Go ahead and celebrate how bad ass Odor is, hell chant U.S.A.every time a Dominican and Venezuelan fight, just like the crowd did. I guess that's what we do now.
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I believe they were chanting USA because Toronto is located in Canada, and not because the 2 major players involved hail from foreign places.
I broke the replay down and that was how I interpreted it. Thus, it is true!
All joking aside FDC, I never said Bautista would have hit him. I said, in a environment and situation like that, if you puff your chest out and get in a players space in what appears to be a threatening or agressive manner, most people would agree that it was fair to assume Odor thought Bautista was coming in to exchange hands and not to check his breath.
I'm all for exchanging opinion....I never claimed to know any of the incident to be true. Noone claimed facts except yourself. And the facts you claim are what everyone else seem to think are debatable.
Odor lowering his throwing arm, which is a big part of your "research", doesn't prove anything. I'd be willing to bet there are other replays from similar plays in which a defensive player in an attempt to avoid contact on a slide, alters all kinds of his motion, especially his throwing location. Most plays are fluid and these guys are so graceful on the diamond....but all that changes when you are anticipating a slide (legal or not) into your space....especially when it is in the general area of his pole and tackle.....
I'm guessing no matter what I say will help you to understand the other side of it....which is cool...I however do understand what you are saying. Punching someone isn't the smart choice . But in this instance, I think it was the good one.
I say it wasn't smart because you hurt your team. (especially when considering the competitive balance that exists in the division that they call home and the fact that a key player now misses 8 games)
Don't think I'm trying to convince you that Odor was correct in doing what he did....that's not for me to judge....I'm just saying I don't blame him and would've probably reacted similatly....at least would of taken Bautista to thee ground to defend myself....I have zero doubt that Bautista was going to put his hands on Odor in some capacity. A push- a shove- a punch- a headlock- who knows the extent. I would've made sure I wasn't on the wrong end of the exchange.
Regarding the suspensions....everyone knew odor would get more. He jabbed a guy in the face. That is way worse then what else took place. It wasn't a decision based off who was "more wrong" or was more of a instigator, it was a decision based off of the fact that odor punched him....Bautista didn't punch anyone
But if you were to ask the commish or Torre or anyone on the board, I would bet a lot of them would say Bautista was the main culprit in regards to instigating.
He flipped bat- not odor
He slid- not odor
Correction - he slid ILLEGALLY- Not odor
He was in a much safer position to avoid injury- not odor
He got up and closed the gap- not odor
Regardless if most of those are trivial instances or not, those are the events that got them to the situation they were in.
Odor was making a play- and got pissed at the dirty slide...even at that point it could have been avoided...Odor did nothing wrong up til now....Bautista then gets up and appears to be coming in hot....Odor still nothing wrong....then he belts him thinking he is going to get hit if he doesn't....
Soto argue that the suspensions justify either side is incorrect. They can only fine them for what happened and not the shit that caused it to happen....if that was the case, I'm certain the suspensions would have been reversed.
Holy fuck my hands asleep after all this.....time to close my eyes and jerk off and pretend I don't know who's doing it.
On that note- see ya man
Ps- I don't know you so my stance isn't to challenge you as a person- or question your decency - that can be between you and the other fellas- I just don't see this the same way you do.
Later
