British Open
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Adding 72 holes
Faldo +105 over Daly WSEX
Singh -112 over Garcia @ 5dimes
Maruyama +122 over Hoch @ 5 dimes
Roberts -115 over Jiminez @ 5dimes
Mayfair -110 over Karlsson @ Camelot
Some props @ Pinnacle that may be of interest
Daly to make cut no is +195 vs Wsex +160
Woods over 69 +110 under -130
winning score over 274 +110 under -130
Probably no 1st rounders as with projected weather its difficult to know which tee times will have advantage IMHO.Not taking a chance on getting on short end of stick.
Faldo +105 over Daly WSEX
Singh -112 over Garcia @ 5dimes
Maruyama +122 over Hoch @ 5 dimes
Roberts -115 over Jiminez @ 5dimes
Mayfair -110 over Karlsson @ Camelot
Some props @ Pinnacle that may be of interest
Daly to make cut no is +195 vs Wsex +160
Woods over 69 +110 under -130
winning score over 274 +110 under -130
Probably no 1st rounders as with projected weather its difficult to know which tee times will have advantage IMHO.Not taking a chance on getting on short end of stick.
DTB,
what do you think of the prop at Oly over 272.5 -175 ? With the bad weather coming... too much to lay or still a good value?
Thanks!
what do you think of the prop at Oly over 272.5 -175 ? With the bad weather coming... too much to lay or still a good value?
Thanks!
Props:
Players to miss the cut:
Aaron Baddeley -111 @ BetInternet
Simon Dyson -111 @ Simon Bold [2 units]
Soren Hansen -111 @ Simon Bold
David Howell +105 @ Centrebet
Fredrik Jacobson -111 @ Simon Bold [2 units]
Raphael Jacquelin +120 @ Centrebet [2 units]
Soren Kjeldsen -111 @ Simon Bold [3 units]
Stephen Leaney -118 @ BetInternet
Darren Lee -133 @ Centrebet [2 units]
Mark McNulty +140 @ Centrebet
Justin Rose -105 @ Centrebet [2 units]
Under 26 players under par after 72 holes -110 @ Pinnacle [3 units]
Conditions will be nowhere near as benign as 1996 when 40 players finished the event under par. Much more relevant are the 1988 (10 players) and 1979 (1 player) events.
Still nothing more from Camelot
Will post my 'B' list of 72-hole plays instead.
Players to miss the cut:
Aaron Baddeley -111 @ BetInternet
Simon Dyson -111 @ Simon Bold [2 units]
Soren Hansen -111 @ Simon Bold
David Howell +105 @ Centrebet
Fredrik Jacobson -111 @ Simon Bold [2 units]
Raphael Jacquelin +120 @ Centrebet [2 units]
Soren Kjeldsen -111 @ Simon Bold [3 units]
Stephen Leaney -118 @ BetInternet
Darren Lee -133 @ Centrebet [2 units]
Mark McNulty +140 @ Centrebet
Justin Rose -105 @ Centrebet [2 units]
Under 26 players under par after 72 holes -110 @ Pinnacle [3 units]
Conditions will be nowhere near as benign as 1996 when 40 players finished the event under par. Much more relevant are the 1988 (10 players) and 1979 (1 player) events.
Still nothing more from Camelot
Stanley - that's a great prop bet on the Under 26; thanks for the heads-up.
A rare Anders' two-unit play on its way
Did a nice piece for the paper today on David Smail ready to play his first Major; can post it here if anyone's interested.
A rare Anders' two-unit play on its way
Did a nice piece for the paper today on David Smail ready to play his first Major; can post it here if anyone's interested.
Cheers Anders
David Smail ... my hero! My 100/1 winner of the season
Can't see him defending his New Zealand Open title next year though
David Smail ... my hero! My 100/1 winner of the season
Can't see him defending his New Zealand Open title next year though
Adding 72-hole plays:
Fred Couples to beat Jose Maria Olazabal -103 @ Five Dimes
Motivation for regular Tour events is a problem for Couples, but the British Open has always been a good event for him. In 13 trips across the pond, he has finished in the top-10 on eight occasions, including 6th last year. Olazabal can count just one and with his form erratic at best, he is one to oppose
Rocco Mediate to beat John Daly -140 @ Camelot
This is not a course on which Daly can smash his driver. He could do so at St Andrews and he won there in 1995 and he could do so at Loch Lomond last week and he finished 2nd. On the more typical British links courses he has struggled and he should do so again this week despite the new image as the "Mild Thing"
Kevin Sutherland to beat Niclas Fasth -105 @ Camelot [2 units]
Both have been been playing well on their respective Tours and both will make their British Open debuts. This is basically a play against Fasth's errant driving and in favor of Sutherland's experience which will be important in this difficult event
Adam Scott to beat Justin Rose -140 @ Moneyplays
Once again I oppose Rose! He's a better player than he was, but he is still a very long way from being a world-beater. Not so for the young Aussie with the Tiger swing. Great things have been predicted for Scott and he has already won on the European Tour this season. With three top-10 finishes in his last four events (to none from Rose), he comes into the event in great form and should easily make the weekend
Fred Couples to beat Jose Maria Olazabal -103 @ Five Dimes
Motivation for regular Tour events is a problem for Couples, but the British Open has always been a good event for him. In 13 trips across the pond, he has finished in the top-10 on eight occasions, including 6th last year. Olazabal can count just one and with his form erratic at best, he is one to oppose
Rocco Mediate to beat John Daly -140 @ Camelot
This is not a course on which Daly can smash his driver. He could do so at St Andrews and he won there in 1995 and he could do so at Loch Lomond last week and he finished 2nd. On the more typical British links courses he has struggled and he should do so again this week despite the new image as the "Mild Thing"
Kevin Sutherland to beat Niclas Fasth -105 @ Camelot [2 units]
Both have been been playing well on their respective Tours and both will make their British Open debuts. This is basically a play against Fasth's errant driving and in favor of Sutherland's experience which will be important in this difficult event
Adam Scott to beat Justin Rose -140 @ Moneyplays
Once again I oppose Rose! He's a better player than he was, but he is still a very long way from being a world-beater. Not so for the young Aussie with the Tiger swing. Great things have been predicted for Scott and he has already won on the European Tour this season. With three top-10 finishes in his last four events (to none from Rose), he comes into the event in great form and should easily make the weekend
Scott -140 over Rose
Last five meetings all won by Scott
All Stanley's stats from his site point Scott's way...(also happy to see Stanley's 2 unit play on Rose to miss the cut)
Last five meetings all won by Scott
All Stanley's stats from his site point Scott's way...(also happy to see Stanley's 2 unit play on Rose to miss the cut)
With Els also bothered with back problems (per Sporting Life article) if he starts and then withdraws, how do they grade match-ups against him. I'm assuming you'd be a winner in opposing him. Thanks.
Yes, provided Els hits one shot if he then withdraws, he is a loser in matchups. Had one selection last year - Gary Orr, can't remember the event - who hits three shots on the 1st hole and then declared himself injured
The Smail story...
For Page One:
While David Smail is anticipating expecting a late and lonely finish at the British Open, he will have his biggest fan making an early start in support.
The Hamilton golfer will tee off at 2.10am tomorrow (NZ time) in his first major well away from the spotlight directed at world No1 Tiger Woods.
But wife Sheree is hoping feeding time for their eight-8-month-old daughter Emily will coincide with the chance to see her husband in action.
The baby usually wakes at 3am for a feed so I can get up and switch the TV on and keep an eye out, Sheree said.
It's unlikely she'll get the opportunity to see Smail, who will play in a threesome with unknown British golfers Stuart Callan and amateur Stuart Wilson. And while the crowds will flock to follow Woods' every shot, Smail is expecting to finish his round in near darkness and with the course close to empty.
I was talking to (Australian golfer) Peter Lonard the other day and he said he played in the Open with a 4pm tee time. He finished around 10pm with no one there, Smail said.
For Sports Page:
Even the normally unflappable David Smail is getting excited.
The Hamilton golfer admits that trying to stave off nerves could be his biggest challenge when he tees off in the British Open tomorrow morning (NZ time).
Smail, one of four Kiwis at the Open at Royal Lytham and St Annes, is in the penultimate threesome to start at 3.10pm (UK time) in the first round. He told the Waikato Times that filling in time before teeing off will be tough.
It's a long wait all right _ the latest I think I've started before in a tournament is about 1.50pm.
I'll get up late, have a late breakfast and just try and stick with the usual routines, Smail said.
Smail aims to do some reading and have a late lunch before heading to the course an hour before he tees off, as is his standard preparation.
This year's New Zealand Open winner qualified for the Open with successive 67s on the Hillside course just south of the Open venue.
But he admits the testing links course will be a real battle, with winds and rain expected throughout the four-day event.
I'm not that confident at the moment but I did putt pretty well during qualifying and that was a tough course too.
Smail has had little experience on links courses, with none featuring on the Asian Tour where he regularly plies his trade, while Paraparaumu Beach is the best comparison in New Zealand.
It's a pretty amazing course, said Smail, who has been practising with USPGA runner-up Mark Brooks and Australian Richard Green.
I guess the aim is to make the cut so I can play at the weekend and then try and end up somewhere near the top.
Michael Campbell, Greg Turner and Sir Bob Charles are the other New Zealanders who will compete in the Open.
[This message has been edited by Anders (edited 07-18-2001).]
For Page One:
While David Smail is anticipating expecting a late and lonely finish at the British Open, he will have his biggest fan making an early start in support.
The Hamilton golfer will tee off at 2.10am tomorrow (NZ time) in his first major well away from the spotlight directed at world No1 Tiger Woods.
But wife Sheree is hoping feeding time for their eight-8-month-old daughter Emily will coincide with the chance to see her husband in action.
The baby usually wakes at 3am for a feed so I can get up and switch the TV on and keep an eye out, Sheree said.
It's unlikely she'll get the opportunity to see Smail, who will play in a threesome with unknown British golfers Stuart Callan and amateur Stuart Wilson. And while the crowds will flock to follow Woods' every shot, Smail is expecting to finish his round in near darkness and with the course close to empty.
I was talking to (Australian golfer) Peter Lonard the other day and he said he played in the Open with a 4pm tee time. He finished around 10pm with no one there, Smail said.
For Sports Page:
Even the normally unflappable David Smail is getting excited.
The Hamilton golfer admits that trying to stave off nerves could be his biggest challenge when he tees off in the British Open tomorrow morning (NZ time).
Smail, one of four Kiwis at the Open at Royal Lytham and St Annes, is in the penultimate threesome to start at 3.10pm (UK time) in the first round. He told the Waikato Times that filling in time before teeing off will be tough.
It's a long wait all right _ the latest I think I've started before in a tournament is about 1.50pm.
I'll get up late, have a late breakfast and just try and stick with the usual routines, Smail said.
Smail aims to do some reading and have a late lunch before heading to the course an hour before he tees off, as is his standard preparation.
This year's New Zealand Open winner qualified for the Open with successive 67s on the Hillside course just south of the Open venue.
But he admits the testing links course will be a real battle, with winds and rain expected throughout the four-day event.
I'm not that confident at the moment but I did putt pretty well during qualifying and that was a tough course too.
Smail has had little experience on links courses, with none featuring on the Asian Tour where he regularly plies his trade, while Paraparaumu Beach is the best comparison in New Zealand.
It's a pretty amazing course, said Smail, who has been practising with USPGA runner-up Mark Brooks and Australian Richard Green.
I guess the aim is to make the cut so I can play at the weekend and then try and end up somewhere near the top.
Michael Campbell, Greg Turner and Sir Bob Charles are the other New Zealanders who will compete in the Open.
[This message has been edited by Anders (edited 07-18-2001).]
Here are my plays for the British Open
Outrights:
Woods 5-2 @ Victor Chandler
Bjorn 28-1 @ Sportodds
Love 33-1 @ Surrey
Matchups:
Leonard -115 vs Langer @ Royal
Bjorn -120 vs Harrington @ Royal
Montgomerie -111 vs Els @ Canbet
Sutherland -115 vs Fasth @ Camelot
Mediate -140 vs Daly @ Camelot
Other:
Daren Lee to miss cut -133 @ Centrebet
Outrights:
Woods 5-2 @ Victor Chandler
Bjorn 28-1 @ Sportodds
Love 33-1 @ Surrey
Matchups:
Leonard -115 vs Langer @ Royal
Bjorn -120 vs Harrington @ Royal
Montgomerie -111 vs Els @ Canbet
Sutherland -115 vs Fasth @ Camelot
Mediate -140 vs Daly @ Camelot
Other:
Daren Lee to miss cut -133 @ Centrebet
been waiting to see if the weather would take a turn for the worse, hoping it is horrible. here are the odds i am using for winner
101 Tiger Woods +250
102 David Duval +1600
103 Phil Mickelson +1200
104 Vijay Singh +1800
105 Sergio Garcia +1600
106 Ernie Els +3600
107 Davis Love III +2800
108 Colin Montgomerie +4000
109 Stewart Cink +6000
110 Tom Lehman +3000
111 Angel Cabrera +6000
112 Lee Westwood +8000
113 Jesper Parnevik +2500
114 Jim Furyk +6400
115 David Toms +10000
116 Darren Clarke +2000
117 Nick Price +6000
118 Retief Goosen +3000
119 Thomas Bjorn +3000
120 Michael Campbell +8000
121 Mark Calcavecchia +10000
122 Padraig Harrington +4400
123 Mike Weir +5000
124 Bernhard Langer +8000
125 Justin Leonard +8000
126 Jose Maria Olazabal +8000
127 Rocco Mediate +10000
128 Fred Couples +10000
129 The Field +350
First off I see a european player winning this thing. second I like someone that not many talk about. FALDO.
FIELD +350 5 UNITS
HARRINGTON +4400 3 UNITS
MONTGOMERIE +4000 3 UNITS
WESTWOOD +8000 1 UNIT
MATCHUPS
COUPLES -110 OVER OLAZABAL 5 UNITS
CHECK THIS OUT 3 ON 1 MATCHUP
ELS,GARCIA,GOOSEN OVER WOODS +150 5 UNITS
LEONARD OVER DALY -140 5 UNITS
CALCAVECCHIA OVER FAXON -110 4 UNITS
ONE PROP:
DAVIS LOVES FIRST ROUND SCORE OVER 70'-115
10 UNITS
GL TO ALL
101 Tiger Woods +250
102 David Duval +1600
103 Phil Mickelson +1200
104 Vijay Singh +1800
105 Sergio Garcia +1600
106 Ernie Els +3600
107 Davis Love III +2800
108 Colin Montgomerie +4000
109 Stewart Cink +6000
110 Tom Lehman +3000
111 Angel Cabrera +6000
112 Lee Westwood +8000
113 Jesper Parnevik +2500
114 Jim Furyk +6400
115 David Toms +10000
116 Darren Clarke +2000
117 Nick Price +6000
118 Retief Goosen +3000
119 Thomas Bjorn +3000
120 Michael Campbell +8000
121 Mark Calcavecchia +10000
122 Padraig Harrington +4400
123 Mike Weir +5000
124 Bernhard Langer +8000
125 Justin Leonard +8000
126 Jose Maria Olazabal +8000
127 Rocco Mediate +10000
128 Fred Couples +10000
129 The Field +350
First off I see a european player winning this thing. second I like someone that not many talk about. FALDO.
FIELD +350 5 UNITS
HARRINGTON +4400 3 UNITS
MONTGOMERIE +4000 3 UNITS
WESTWOOD +8000 1 UNIT
MATCHUPS
COUPLES -110 OVER OLAZABAL 5 UNITS
CHECK THIS OUT 3 ON 1 MATCHUP
ELS,GARCIA,GOOSEN OVER WOODS +150 5 UNITS
LEONARD OVER DALY -140 5 UNITS
CALCAVECCHIA OVER FAXON -110 4 UNITS
ONE PROP:
DAVIS LOVES FIRST ROUND SCORE OVER 70'-115
10 UNITS
GL TO ALL
Any european guys on here yet that can give me a more accurate weather update. I wanting to drop some coinage on these first round scores but am getting conflicting reports on weather. this course is going to eat some people alive today. especially some americans. any help would be appreciated. thanks.
Neverteaseit, there is a link to the local weather on the previous page - DTB posted it.
You could also try the www.metoffice.com site & look for Blackpool if not Lytham St. Annes
You could also try the www.metoffice.com site & look for Blackpool if not Lytham St. Annes
Thanks stanley. do you know if the wind is supposed to pick up later ? currently at 11 mphs. I really want to hammer this love III play especially if wind is more severe. he tees off around 14:00.
Winds normally pick up with the change of the tides on these links courses, normally between midday and 2pm.
Conditions look fair right now. Still think this course is going to play really tough. I don't see many breaking par with late tee times. Was going to take Woods over 68' but with him going in the next hour he may get a break and shoot 68 or better. Still just don't see many low rounds out there today. if they are there it will be from not so popular players IMO.
