Paq-DeLaHoya- I love this

[nj]

that blurb was from here: http://www.badlefthook.com/

the full article about dlh's arm is here: http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=17161

I strongly suggest Oscar backers read that boxingscene article. Scary stuff.

I was thinking Oscar straight, now I'm just thinking Oscar KO or the under 9.5. If his left dies on him he could get outworked and lose an embarassing decision. If he's in good health, it shouldn't go 12 anyway.

 

[weepaul]

I don't believe any of this horseshit.

His jab was working fine against Forbes.

This is the same shit that was pulled for Hatton/ Pretty Boy. In the lead up to the fight, it shows PBF getting his hands waxed for bad bones and his shoulder being fixed up and at the same time it shows Ricky killing that big body bag for 12 rounds non-stop.

They are trying to make this fight appear closer than it is.

DLH by blowout. Smaller BOXERS like Mayweather give Oscar trouble, not smaller BRAWLERS like Pac.

This fight is going to be a repeat of Jesse James Leija and Jorge Paez. Smaller, usually durable guy gets demolished within 3 rounds.

And NO, I am not comparing those fighters to Pac but I think the end result will be the same unless Pac has become a boxing master.

 

[nj]

I didn't watch Mayweather-Hatton 24/7, so maybe that's why I was so confident in Floyd while more casual fans were jumping ship.

You're right, if there is something wrong, it would likely not be leaked. And I agree, Hoya at good health should knock Manny out swiftly, Manny lunges in too often, and move straight in and out. One left hook counter should wipe him out.

I might forego the juice, and still stick to Oscar KO +150 or under 9.5 +160. Oscar does fade late, if it goes 9.5 it probably goes 12 anyway. And the under plays covers a miracle Pac win or a terribly injured/weight-drained Hoya loss.

 

[gardenweasel]

I don't believe any of this horseshit.

His jab was working fine against Forbes.

This is the same shit that was pulled for Hatton/ Pretty Boy. In the lead up to the fight, it shows PBF getting his hands waxed for bad bones and his shoulder being fixed up and at the same time it shows Ricky killing that big body bag for 12 rounds non-stop.

They are trying to make this fight appear closer than it is.

DLH by blowout. Smaller BOXERS like Mayweather give Oscar trouble, not smaller BRAWLERS like Pac.

This fight is going to be a repeat of Jesse James Leija and Jorge Paez. Smaller, usually durable guy gets demolished within 3 rounds.

And NO, I am not comparing those fighters to Pac but I think the end result will be the same unless Pac has become a boxing master.

word my brother.....if oscar loses to a 130 pounder,then i`ll gladly fly to costa rica and deliver the money to 5 dimes in person.....

and i`ll pay the man with a smile on my face...because when opportunities like this present,i just have to dive in...i can`t let rumors sway me...

oscar has more money than god....if he`s jaded enough to literally ruin a pretty great legacy by losing to a guy that`s 2 weight classes smaller and has to stand on a step stool to look him in the eye,well then,i`ve been had......

does anybody really think dlh`gonna trash his own legacy by losing to a super featherweight because "he`s damaged goods"?...this multi-millionaire genius?...

manny hasn`t fought all that much height in his career...i believe that morales or solis were his tallest opponents...and oscar`s got them by 2+ inches ......

if manny beats oscar,so be it....personally,at these odds(or maybe lower by fight time),i like our chances....

if i lose i can handle it...

btw...why the hell isn`t there a round robin between manny/humberto soto/jmm and joan guzman...instead of this overhyped circus?...

or an oscar/margarito showdown?...

there are "real" intriiguing fights just waiting to be made........:shrug:

honestly,if it weren`t for the wagering aspect of this,i wouldn`t be very excited by it...but thats me...

 

[weepaul]

I don't usually do this as I don't want to be called a bullshit artist but once or twice a year I have an astronomical bet.
The only person on this board who knows how much I bet is Romi as we have corresponded for a long time.

Last year my astronomical bet was on Mayweather to beat Hatton.

I bet $13,000 on Mayweather at roughly -200.
I also bet $2,000 on Mayweather ITD at +450.

I ended up winning more than $15,000 when all was said and done that night.

This fight between Oscar and Pac-Man will be my Astronomical bet for this year and just like last year, I don't believe any of the horseshit that is coming from both camps.

Most of my money is on Oscar to win but I will be putting LARGE amounts on Oscar ITD at +150 and Under 9 1/2 at +160.
I am also putting hefty wagers on Oscar to win inside 3 rounds at +900.

Pac is not a Boxer, he is a blood and guts warrior and it will be like pitting a pea-shooter against a tank.

Come fight night people are going to be surprised at how fast and hard hitting Oscar is. This is not David Diaz.
This is the same Pac who was knocked dead by a flyweight and staggered badly by a shot Oscar Larios, who needed half a round to regain his composure.

WHEN Oscar gets him in trouble, LIGHTS OUT!!!

Good luck with whatever everyone decides :toast:

 

[gardenweasel]

i posted humberto "sosa" instead of soto...heh...

weepaulie,my man....if i were to wager $15 grand on a fight,i`d make sure that i was heavily sedated with laudanum(to unconsciousness)......

with a pending "do not resuscitate" order(worst case scenario)if dlh wet the bed and a directive to feed my remains to the local raccoons(i like raccoons).............

hopefully,it won`t come to that....g.l. to us.....:toast:

 

[frank s.]

Yea,I feel similiar regarding rumors. That is always the case before "mega" events. Sportsbetting line on Oscar has dropped to -190. The new Cannery on Boulder Highway has/had/ Oscar-190, and they will take a lot more than $500-1000. At the "other" site there is a guy that posts his boxing picks and he is damn good. He likes Oscar in a big way. I have been tracking this guy and he is astute. Weasel knows what I'm talking about.

 

[Zerwas]

I have got a feeling that Manny might be more competetive than many people believe...

 

[gardenweasel]

i don`t think it will be caballero/molitor......

i`m thinking more bernard/dlh.....manny looking good early...and eventually the size/reach and power differential taking it`s toll...

bhop didn`t use the bhop slicks vs oscar...it wasn`t the typical bhop old school, "i just have to many tricks up my sleeve"surgical procedure....he just walked oscar down and eventually trapped him on the ropes.......

but,if manny beats dlh,it`s monumental and sets manny up as some sort of all time great super freak....

...has someone from this far down in the lower weight classes EVER attempted something like this?...

i recall lt heavies moving up to heavy...middles moving up to lt heavy....jones moving up to out quick ponderous john ruiz...

but i don`t recall anyone around the super featherweight/lightweight division jumping up and fighting basically a jr middle moving down to welter...

i don`t believe it`s been done...this is completely unprecedented in my recollection..

 

[Zerwas]

but i don`t recall anyone around the super featherweight/lightweight division jumping up and fighting basically a jr middle moving down to welter...

i don`t believe it`s been done...this is completely unprecedented in my recollection..

Well, oscar himself started his career as a superfeatherweight and he fought and won a title as high as middleweight...but Pacman weighed 106bs for his pro debut...he was a teenager though...

So, yes, it is pretty much unprecedented...but Pacman was a welterweight on fightnight against Diaz...I dont think he is any smaller than lets say Judah or Forbes...

And if Judah coud be very competetive against Clottey, I dont think that it is too unlikely that Pacman ca do the same...

 

[gardenweasel]

nobody can convince me that:

1)theres not a HUGE natural size and power differential here...not to mention height and reach..

2)that oscar`s a better pure boxer than manny..

3)that oscar isn`t the more powerful puncher...with the better set of whiskers...

4) pacquaio`s never...in his whole career...encountered these types of physical disadvantages...

5)that it`s not insanity for him to fight a lesser fighter at this weight before stepping in with a fighter of oscar`s caliber(this i can understand because if manny actually did this and it went badly,the oscar fight would never happen)....

manny is not a god...



i can only conclude that this is a money grab for manny and roach...their biggest paydays by far...probably the biggest of their careers...

and that they`ve reconciled with the idea that if manny loses to a guy so far out of his natural weight class that it won`t hurt his career because it`s perceived as such a longshot gamble.....he`ll be given credit for attempting such an amazing feat...

if manny goes 12,i`ll be shocked....if he wins,it`s one of the greatest accomplishments in boxing history...

that`s pretty much it for me...

g.l. whichever way everyone goes...

 

[weepaul]

A point I think a lot of people are missing is that Manny is a slugger, not a boxer.
Guys like Judah survive against bigger guys because they move away and do just that, survive.
Pac fights one way and it will be his downfall in this fight. He might be a big puncher but he is a nothing puncher compared to Trinidad and Quartey.

The only time In history I can compare is Henry Armstrong moving up from Feather to beat the great Welter champ Barney Ross.

History does not bode well for me :mj07:
Armstrong, the non stop punching, forward motion machine (Pac) beats the great but passed his best, much bigger champ (Oscar)!!!

History is NOT repeating. Oscar in a blowout!!!

 

[crow]

Let's not forget too the cut factor; Manny can be cut and stopped; Hoya doesn't necessarly have to KO his ass to the floor.

 

[gardenweasel]

more freddie roach skullduggery...

-The public send-off for Manny Pacquiao, scheduled for Monday at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood, has been canceled by Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach. "It's time to get down to business," said Roach. "Monday is our last day of training camp and we have a lot to work on.

"""" We have discovered a new flaw in Oscar's defense from a recent fight tape and we're adding a new weapon to Manny's repertoire. I don't want any distractions from that and I don't Manny held up from a timely departure from the gym. Canceling Monday's rally is totally my call. I'm sure Manny's fans will understand."""""'
Saturday, November 29 2008

i give freddie credit...oscar`s only been fighting professionally for 16 years....and freddie`s discovering new game changing ticks and flaws in oscar`s game that all the others seem to have missed....

sending cakes...secret plans.....all this juvenile bullshit is beginning to wear a bit thin....i used to like roach....

other than the monetary aspect of this bout,i didn`t give a big rat`s ass who won...now i`m actually hoping that oscar beats pacquaio like a rented mule....

oscar...if you weren`t motivated before,i hope you`re paying attention...

 

[nj]

agreed gw. roach used to be a likable, humble everyman, who gained sympathy points b/c of his disability.

now he just wont shut up. its really pathetic, he's using pac's fame to his own advantage, he'll give an interview to anyone at anytime, he'd probably grant me one if it would get him 15 seconds of fame. he's the king of unsolicited advice.

his comments arent intelligent or worthwhile, he talks for the sake of talking. please just shut up and do your job.

edit - and check your damn email gw :director:

 

[Romi]

I like freddie roach and I thinks he's a bona fide world class trainer but I have to agree he's stooped down a level over this fight. Oscar has gotten under his skin and he's really made this one personal. He's still a great trainer but I think Eddie Futch would be a little miffed at his prodigy for some of the comments he's made. If Pac loses, he'll have lots of splaining to do.

 

[gardenweasel]

i think freddie`s got a personal bone to pick with dlh...which i guess is understandable the way oscar uses and discards people...

trying to give freddie the bemefit of the doubt...cause i don`t remember him ever being this animated before a fight involving one of his guys...:shrug:

poor freddie...the dude does have a full plate with the parkinson`s and all...god bless him...

 

[nj]

weepaul: Oscar 1-3 is +1200 at ladbrokes, Oscar 4-6 is +800.

 

[nj]

I've taken:

Not to go 12: +120, massive/ridiculous
under 9.5 +160: medium
Oscar 1-9: small cumulated, most put into rds 4-6, then 1-3, 7-9 is like a hedge

Im waiting for a +200 Oscar KO line to play small since I already have 1-9 covered, and waiting for special props to come up, like KD's and Lederman.

My biggest play will be not go distance, since it covers EVERYTHING, at a dog number to boot. I wouldnt be able to live with myself if something ridiciulous haoppened like a freak injury or headbutt, the doesn't go the distance is the safest bet in town.

My very last play might be Oscar by dec/tech dec, a tiny hedge, mostly to cover a headbutt in the KO bets. It seems every time I play KO, there's a headbutt and I lose on tech dec., so I have to hedge for that lol.

 

[crow]

Pac is as fearless as they come, he has an OK chin, and it will take some beating before he surrenders.

And the big question with Oscar is that he still remains a safety first fighter; i do believe he's going to beat Manny, but i still have reservations about a KO outside eventual cuts or a throwing of the towel by Freddie.