Kessler/Ward

[frank s.]

BUMP

BUMP

I was think bout going to Oakland to see this but 2 airline tickets, and fight ticks would run bout a nickel or more so I think I'll just bet it on Kessler. I was watching some video of Kessler and he does throw lovely combinations, throughout the fight, into the later rounds. I mean 3-4-5 punch combos; love it. I think his experience will prevail here.

 

[crow]

I'm with you Frank.
I don't like Kessler here- i LOVE him.
Ward has only youth and hand speed; no power and a shaky chin.
Against Kessler it isn't going to be nearly enough.

I would rate Ward under Mundine, who's just as fast.And Kessler handled him with ease WITH A BAD BACK TO BOOT , in Australia.

I hope the odds on Ward go down so i can unload on Kessler.:toast:

 

[frank s.]

"Punches in bunches" would describe Kessler. Also, what better experience than 12 rds. with Joe Calzaghe? Lets not forget Mundine and the "cyborg" Andrade who is almost impossibe to KO. I think Kessler has the most outstanding right cross I have ever seen. Lets bring home a winner this week!!!

 

[frank s.]

Odds update

Odds update

Kessler still -180 at the M resort/+160 back on Ward as of noon today, 11/16/2009. I'm going back end of the week and hopefully Ward $$$ comes in and I'll smack Kessler a few more times.

 

[Andrey]

I have no idea who is going to win but Ward by decision at +400 are GREAT odds, in my opinion. This is seems like my one important bet for me for this weekend so far. Many picking Kessler here but I think if Ward will win it will be by decision.

 

[frank s.]

Agree. I also feel if Kessler wins it too will be by decision, but so far I haven't seen that prop in Vegas, not that it isn't posted at a book I haven't been too.

 

[Andrey]

Good luck with Kessler bet, Frank! I saw Kessler -175 at Lucky's sporsbooks yesterday.

Agree. I also feel if Kessler wins it too will be by decision, but so far I haven't seen that prop in Vegas, not that it isn't posted at a book I haven't been too.

 

[crow]

Kessler is more favored to win by dec (+160) than by KO (+200), but only slightly.

I was confident enough to wager for Cotto not to get blitzed in the first half of the fight, but i can't be here.

Kessler gets more heavy handed as he ages. He demolished Beyer, Haussler and Perdomo.
Ward's chin and Kessler's precision are big enough question marks for me to play it safe here: Kessler straight.

 

[The Brainiac]

Ward has been rocked atleast 2-3 times and knocked down , when Kessler puts his hands on him I wouldn't be surprised if he goes down hard , pro boxing is not Olympics .

 

[frank s.]

Watching Ward on youtube again. Keeps his left hand down in dangerous fashion. Kessler has a magnificent right cross. A bad combination I'd say, for Ward that is.

 

[Ghost Kid]

Ward's speed gives him shot against Kessler
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1319/wards_speed_gives_him_shot_against_kessler/

 

[frank s.]

ORCHESTRATION

ORCHESTRATION

I for one would not use the term "fixed" in regards to boxing, however, the word orchestration does come to mind. Now this fight, after reading that Sauerland, Kessler's promoter, says ALL the officials, judges and ref, are California based, as is Ward reeks of it.. Bad enough they are in Oakland, Ward's home town. Officials, according to the Super Six rules are SUPPOSED to be neutral. So if there are no adjustments made, Kessler's title will not be at stake. Two Americans, Taylor and Dirrell both lose, so maybe some modifications are in order. Stack the fuking deck why don't you! Smells like Ward by orchestrated decision.

 

[Fightwriter]

It might work the OTHER way

It might work the OTHER way

I for one would not use the term "fixed" in regards to boxing, however, the word orchestration does come to mind. Now this fight, after reading that Sauerland, Kessler's promoter, says ALL the officials, judges and ref, are California based, as is Ward reeks of it.. Bad enough they are in Oakland, Ward's home town. Officials, according to the Super Six rules are SUPPOSED to be neutral. So if there are no adjustments made, Kessler's title will not be at stake. Two Americans, Taylor and Dirrell both lose, so maybe some modifications are in order. Stack the fuking deck why don't you! Smells like Ward by orchestrated decision.

I don't know about this. These judges know they will be under scrutiny, with worldwide TV, and they just might give Kessler the benefit of the doubt in any tight, up-in-the-air rounds, rather like Larry O'Connell "over compensated" as the sole British judge in the first Lewis-Holyfield fight. Also, many feel that the Las Vegas judges gave Lewis all the breaks in the scoring in his rematch with Holyfield because they didn't want to be seen as robbing the non-American guy for a second time. ... Is California noted for home-bias decisions? I'm not sure it is. Dan Goossen's guy James Toney lost a very debatable decision to Sam Peter in Los Angeles, and Goossen-promoted Eddie Chambers was one round on one card from having to settle for a draw against Peter in a fight that Chambers clearly won. We'll see, but if the fight goes close I would half-expect Kessler to get the verdict.

 

[frank s.]

Well FW, I am not saying 100% it's a manipulation type of deal, but most recently Diaz-Malignaggi comes to mind in Texas. Home cooking was a hot topic before this fight and now a rematch is going to be on neutral turf. Why is that even necessary?
If judging is supposed to be fair and impartial, venue should be inconsequential. I just think something may be rotten, and it ain't in Denmark!

 

[gardenweasel]

i tried to make counter-arguments for ward(i think it`s a good idea to try and look at all these fights from both sides of the spectrum)....

but after watching more video of both guys,i find it harder and harder to make a case for ward...and i find it very hard to believe that ward is on such a long winning streak(amateur and pro)....

he looks downright sloppy at times...and doesn`t appear to have much power...

he`s awkward...has some quicks...likes to clinch when things get dicey....

he`s obviously mentally tough...he`s been buzzed but came back to win...

the speed and awkwardness of calzaghe frustrated kessler...this could be an issue...

kessler hasn`t been in many fights that were even close,so his mental toughness on foreign soil is,for me,a ?.....

i know,i know...mundine...my opinion is that mundine`s highly overrated.....he hasn`t faired well when he stepped up...he has few ,if any,elite wins..

i admittedly have kessler in several parlays...the guy is an excellent technician... beautiful to watch...maybe my favorite european fighter to watch right after calzaghe(and before vitali klit)...

that "ward by decision" at +400 is an excellent idea,andrey..a perfect hedge for my kessler pars...that`s why i love this place...

excellent idea...:toast:

btw...how likely is a draw in this contest scenario?...i`m sure they have some sort of point apportionment included for the draw possibility...but do they really want to see any draws?....chances of ward getting a gift draw on home turf?...been a bad start in the tourney for americans(imo,it was set-up to play out that way,considering the match-ups and venues)...

not sure...

 

[crow]

Kessler's title isn't at stake ??
That changes a lot of things if correct.

 

[frank s.]

Kessler's team is saying if the officials aren't changed to satisfy them in some way, then no title. To me this changes the whole complextion of the fight. Now it is a bootleg deal rather than a 100% legit title fight. This fight is now Kessler's to lose. Dan Goosen is saying he wants it all to be above board. Lord have mercy!!!! The Goosen's, as is Ward, are from California and Ward is a Goosen product. Give me a fukin break. MANIPULATION!!!!!!!:nono:

 

[crow]

Wilfried Sauerland:

“One thing I want to point out. We will not accept Dan?s choice of judges. He has done a great job to get his fighter three fights at home, but now he has appointed three judges from California. Needless to say, we will not accept his friends and colleagues judging this fight, so he better starts moving because it takes a while to bring in new judges.

“The WBA has written a strong letter to the Californian commission that the choice of judges is unacceptable but the Californian commission has been somewhat hard to reach. The WBA has been trying to contact them, sending faxes and everything. If this issue is not sorted, we can have a Super Six fight, but Mikkel?s world title will not be on the line.”

GOOSSEN’S COMMENT ON JUDGES
"Our company (Goossen Tutor Promotions) has nothing to do with picking officials. Whoever the WBA and the commission appoint is what we go with...The only man I want to see walking out of the ring is the real champion without any sort of interference."

That's very annoying, because if the WBA refuses to sanction the title fight (rightly so) with only Californian judges at ringside, Ward might be even more enclined to get on his bicycle and hope to steal a decision.

Good thing i didn't put any $$ down yet.

 

[Kramden]

Kessler is smart to object to an all California panel. Those Cali judges will fuck Kessler, believe that. They are up there with Texas for cheating. Hey, if Ward wants the title so badly, he'll have to agree to neutral judges. If he doesn't agree, no title shot.

 

[Ghost Kid]

Those 3 judges won't matter at all if Kessler puts the S.O.G. through the canvas......