Farewell Matt Leinert

[DIRTY Diapers]

I remember back when P. Manning and R. Leaf where coming out of college. People questioned Peyton's arm strength and overall athletic ability compared to Ryan Leaf. Half the people wanted Indy to take Leaf with his thunderous arm and the other half wanted a winner like Manning. I'm sure the Colts are happy with their decision.

 

[pt1gard]

rick mirer and ryan leaf were drafted pretty high, david klingler, Tim Couch, and akili too (countless other flops as QBs--Many thought Montana wouldnt make it) ... Leinert is smart but his tools (dna) limit him, but i guess it did son of preacher boy too

 

[DerekNJND]

rick mirer and ryan leaf were drafted pretty high, david klingler, Tim Couch, and akili too (countless other flops as QBs--Many thought Montana wouldnt make it) ... Leinert is smart but his tools (dna) limit him, but i guess it did son of preacher boy too

I'm not sure any of those guys lost 2 games in their entire college career though

 

[Dice34]

Ape, you've done your homework, I enjoyed the information in your post. The only thing you are overlooking is the "winning" edge. The NFL is a business. Businesses look at the bottom line. In the NFL, the bottom line is WINS. The other stuff you mentioned are indicative of how many games a QB can help you win, but nothing speaks more loudly than a 37-2 college record. NOTHING.

Am I predicting Leinhart will be a great NFL QB? No of course not. As an ND fan I hate him and would love to see him flop. However this debate was based on his DRAFT POSITION, and there are PLENTY of LOSING NFL TEAMS that have nothing to lose by taking a leader/winner early in the draft. Because of his ability to win games, some team will take him in the top 5 of the draft.

if you recall, nobody said he was good enough to start when Palmer left and they were dead wrong. And you are right, he had a great supporting cast and some great receivers in his tenure at USC. But the last time I checked football, even in the NFL, is a TEAM sport and other players MUST contribute to ANYONE's SUCCESS! That argument is overrated.

The bottom line is that staying at USC and going 11-1 could not have hurt Leinhart. If anything, if as Sex Ape says, and Leinhart was LACKING in some fundamental QB qualities, then another year in college could only HELP his development

The winning edge?? Did Ken Dorsey and David Greene win alot of games and lose very little? It doesn't always work out that way snow flake so don't make it a bigger deal than his skills and mechanics, ok cupcake?

 

[Scott4USC]

go on scott try and chip away at my points

I thought your post was very informative and I sorta agree with you for the most part. I think Leinarts success depends on what team/system he gets put into. Put him in the right system and he will win in the NFL like he won at USC.

Here are 2 errors in your post. :grins:

USC never had speed at WR with Leinart. USC WR's have been big and physical but USC never had a speed burner. This year USC basically only had 2 productive WR's and neither were super fast. Don't get me wrong, Leinart had awesome WR's, just not speed burners.

You are right that Leianart this year benefited GREATLY from an awesome OL, WR's, TE, RB's (who catch ball and run well) etc. However, you failed to mention Leinart winning the Heisman Trophy last year with brand new OL, brand new WR corps, new FB, and 2nd string TE. Not to mention WR Smith was injured for MOST of the year last year. Leinart still produced and got the job done. You gave him credit for being a great leader last year but you didn't give him credit for being the only experienced player on offense last year and still producing at the highest level. IMO, that shows me a lot about Leinart.

 

[DerekNJND]

The winning edge?? Did Ken Dorsey and David Greene win alot of games and lose very little? It doesn't always work out that way snow flake so don't make it a bigger deal than his skills and mechanics, ok cupcake?

Ok couple quick points here:

A.) Dorsey was NEVER projected by analysts and experts to be a first round pick. NEVER. He was in fact a 7th rounder.

B.)Dorsey is only 24 and still a baby by NFL standards. He could get his shot yet, who knows?

C.)Men dont call other men "snowflake" or "cupcake", unless they are pitching for the other team. I will assume that is the case with you Dice, and it confirms my earlier suspicions. At least now we know what your "edge" is pillowbiter.

 

[Dice34]

Ok couple quick points here:

A.) Dorsey was NEVER projected by analysts and experts to be a first round pick. NEVER. He was in fact a 7th rounder.

B.)Dorsey is only 24 and still a baby by NFL standards. He could get his shot yet, who knows?

C.)Men dont call other men "snowflake" or "cupcake", unless they are pitching for the other team. I will assume that is the case with you Dice, and it confirms my earlier suspicions. At least now we know what your "edge" is pillowbiter.

you need to get a life, madjacks is not a porn site, but you frequent the site, like there are a pair of lesbians going at it, you have 1,700 posts in a lil over 3 months.......or maybe you enjoy getting off talking dirty to men on here...you pervert! :s8: .....I know the ND women are dogs, but I'm sure the mens basketball team could show you some backdoor action that you would enjoy!!

 

[DerekNJND]

you need to get a life, madjacks is not a porn site, but you frequent the site, like there are a pair of lesbians going at it, you have 1,700 posts in a lil over 3 months.......or maybe you enjoy getting off talking dirty to men on here...you pervert! :s8: .....I know the ND women are dogs, but I'm sure the mens basketball team could show you some backdoor action that you would enjoy!!

Dude, you called me "snowflake" and "cupcake" in the same paragraph. I think you have lost the credibility to call someone else gay.

BTW, what happened to the FOOTBALL debate that you obviously lost, or wouldnt resort to a post full of namecalling?

Right..... :mj122: