Fudgepack Mountain wins the Globe!!!

[forest29]

Two words for you dr. freeze, self-proclaimed "historian of pyschiatry:"

Reaction Formation.

 

[dr. freeze]

Two words for you dr. freeze, self-proclaimed "historian of pyschiatry:"

Reaction Formation.

tell me the science behind the change

please erase the personal information posted

thanks in advance

memo to forest: one can pretty much find any defense mechanism and apply it blindly to anything and find anything to follow...for example, i might think that your use of such a blind diagnosis might put you squarely in a state of using "transference" or perhaps even "avoidance" of using such an imagined defense mechanism as you posted

i refer to most of psychiatry as thought policing/manipulation anyway as it often throws science out the window as it does here

 

[Nosigar]

Dude, you're an ill-informed idiot. What? Did gun-toting leather queens hijack the 1972 APA conference and force the Freudian Ivory-tower types to their knees (pun intended)?

You obviously know NOTHING about the history and practice of psychiatry/psychology, the DSM (probably don't even know what that is...) or the VOLUMES of independent research that indicates that being lesbian or gay is neither abnormal nor deviant nor chosen for most individuals. Add that to the mountain of research from the past two decades or so whose findings CLEARY indicate (and have been replicated many times--do you know what THAT means?) that the children of gay or lesbian parents fare no worse in ANY respect that those of hetero parents. Mind you, many of these findings came at a time in our culture in which it was assumed by a large portion of folks, including researchers, that gays WERE deviant and that their children must therefore suffer/fare worse than kids from straight unions...the findings of many well-respected reasearchers actually stood in stark contrast to what they and the culture at large had assumed and what they hypothesized they would find!

Unless you've got a Ph.D., Psy.D. or M.D. tucked away somewhere in that pathetic, homophobic pea of a brain you've got there, don't come in here and talk about "secular behaviorist/ psychodynamic theory" like you've got a clue about any of it.

If you were such a terrific psychdynamic theorist you would know that in fact FREUD HIMSELF (perhaps you are aware that he is the father of psychodynamism...), in a FAMOUS letter to a mother concerned about her gay son, told her that he was what he was, that his homosexulaity was "nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness...Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc.). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime, and cruelty too." THOSE QUOTATION MARKS MEANS THAT IS WHAT FREUD HIMSELF SAID. NOT AN ILLNESS.

Get a grip.

P.S. Do you love my avatar or what ya big homophobic ahole? I thought so, you big hypocritical ahole.

:mj07:

Man, this has got to be the most pathetic, pseudo-eliist, stupid and ignorant post I've read since...... well..... ever.
How many PHD's do you have , Dr.? Are you better than anyone else because of your slanted and hibernated teachings? You want to compare Ph.D's with anyone else around? Is your head so much up your ass 'cause you wasted valuable "life-time" droning for close-minded androids?

You cite studies from nobodies in a pseudo-science. Do you not have common sense, something many human beings are supposed to posses as an innate quality.

I'm not up to debating this whole thread issue at this point, but narrow-minded and fallaciously stupid comments like these make me cringe.
****in' drone.

 

[ELVIS]

Traditional values and morals have been assaulted in this country for nearly 50 years now, so it is a little late and also a lost cause to fight against. And America is going down with it sadly as our leaders reflect the virtue of our country. Sadly, and admittedly, Dr. Freeze does not measure up to any kind of greatness in the moral department, but that does not warrant me or anyone else lowering the bar even further. Nor does it warrant me or anyone else throwing away our conscience and moral code -- whatever that may be, because it is impossible to live by.[/QUOTE]

i couldn't express that last paragraph any better.

if someone does not approve of the homosexual lifestyle, how are they automatically a homophobe/hypocrite? i personally disagree with their lifestyle, yet i don't hate them. i really believe that many people here are "hypocrites" as well. how many of you in the forum have attended a religous event at a conservative church as of late? i can assure you that the majority of hate crimes that are committed - against gays,minorities,abortionists,etc. do not represent the teachings/ actions of the majority of evangelicals in this country.(there will always be whacko haters that call themselves "Christians")
i grew up in some of the most conservative Bible-belt churches you could ever imagine. i cannot remember one minister ever advocating hating other people for their lifestyle choices. the message was quite consistent against hating others for their choices, but to pray for the individual to repent.

i am somewhat confused by referring to those that disagree with this lifestyle as homophobes or hypocrites.

i will now wait for the far more eloquent to scold me and inform me of how ignorant i am......

 

[smurphy]

Top Gun was the gayest thing I've ever seen. Gayer than Brokeback Mountain could ever be.

I wish the hypocritical uptight morally superior assholes would take over Idaho or where ever the hell they want their paradise to be already and just stfu!

Ever notice that the more anti-gay someone is, the more they like to use the most graphic and sexually charged comments to bash gays. Kind of makes me wonder what their true inner desires really are when they go on and on about penises and male anuses. Why don't they just rent some gay porn and get it out of their system.

 

[bjfinste]

Saul- Straight-up on Top Gun. That volleyball scene was probably an inspiration to the writers of Brokeback Mountain.

 

[godsfavoritedog]

i couldn't express that last paragraph any better.

if someone does not approve of the homosexual lifestyle, how are they automatically a homophobe/hypocrite? i personally disagree with their lifestyle, yet i don't hate them. i really believe that many people here are "hypocrites" as well. how many of you in the forum have attended a religous event at a conservative church as of late? i can assure you that the majority of hate crimes that are committed - against gays,minorities,abortionists,etc. do not represent the teachings/ actions of the majority of evangelicals in this country.(there will always be whacko haters that call themselves "Christians")
i grew up in some of the most conservative Bible-belt churches you could ever imagine. i cannot remember one minister ever advocating hating other people for their lifestyle choices. the message was quite consistent against hating others for their choices, but to pray for the individual to repent.

i am somewhat confused by referring to those that disagree with this lifestyle as homophobes or hypocrites.

i will now wait for the far more eloquent to scold me and inform me of how ignorant i am......

Not ignorant at all, and you have very right to disagree with their lifestyle and to post that you do. By posting what you have, you do not come across as homophobic. I doubt anyone, even a gay person, would have a problem with your statements. It's when you post the kind of hateful bullshit that "Dr." Freeze and his parrots have posted that you cross into homophobic territory. We should worry more about narrow-minded, hateful morons like that raising children than we should about gays.

 

[godsfavoritedog]

Ever notice that the more anti-gay someone is, the more they like to use the most graphic and sexually charged comments to bash gays. Kind of makes me wonder what their true inner desires really are when they go on and on about penises and male anuses. Why don't they just rent some gay porn and get it out of their system.

Exactly. They're just scared little people who have a little too much "fag" in them, hate that part of themselves, and do whatever they can to avoid letting anyone else in on their little secret. The sad thing is, that by overcompensating, they end up shouting it out to the whole world. Any man who is truly secure in his own heterosexuality would never have such a huge problem with gays that he would resort to that kind of crap. It must be hell to live in such denial.

 

[pirate fan]

I think it's pretty clearly laid out in the Bible the answer to this question. There's nothing wrong with saying a said activity is wrong. Whether it be lying, stealing, etc. It is wrong to "judge" whether a person is going to heaven or hell. That's misunderstood by many Christians and leads to a lot of passivity.



Actually it is not clearly laid out in the Bible. The earliest ethical codes of the Hebrews make no mention of homosexual behavior. Not the ten commandments, Jesus never addresses it. The texts that do touch on it are few and far between and not even all these are really pertinent. This is not a fundamental biblical theme or concern. It comes close in the Sodom story but the focus truly is on lust in general and God's judgement. There are only three passages in the Bible that reference this behavior. Romans1:26-27, I Cor. 6:9 and I Timothy 1:10 . These all focus on lust in general, whatever form, not homosexuality in particular.

 

[dr. freeze]

Not ignorant at all, and you have very right to disagree with their lifestyle and to post that you do. By posting what you have, you do not come across as homophobic. I doubt anyone, even a gay person, would have a problem with your statements. It's when you post the kind of hateful bullshit that "Dr." Freeze and his parrots have posted that you cross into homophobic territory. We should worry more about narrow-minded, hateful morons like that raising children than we should about gays.

what exactly is "hateful" that i posted?

more ridiculous accusation

unfortunately, i have to deal with very graphic REAL consequences of this disease DAILY so I am not sure how anyone jumps to any ridiculous psychological explanation when one exposes a little bit of reality

if anything, i am assaulting hollywood for promoting this lifestyle as something that it is not. as a result, many many people suffer as they are led down this road by its influence. obviously no one in here has discussed things such as being on the "low down". do any of you know what that is and how it is ruining families? or do you just think that being gay is all about happiness?

for those of you think this lifestyle is only about "romance" and "two guys holding hands" you obviously are oblivious and blind

 

[StevieD]

Not sure if this was already posted.

January 1, 2006
Op-Ed Contributor
Cowboys Are My Weakness
By LARRY DAVID
SOMEBODY had to write this, and it might as well be me. I haven't seen "Brokeback Mountain," nor do I have any intention of seeing it. In fact, cowboys would have to lasso me, drag me into the theater and tie me to the seat, and even then I would make every effort to close my eyes and cover my ears.

And I love lively people. Hey, I've got lively acquaintances. Good acquaintances, who know they can call me anytime if they had my phone number. I'm for lively marriage, lively divorce, lively this and lively that. I just don't want to watch two straight men, alone on the prairie, fall in love and kiss and hug and hold hands and whatnot. That's all.

Is that so terrible? Does that mean I'm homophobic? And if I am, well, then that's too bad. Because you can call me any name you want, but I'm still not going to that movie.

To my surprise, I have some straight friends who've not only seen the movie but liked it. "One of the best love stories ever," one gushed. Another went on, "Oh, my God, you completely forget that it's two men. You in particular will love it."

"Why me?"

"You just will, trust me."

But I don't trust him. If two cowboys, male icons who are 100 percent all-man, can succumb, what chance to do I have, half- to a quarter of a man, depending on whom I'm with at the time? I'm a very susceptible person, easily influenced, a natural-born follower with no sales-resistance. When I walk into a store, clerks wrestle one another trying to get to me first. My wife won't let me watch infomercials because of all the junk I've ordered that's now piled up in the garage. My medicine cabinet is filled with vitamins and bald cures.

So who's to say I won't become enamored with the whole lively business? Let's face it, there is some appeal there. I know I've always gotten along great with men. I never once paced in my room rehearsing what to say before asking a guy if he wanted to go to the movies. And I generally don't pay for men, which of course is their most appealing attribute.

And lively guys always seem like they're having a great time. At the Christmas party I went to, they were the only ones who sang. Boy that looked like fun. I would love to sing, but this weighty, self-conscious heterosexuality I'm saddled with won't permit it.

I just know if I saw that movie, the voice inside my head that delights in torturing me would have a field day. "You like those cowboys, don't you? They're kind of cute. Go ahead, admit it, they're cute. You can't fool me, lively man. Go ahead, stop fighting it. You're lively! You're lively!"

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Larry David appears in the HBO series "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

 

[godsfavoritedog]

Freeze:

"Fudgepack"?? "Sick garbage"?? Sure, nothing hateful about that.

Do you mean the "down-low"? Yeah, I thought so. I agree with you that's pretty messed up but maybe without the stigma attached to homosexuality, there wouldn't be so much of this kind of behavior. Seems obvious to me.

 

[Nosigar]

if someone does not approve of the homosexual lifestyle, how are they automatically a homophobe/hypocrite? i personally disagree with their lifestyle, yet i don't hate them. i really believe that many people here are "hypocrites" as well. how many of you in the forum have attended a religous event at a conservative church as of late? i can assure you that the majority of hate crimes that are committed - against gays,minorities,abortionists,etc. do not represent the teachings/ actions of the majority of evangelicals in this country.(there will always be whacko haters that call themselves "Christians")
i grew up in some of the most conservative Bible-belt churches you could ever imagine. i cannot remember one minister ever advocating hating other people for their lifestyle choices. the message was quite consistent against hating others for their choices, but to pray for the individual to repent.

i am somewhat confused by referring to those that disagree with this lifestyle as homophobes or hypocrites.

i will now wait for the far more eloquent to scold me and inform me of how ignorant i am......

Extremely well said. I am not a church-goer myself but was raised between a Southern Baptist influence and Catholic schooling. I NEVER saw any mention of hatred towards any group of people, regardless of their condition, whatsoever.

What has happened here is the liberals desire to put down honest, normal regular folks in order to destroy a moral fiber which actually helped build the greatest civilization this earth has ever known (yes, including th Mayans, Phoenicians, Romans and any other alien-supported culture). Perfect? Not by any means. Corrective? Yes, constantly.

Whether you believe in religion or not, all have to admit that the existence of religion has been, since the beginnig of civilization, what has allowed societies to exist, co-exist and prosper. Whether there is a God or not, the fear, respect and adulation to Him/(Her) has created an environment conducive to create and develop culturally.
Now the existing civilization is not adequate for the fringe liberals and the childish way they see to destroy what exists and has taken centuries to develop is by ridiculizing it and charging the idea with misleading accusations. Some will come and say that religion is the worst evil society has encountered and give examples of the Crusades, the muslim fanatics, the fights between religious factions, etc., all product of humnkinds innate rivalry and personal independence. What they do not see is that religion itself has built the society. Without religion societiy as we know it would have never existed. Superstition and self gratification will go a long way
to hinder a societies ability to cope, yet that is exactly the wish of the accusing leftists.

The existence or not of a God should never be the issue, but the respect to the idea of that belief which has allowed us to progress to complexities beyond simple individual singularites is certainly paramount.

What's thay gotta do with the gay thing, well as said above, gays are cout of the closet and nobody's putting them back in. But the idea that this is a norm or even normal AND that special considerations should be given based on the fact that religiousity is the enemy, that is total BS. That gays are good and religionis bad is a way to attack the culture that does not support constant instant self-gratification, seems to me a very weak plan and very dangerous.

 

[MadJack]

now hear this!

 

[forest29]

now hear this!

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

That was the funniest sh*t I have seen in a long time.

Thank you Jack for bringing some humor into this thread.
:clap:

 

[dawgball]

Am I the only person here that can't stand watching that guy? I have yet to actually listen to an entire one. I just don't get it.

 

[larryowen]

The thought that one is born gay is bullshit so if you choose to live this way don't blame us if we don't accept this lifestyle. But I will put this to the test I will find a nude picture of Tommy Lee and a separate one of Pam Anderson and put those in front of my 1 year old nephew if he grabs Tommys dick then I know he must of been born gay. But if this isn't the correct gay test maybe someone can tell me how do you test at birth to see if a child is born gay?

 

[kosar]

lol- the hits just keep coming.

 

[pharlap]

Actually it is not clearly laid out in the Bible. The earliest ethical codes of the Hebrews make no mention of homosexual behavior. Not the ten commandments, Jesus never addresses it. The texts that do touch on it are few and far between and not even all these are really pertinent. This is not a fundamental biblical theme or concern. It comes close in the Sodom story but the focus truly is on lust in general and God's judgement. There are only three passages in the Bible that reference this behavior. Romans1:26-27, I Cor. 6:9 and I Timothy 1:10 . These all focus on lust in general, whatever form, not homosexuality in particular.

Actually, it sounds pretty specific about homosexuality to me.

Romans 1:26-27

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.


I'm not Christian, but the fact is the bible DOES condemn it. Clearly. But as many Christians have said to me, they condemn the sin, not the sinner.

 

[pirate fan]

Pharlap, don't know where you got that translation from but that is pretty far off the original hebrew text.