scored the bout 98-91, 97-92, and 95-94.
 

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Damn, I never saw a line on it and I liked Hoon in that one. He's raw but he can hit and he's improving. Remember he took out Koba in a round awhile back?

Now that you mention it, I do remember the Korean taking out Gogo...damn Kramden, sorry you didn't get a line on this one
your pick was on the money
 

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I have Montiel in a parlay and the book is grading it as a loss! The guy on the phone is trying to tell me that a draw is a loss???? I hate it when they pull this sht. I'm basically at their mercy. That part of the parlay should show NO ACTION. Fck this is frustrating. Unless they grade it correctly, I'm fcked.

Complete bullshit.....NOT A LOSS....parlay should continue minus the Montiel fight

I hope they get it straight for you bro....
 

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British-rules book?

British-rules book?

Complete bullshit.....NOT A LOSS....parlay should continue minus the Montiel fight

I hope they get it straight for you bro....

If your book follows Las Vegas rules you will be fine; a draw is "push" of course ... no action. However, if the book follows British grading rules (William Hill, Bwin etc) then a draw is graded as a loss unless the player has specifically bet on the draw.
 

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If your book follows Las Vegas rules you will be fine; a draw is "push" of course ... no action. However, if the book follows British grading rules (William Hill, Bwin etc) then a draw is graded as a loss unless the player has specifically bet on the draw.


It is Las Vegas rules but these guys are VERY slow to change the grading. It's not looking good as they still have not changed it. Sometimes these line managers are very reluctant to change the grading and apparently I'm dealing with one of them now. It's very cut and dry but apparently this guy can't see the logic.

They just said to call back in 24 hrs :mj16:

I realize I lucked out on the tech draw. By all accounts Montiel should have been tkod. The cut was caused from a jab and not a butt. It SHOULD have been ruled a tko win for Valdez but since they ruled it a tech draw then the book has to honor that dec. I think the issue is that 2 sites reported it as a loss for montiel and they hastily graded it as such.
 
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Now that you mention it, I do remember the Korean taking out Gogo...damn Kramden, sorry you didn't get a line on this one
your pick was on the money

Ghost, did you ever see a line on the fight?
 

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I had it 115-113 in favour of Vargas. However, it was, I thought, a highly misleading commentary by Raul Marquez and that Massengale fellow (who obviously isn't a true fight guy). It was as if they took the ball and ran with it when Vargas started to come on a bit. They ignored the fact that Nietes was landing a lot of sharp, clear shots, the sort of punches that impress the judges. To say that Vargas won by 117-111 as Raul Marquez did was ludicrous, but the score of that Florida judge Tom Nardone, 118-110 in favour of Nietes, was even worse. This was Nardone's first big fight, I believe, and it was almost as if he was determined to show that he wouldn't be swayed by the Mexican crowd in the way he scored the fight.

As I saw it, this was a tough, close fight that could have been a draw or could have been a close decision in favour of either man. I will say, though, that Nietes had the body language of a winner at the final bell, much more so than Vargas.

Talking of misleading commentaries (and a commentary team going with one guy almost from the off) I thought that McDermott and Fury was a very close fight (I actually thought it was a draw). I have a high opinion of Jim Watt, the Sky analyst, but he just seemed to be going overboard on McDermott's successes. There is now a big fuss over the verdict in the U.K., another TV-fuelled "controversy" in my opinion. For heaven's sake, Watt's final score was only 96-94 in favour of McDermott ---- one round away from a draw. Where is the "robbery"? The REAL controversy was the ref's bizarre 98-92 score in Fury's favour. It was as if he filled out his card beforehand. The SCORE, and not the decision itself, is what should be a cause for concern here, IMO.

I tell you, though, Kramden, whenever a fight goes to a decision you ALWAYS have to hold your breath, and as we both know, too often you can't trust the commentary to give an accurate interpretation of what's happening in the fight.


Thanks Graham, appreciate the feedback. I thought Vargas' body language looked OK until about 10 minutes elapsed before they put an announcer in the ring to read the scores.

:0corn

I watched a fairly weak internet feed but it seemed Vargas closed pretty well although Nietes was sharp in spots. Your card is certainly very reasonable unlike the shmoes that were on the job last night.

Good points about commentators. They can be as biased as judges. I didn't see the fight but from the forums I've seen Colonial Bob Sheridan was giving every round to Calderon. Sheridan knows who butters his bread and I find him to be king of the shills. What was your take on that (Mayol v Calderon) fight?
 
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Thanks Graham, appreciate the feedback. I thought Vargas' body language looked OK until about 10 minutes elapsed before they put an announcer in the ring to read the scores.

:0corn

I watched a fairly week internet feed but it seemed Vargas closed pretty well although Nietes was sharp in spots. Your card is certainly very reasonable unlike the shmoes that were on the job last night.

Good points about commentators. They can be as biased as judges. I didn't see the fight but from the forums I've seen Colonial Bob Sheridan was giving every round to Calderon. Sheridan knows who butters his bread and I find him to be king of the shills. What was your take on that (Mayol v Calderon) fight?

You hit the nail on the head with that call. The guy is the most annoying and most biased announcer in the business. I despise him.
 

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You hit the nail on the head with that call. The guy is the most annoying and most biased announcer in the business. I despise him.

Right on Romi! I hate to use the word but I hate Colonial Bob Sheridan. They should retire his fat ass and his yellow tinted shooting glasses.
 

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Ghost, did you ever see a line on the fight?

I never saw a line on the Marali fight or another fight I wanted to play - Perez vs. Williams at the Playboy Mansion.

I wanted to back Perez - and he won.

Oh well.
 

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I never saw a line on the Marali fight or another fight I wanted to play - Perez vs. Williams at the Playboy Mansion.

I wanted to back Perez - and he won.

Oh well.

That's too bad. These mid level fights should have lines.

:jerkit: :jerkit:
 

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Calderon-Mayol

Calderon-Mayol

Thanks Graham, appreciate the feedback. I thought Vargas' body language looked OK until about 10 minutes elapsed before they put an announcer in the ring to read the scores.

:0corn

I watched a fairly week internet feed but it seemed Vargas closed pretty well although Nietes was sharp in spots. Your card is certainly very reasonable unlike the shmoes that were on the job last night.

Good points about commentators. They can be as biased as judges. I didn't see the fight but from the forums I've seen Colonial Bob Sheridan was giving every round to Calderon. Sheridan knows who butters his bread and I find him to be king of the shills. What was your take on that (Mayol v Calderon) fight?

I had it one point in favour of Calderon, four rounds to three, but with Mayol coming on strongly in the seventh, which was clearly his best round of the fight. The commentary by Sheridan and his sidekick Benny Ricardo was slanted in favour of Calderon (very much so in Ricardo's case; the Colonel wasn't quite as bad) but unfortunately the wide scores of two of the judges in Calderon's favour tended to back up the Colonel's take on the fight.
 

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I had it one point in favour of Calderon, four rounds to three, but with Mayol coming on strongly in the seventh, which was clearly his best round of the fight. The commentary by Sheridan and his sidekick Benny Ricardo was slanted in favour of Calderon (very much so in Ricardo's case; the Colonel wasn't quite as bad) but unfortunately the wide scores of two of the judges in Calderon's favour tended to back up the Colonel's take on the fight.

These head butt fights with Calderon are ridiculous. If the fight went another 5 rounds Mayol, it seems, would have been in the very thick of it - at the very least.

:violin: :violin:

Oh yeah, I forgot about Bennie. He's horrendous, too.
 
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