President Donald J Trump

[airportis]

Where do I even start with that one Cie? This is just one reason.....

I live an area where there are a ton of illegal immigrants. They work their asses off in the fields in 100+ degree heat, everyday for minimum wage. They are by far the hardest working class in America and it's not even close. They toil in the blistering heat, they work in dusty dirt that's as fine as talcum powder that gets into their lungs, along with chemicals off the fruits and vegetables they pick.

They spend their money in the small towns they live in and add back to the economy. A lot of them are undocumented and raise children who go to our schools. There is no one else in this country that do the kind of work they do for the inexcusable amount they do it for. No black, no white and no other race. No other race would do that work. So If you keep them from being here, if you deport them, you will soon find out what it's like to pay $5 for a head of lettuce. Who do you think would do that work? And everything you eat will rise in price tenfold. Trust me. People just think, oh, let's send them all back and deny them entry without considering the collateral damages. It would be epic to do such a thing in this country.

And. I never understood why it's acceptable to pay an illegal Cuban entering the country $70 million to pitch a baseball, and yet the people who work the hardest to feed the entire country and world for that matter, for a mere pittance, are the ones we want to send packing. It's just hypocritical.....

so since they work hard, which is admirable, should they not have to pay taxes or into the system by other means?

I am not questioning their work ethic and intentions (most of them) because when I am in the US I too live nearby to areas populated heavily by immigrants and I believe what you say to be true and that they are good hard workers. But, a good work ethic and willingness to work for a "pittance" isn't grounds for being able to live here illegally. it isn't a trade off. there are rules and laws, and it baffles me that anyone can make the argument that they shouldn't apply.

unfortunately you have to play by the rules. if you want to live in another country, you have to go about it correctly and go through the process. it isn't a free for all where you just get to pick up and move wherever you want.

if the US got flooded with immigrants from another country, illegally, and they didn't do these jobs nobody wants to do and worked hard, would you want them sent home? is the only difference the way they work?

uncontrolled immigration can absolutely cripple a country and its infrastructure. if you have any doubts at all, take a good hard look at what has been/is happening in the UK right now.

 

[LuvThemDogs]

so since they work hard, which is admirable, should they not have to pay taxes or into the system by other means?

I am not questioning their work ethic and intentions (most of them) because when I am in the US I too live nearby to areas populated heavily by immigrants and I believe what you say to be true and that they are good hard workers. But, a good work ethic and willingness to work for a "pittance" isn't grounds for being able to live here illegally. it isn't a trade off. there are rules and laws, and it baffles me that anyone can make the argument that they shouldn't apply.

unfortunately you have to play by the rules. if you want to live in another country, you have to go about it correctly and go through the process. it isn't a free for all where you just get to pick up and move wherever you want.

if the US got flooded with immigrants from another country, illegally, and they didn't do these jobs nobody wants to do and worked hard, would you want them sent home? is the only difference the way they work?

uncontrolled immigration can absolutely cripple a country and its infrastructure. if you have any doubts at all, take a good hard look at what has been/is happening in the UK right now.

Since it shouldn't just be OK to come here as you please, I think you need to lead a movement to send every professional ball player back to the country they came from since they virtually all came here illegally.

It has NEVER crippled this country having them here at any point in the past 50 years. If anything, we have been far better off. This is a very strong workforce and the farming industry would be decimated if it was removed. My parents, parents were immigrants. As well as millions of people. So denying access is not what this country was founded on.

Do you actually think all those undocumented workers don't pay taxes? The farmers take taxes out of all their pay. They don't get paid cash under the table. EVER. Do you think when they walk into Walmart and buy all those items they need to live, they don't have to pay taxes? Or the gas that runs their cars is tax free?

And you're right. It shouldn't be free to all. It shouldn't be that we get this hard working immigrant who gets taxed out of his pay, who contributes back to the economy by buying products and living in cheap squaller and then want to deny them any of the benefits that the rest of us get. Are there abuses? Of course. There is abuses throughout every part of gov't. That doesn't mean you strip it away. I would be more inclined to have an open border with Mexico, because it would probably mean a better country, more people wanting to stay and prosper, and millions of Americans wanting to invest and live there. It's a beautiful place that has many areas undeveloped.

It's easy to just say, send them all back. TAHT is what would cripple this country in ways that would be epic. And it would trickle down the food chain, as it were, and lead to incredible inflation that has never been seen before. Trust me, there is no one else that is willing to do what a farm laborer will do for the amount they are willing to do it for.

I have no problem giving them all work visas and/or citizenship......

 

[Cie]

Where do I even start with that one Cie? This is just one reason.....

I live an area where there are a ton of illegal immigrants. They work their asses off in the fields in 100+ degree heat, everyday for minimum wage. They are by far the hardest working class in America and it's not even close. They toil in the blistering heat, they work in dusty dirt that's as fine as talcum powder that gets into their lungs, along with chemicals off the fruits and vegetables they pick.

They spend their money in the small towns they live in and add back to the economy. A lot of them are undocumented and raise children who go to our schools. There is no one else in this country that do the kind of work they do for the inexcusable amount they do it for. No black, no white and no other race. No other race would do that work. So If you keep them from being here, if you deport them, you will soon find out what it's like to pay $5 for a head of lettuce. Who do you think would do that work? And everything you eat will rise in price tenfold. Trust me. People just think, oh, let's send them all back and deny them entry without considering the collateral damages. It would be epic to do such a thing in this country.

And. I never understood why it's acceptable to pay an illegal Cuban entering the country $70 million to pitch a baseball, and yet the people who work the hardest to feed the entire country and world for that matter, for a mere pittance, are the ones we want to send packing. It's just hypocritical.....

No one is talking about deporting all illegals, so why go there?

My parents are immigrants. They played by the rules, though. We should extend work visas to employed illegals and deport illegals with criminal records. Open border is crazy talk.

 

[StevieD]

The reason we have these protesters is because Trump was the only one who is not a Globalist. The college kids are being spurred on by their colleges, the president and the main stream media. All of who happen to be Globalists.
You would not have these protest if Hillary lost to Jeb, Romney, McClain, Kasich etc because they are all Globalist.
We had a Never Trump movement that had the likes of Chris Matthews and Racel Maddow, another couple of Globalist, wetting themselves they were getting so excited putting down Trump day after day.

If Trump people where protesting we would be called every name in the book.

The colleges are ok with this because Hillary was going to keep their gravy train running. Trump maybe not.

 

[fatdaddycool]

I find the constant partisan rhetoric dizzying. Blaming all of the USA's woes on the right is just as dumb as lowell & co blaming it all on the left. The only difference on this site is that most of the hard left are a little brighter than lowell, skul, hedge and ray, which is why i have been caught off guard by comments from you and whatshusnuts in particular, and the hard left in general.

I don't believe all our woes are the fault of the right. Some of the stronger statements I make I'm sure are borne of frustration.

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[smurphy]

Young people don't need to be spurred on by anything to protest. It's what young people should do every now and then regardless. It's good for them and good for the country. I don't ever wanna be too old and grouchy to understand that. Trump said plenty of hateful things directed at all kinds of folks the last 15 months to warrant a healthy dose of yelling and marching and energetic discontent. Most of is just venting and we should be thankful we can do that in this country. God bless America and our 1st Amendment.:00x21

 

[StevieD]

I agree, but read the following, and this goes for anyone else in here. Read it fast. After reading what I post below, Tell me what you remember.....

6 bankruptcies...........................EMAILS

Making fun of the disabled..............EMAILS

Denigrates women........................EMAILS

12 sexual assault filings...................EMAILS

Racist remarks against Hispanic judge.........EMAILS

Banning Muslims from the country...........EMAILS

Building a wall to keep Mexicans out...........EMAILS

Attacked parents of a fallen soldier.............EMAILS

Calls global warming a hoax..................EMAILS

Bragged about not paying income taxes............EMAILS

Scammed students at his Univ.......................EMAILS

Bilked thousands out of money for completed work........EMAILS

A fraud trial coming up next month.......................EMAILS

Bragged about grabbing women by the pussy............EMAILS


What do you remember? This is what the campaigns looked like on a daily basis in the news times 1000.

Which is why the Bernie the Sellout should have brought it all up during the Primary.

 

[Wineguy]

Alan,
I can read and so can you. At the start of the paragraph did he quantify his statement as some not all, because I don't see it.

It doesn't matter anyway, because as much as airportis dislikes me or we disagree, I actually respect the guy. I think he's an intelligent, respectful man. I doubt that he enters into anything without forethought. I don't believe him to be racist in the true sense of the word, in that I mean he's probably like most all of us when we get stuck being a slow driver and the driver turns out to be Asian many of us might think to ourselves, "big surprise there", and move on. I think he adds a lot to the forum and he hates my guts, so he can't be all bad. He keeps me on my toes and paying attention though and I respect him for that. We just have different views and ways of expressing ourselves sometimes.

I don't have to see things your way to respect your opinion.



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This is where you go overboard and missed my whole point. Of course airportis didn't mean ALL 100% of every single person. But if you DID take it that way, then why would you say if 100% are vandalizing (in the way only you take his post) that "Yeah, those damn twats, exercising their civil rights and shit, what losers. "
This is where Alan and I read his post differently than you, knowing not ALL of the protesters are violent. Sheezus!! But your comment above, if you took it as 100% as you say, then why, with your thinking what he meant, would those 100% be called "exercising their civil rights and shit" and not be criminals to you? THAT is all I was trying to get across, yet you ONCE AGAIN, only read things as (since I am Chucky now) Crissy sees them. For God's sake get the fuck over it. Thanks again though for pointing out how you read things and not how I meant it. Alan even states how he did not think airportis meant 100% as only only you can read into someone's post. No wonder people get tired of arguing with you on the internet. It's absolutely impossible. THAT was my disagreement with you from the beginning. Reread my post number 321, the first one directed at you. Pretty fucking simple. YOU picked out of the post that he meant 100% of the people were violent, no one else did.

Now go ahead and try to turn this post around with how you think, it cannot be easier to interpret, but maybe not for you. I am sure I alluded to something in here that will turn your head in a different thought process, but then again, what's new.

 

[hedgehog]

Young people don't need to be spurred on by anything to protest. It's what young people should do every now and then regardless. It's good for them and good for the country. I don't ever wanna be too old and grouchy to understand that. Trump said plenty of hateful things directed at all kinds of folks the last 15 months to warrant a healthy dose of yelling and marching and energetic discontent. Most of is just venting and we should be thankful we can do that in this country. God bless America and our 1st Amendment.:00x21

Young people need to get over it and be good sports about losing. This generation got trophies for participation, never got a spanking and want to hug it out. A whole generation of wussies. Its been 10 days now, its time to move forward and Make America Great Again

 

[airportis]

Since it shouldn't just be OK to come here as you please, I think you need to lead a movement to send every professional ball player back to the country they came from since they virtually all came here illegally.

It has NEVER crippled this country having them here at any point in the past 50 years. If anything, we have been far better off. This is a very strong workforce and the farming industry would be decimated if it was removed. My parents, parents were immigrants. As well as millions of people. So denying access is not what this country was founded on.

Do you actually think all those undocumented workers don't pay taxes? The farmers take taxes out of all their pay. They don't get paid cash under the table. EVER. Do you think when they walk into Walmart and buy all those items they need to live, they don't have to pay taxes? Or the gas that runs their cars is tax free?

And you're right. It shouldn't be free to all. It shouldn't be that we get this hard working immigrant who gets taxed out of his pay, who contributes back to the economy by buying products and living in cheap squaller and then want to deny them any of the benefits that the rest of us get. Are there abuses? Of course. There is abuses throughout every part of gov't. That doesn't mean you strip it away. I would be more inclined to have an open border with Mexico, because it would probably mean a better country, more people wanting to stay and prosper, and millions of Americans wanting to invest and live there. It's a beautiful place that has many areas undeveloped.

It's easy to just say, send them all back. TAHT is what would cripple this country in ways that would be epic. And it would trickle down the food chain, as it were, and lead to incredible inflation that has never been seen before. Trust me, there is no one else that is willing to do what a farm laborer will do for the amount they are willing to do it for.

I have no problem giving them all work visas and/or citizenship......

I think your comparison to ball players coming from Cuba or wherever else is way off base and the connection between the 2 are not even in the same ball park for that matter. I have no problem with them coming here as skilled workers. Do they earn a ludicrous wage? Sure, but that is not for me to decide or dictate what they earn. Good for them I say.

A pitcher/hitter/whatever coming from Cuba is coming in as a skilled worker. Like it or not, or as unfair as you may think it is, they are classified as skilled workers. Someone picking lettuce or tomatoes on a farm is not classified as a skilled worker. Much like in the UK, if you want a work visa, you have to demonstrate that you have a unique skill set and can perform the role better, or that you can perform a role people in the UK already can't do. I.E. show that you have something to offer the country not already available. Regardless of if people are willing to do it or not, it is already available.

Pitching or hitting a baseball professionally is definitely a unique, rare, and extraordinary skill set that 99% of the population can not do. So the professions looking to employ these positions are of course going to pay out of country talent to fill their roles if need be. If you can pitch 105mph, that is an extraordinary skill set that not many other people can offer.

Also, I don't believe looking at the past is a good way to predict the future in all cases. You say that in the last 50 years it hasn't crippled the country. Ok, fair enough, maybe it hasn't. But to say that is a constant that will remain, I can assure you is not how it works.

Again I will draw the comparison to the UK. The UK has an immigration problem. They've just recently voted for Brexit, as I am sure you know, and the main problem people had with being in the EU and wanting out is the immigration problem. Being in the EU, people can flood to any country they want so long as their country is also in the EU. Pretty much like open borders, which is what you suggest, which is absolutely laughable. Anyway, the UK hasn't been crippled yet maybe, but I can say without little doubt that the NHS is more than on its way to being crippled. The NHS is the free for all healthcare system in place in the UK. Everyone is entitled to free healthcare via the NHS. When you work in the UK, part of your paycheck goes towards NHS. Well here is the problem, many immigrants come to the UK, get healthcare, and pay nothing into the system. They flood into the country, use the NHS, and collect benefits. All without paying into the system. Yes, this will eventually cripple the system, and the NHS is headed in that direction big time. I have seen first hand the astonishing waste, mismanagement, and complete fuckery the NHS has become. Obviously all the problems aren't a direct result of immigration but I can tell you that it is definitely a major contributing factor.

Everyone who is an American has ancestors who were immigrants at some point. I am not saying nobody should be let in. You are right, the country was founded on immigrants. But this isn't 100+ years ago. This is 2017 nearly. If you want to come here, you should have to do it legally. Otherwise, why have laws at all? It is pretty simple. I have nothing against anyone who wants to move out of a bad situation and come to America to try and make a better life for themselves or their family. But, you have to do it legally. You can not just sneak in and not play by the same rules as everyone else.

And you also make out like these illegals are jolly do gooders who just earn their wage and spend it in town at the local convenient stores and supermarket. I am pretty sure that a lot of money gets sent back across the border. I know a lot of times maybe just a father will come here illegally, work and earn money, live in "squaller" and send most of his wage back home to his family. That isn't supporting the system at all. I am sure that is not the case with all, just as I am sure that them spending their wages in America on items back into the system is not the case with all of them.

You really can't say what would happen if a "deport them all" scenario happened. Not that it would, and I don't think anyone is calling for that, but I am sure things would correct themselves. Maybe farmers would have to pay a bit extra for their help? Anyway, we are talking fantasy here because that isn't a scenario anyone is calling for.

You can't go back and retroactively fix a huge mess. I agree with Cie that all illegal criminals should get bounced straight back to wherever they came from no questions asked. I also believe that much more strict border enforcement should be implemented and if you want to come here, you get in line and do it legally through the correct process.

 

[LuvThemDogs]

I think your comparison to ball players coming from Cuba or wherever else is way off base and the connection between the 2 are not even in the same ball park for that matter. I have no problem with them coming here as skilled workers. Do they earn a ludicrous wage? Sure, but that is not for me to decide or dictate what they earn. Good for them I say.

A pitcher/hitter/whatever coming from Cuba is coming in as a skilled worker. Like it or not, or as unfair as you may think it is, they are classified as skilled workers. Someone picking lettuce or tomatoes on a farm is not classified as a skilled worker. Much like in the UK, if you want a work visa, you have to demonstrate that you have a unique skill set and can perform the role better, or that you can perform a role people in the UK already can't do. I.E. show that you have something to offer the country not already available. Regardless of if people are willing to do it or not, it is already available.

Pitching or hitting a baseball professionally is definitely a unique, rare, and extraordinary skill set that 99% of the population can not do. So the professions looking to employ these positions are of course going to pay out of country talent to fill their roles if need be. If you can pitch 105mph, that is an extraordinary skill set that not many other people can offer.

Also, I don't believe looking at the past is a good way to predict the future in all cases. You say that in the last 50 years it hasn't crippled the country. Ok, fair enough, maybe it hasn't. But to say that is a constant that will remain, I can assure you is not how it works.

Again I will draw the comparison to the UK. The UK has an immigration problem. They've just recently voted for Brexit, as I am sure you know, and the main problem people had with being in the EU and wanting out is the immigration problem. Being in the EU, people can flood to any country they want so long as their country is also in the EU. Pretty much like open borders, which is what you suggest, which is absolutely laughable. Anyway, the UK hasn't been crippled yet maybe, but I can say without little doubt that the NHS is more than on its way to being crippled. The NHS is the free for all healthcare system in place in the UK. Everyone is entitled to free healthcare via the NHS. When you work in the UK, part of your paycheck goes towards NHS. Well here is the problem, many immigrants come to the UK, get healthcare, and pay nothing into the system. They flood into the country, use the NHS, and collect benefits. All without paying into the system. Yes, this will eventually cripple the system, and the NHS is headed in that direction big time. I have seen first hand the astonishing waste, mismanagement, and complete fuckery the NHS has become. Obviously all the problems aren't a direct result of immigration but I can tell you that it is definitely a major contributing factor.

Everyone who is an American has ancestors who were immigrants at some point. I am not saying nobody should be let in. You are right, the country was founded on immigrants. But this isn't 100+ years ago. This is 2017 nearly. If you want to come here, you should have to do it legally. Otherwise, why have laws at all? It is pretty simple. I have nothing against anyone who wants to move out of a bad situation and come to America to try and make a better life for themselves or their family. But, you have to do it legally. You can not just sneak in and not play by the same rules as everyone else.

And you also make out like these illegals are jolly do gooders who just earn their wage and spend it in town at the local convenient stores and supermarket. I am pretty sure that a lot of money gets sent back across the border. I know a lot of times maybe just a father will come here illegally, work and earn money, live in "squaller" and send most of his wage back home to his family. That isn't supporting the system at all. I am sure that is not the case with all, just as I am sure that them spending their wages in America on items back into the system is not the case with all of them.

You really can't say what would happen if a "deport them all" scenario happened. Not that it would, and I don't think anyone is calling for that, but I am sure things would correct themselves. Maybe farmers would have to pay a bit extra for their help? Anyway, we are talking fantasy here because that isn't a scenario anyone is calling for.

You can't go back and retroactively fix a huge mess. I agree with Cie that all illegal criminals should get bounced straight back to wherever they came from no questions asked. I also believe that much more strict border enforcement should be implemented and if you want to come here, you get in line and do it legally through the correct process.

You said eventually this might happen and eventually that might happen. It HASN'T happened. It's typical Conservative ideology. That sky is falling talk and meant to play into the fears of everyone. The fear that the migrant farmworker becomes extinct in this country is far more troubling to the economy than illegals being here which has been the norm for many years. You have no clue if you think that workforce doesn't matter in keeping the economy robust. Lose it and people will feel its effects in many ways as inflation skyrockets. It all starts with the farmers and the price of food we eat and export and trickles down to everything else. To say illegals don't spend their money here is also clueless. They are here for months and years. They ARE the entire economy in many small farming towns throughout central Calif.

I have plenty of friends living in the UK and they are very happy with their healthcare system and how it works for them.

Skilled work, yes, non skilled work, no, is just hypocrisy.....

 

[airportis]

You said eventually this might happen and eventually that might happen. It HASN'T happened. It's typical Conservative ideology. That sky is falling talk and meant to play into the fears of everyone. The fear that the migrant farmworker becomes extinct in this country is far more troubling to the economy than illegals being here which has been the norm for many years. You have no clue if you think that workforce doesn't matter in keeping the economy robust. Lose it and people will feel its effects in many ways as inflation skyrockets. It all starts with the farmers and the price of food we eat and export and trickles down to everything else. To say illegals don't spend their money here is also clueless. They are here for months and years. They ARE the entire economy in many small farming towns throughout central Calif.

I have plenty of friends living in the UK and they are very happy with their healthcare system and how it works for them.

Skilled work, yes, non skilled work, no, is just hypocrisy.....

I don't think it is conservative at all. Nor do I think the sky is falling. Nor am I scared or trying to invoke fear into anyone. I just think looking at the future is a lot more logical than the attitude of hey it hasn't happened yet, fuck it, lets keep rolling with this.

Do you handicap sports? Horses?

If the Patriots cover every single week for 5 weeks. for 8 weeks. for 10 weeks. are you going to think that hey this is a great gravy train it'll never change. hammering down hand over fist on the Pats minus/plus whatever every single week. Or are you going to realize that things correct themselves over time and catch up or even out.

If California Chrome wins every race, are you going to just bet him blindly since he hasn't let you down or failed yet. Or are you going to factor in future events and other contributing factors that can change the outcome of the race.

I really doubt your plenty of friends in the UK are either 1. being honest with you or 2. use the NHS much because I can tell you without any doubts at all that probably 80% (probably a lot more, this is generous) of the people I know here in the UK think the NHS is in a dire state and an absolute piss take.

Like I said, Brexit was voted on and won and a major player was the failing NHS. I know people who work directly within the NHS and the message is all the same. It is in a tail spin and losing more money than it is bringing in. But hey, why look into the future since it hasn't failed yet. I am sure the model of spend more than you bring in will hold up over the next 10, 15, 20 years.

 

[LuvThemDogs]

I don't think it is conservative at all. Nor do I think the sky is falling. Nor am I scared or trying to invoke fear into anyone. I just think looking at the future is a lot more logical than the attitude of hey it hasn't happened yet, fuck it, lets keep rolling with this.

Do you handicap sports? Horses?

If the Patriots cover every single week for 5 weeks. for 8 weeks. for 10 weeks. are you going to think that hey this is a great gravy train it'll never change. hammering down hand over fist on the Pats minus/plus whatever every single week. Or are you going to realize that things correct themselves over time and catch up or even out.

If California Chrome wins every race, are you going to just bet him blindly since he hasn't let you down or failed yet. Or are you going to factor in future events and other contributing factors that can change the outcome of the race.

I really doubt your plenty of friends in the UK are either 1. being honest with you or 2. use the NHS much because I can tell you without any doubts at all that probably 80% (probably a lot more, this is generous) of the people I know here in the UK think the NHS is in a dire state and an absolute piss take.

Like I said, Brexit was voted on and won and a major player was the failing NHS. I know people who work directly within the NHS and the message is all the same. It is in a tail spin and losing more money than it is bringing in. But hey, why look into the future since it hasn't failed yet. I am sure the model of spend more than you bring in will hold up over the next 10, 15, 20 years.

I guess I don't know how to be more succinct or direct to you when I tell you, any attempt to dismantle the Mexican farm laborers will in effect crash this country. And I've proven it with facts about exactly how that will happen. You have proved nothing by beating a drum that illegals need to be rounded up and sent back. You have zero facts of what that might entail or cost this country.

If Brexit had a revote today, it would lose by a wide margin. Just like if a revote for Trump happened today, he too would lose. People were too lazy to vote and felt it was all but sure thing that either would happen. So your Brexit argument isn't really valid either. I will stand by all my friends who are fine with the way healthcare works in the UK, you can stand by yours.

 

[airportis]

I guess I don't know how to be more succinct or direct to you when I tell you, any attempt to dismantle the Mexican farm laborers will in effect crash this country. And I've proven it with facts about exactly how that will happen. You have proved nothing by beating a drum that illegals need to be rounded up and sent back. You have zero facts of what that might entail or cost this country.

If Brexit had a revote today, it would lose by a wide margin. Just like if a revote for Trump happened today, he too would lose. People were too lazy to vote and felt it was all but sure thing that either would happen. So your Brexit argument isn't really valid either. I will stand by all my friends who are fine with the way healthcare works in the UK, you can stand by yours.

:142smilie

No. No it would not. :mj07:


This is why affiliating with a political party is so god damn stupid. It is like convincing an Auburn fan to turn around and become the worlds #1 Alabama fan. It isn't going to happen. You root for your team and entrench yourself in that stance, becoming numb to any logic thrown out there that might go against own beliefs. I am a fan of this and my team says this so it must be good. Fuck everything else, I don't even want to hear it!

:facepalm:

I don't think you are stating any facts. Just opinions. Like mine. But you seem to think yours are fact and mine are invalid. You are saying the country would crumble without the illegal immigrant farm worker. Really? Would it? That is what would cripple America? Better hope the secret doesn't get out. Why spend all this $ on defense when we should be pumping it into the illegal immigrant game. Hopefully our enemies don't catch wind to this and try to seduce them all away because then they'd have destroyed America!

 

[Sportsaholic]

I guess I don't know how to be more succinct or direct to you when I tell you, any attempt to dismantle the Mexican farm laborers will in effect crash this country. And I've proven it with facts about exactly how that will happen. You have proved nothing by beating a drum that illegals need to be rounded up and sent back. You have zero facts of what that might entail or cost this country.

If Brexit had a revote today, it would lose by a wide margin. Just like if a revote for Trump happened today, he too would lose. People were too lazy to vote and felt it was all but sure thing that either would happen. So your Brexit argument isn't really valid either. I will stand by all my friends who are fine with the way healthcare works in the UK, you can stand by yours.

Come on, there has been plenty of opportunity to put a plan in place (at least 8 years) and legalize the immigrant work force.......Why hasn't it been done before now?

 

[LuvThemDogs]

:142smilie

No. No it would not. :mj07:


This is why affiliating with a political party is so god damn stupid. It is like convincing an Auburn fan to turn around and become the worlds #1 Alabama fan. It isn't going to happen. You root for your team and entrench yourself in that stance, becoming numb to any logic thrown out there that might go against own beliefs. I am a fan of this and my team says this so it must be good. Fuck everything else, I don't even want to hear it!

:facepalm:

I don't think you are stating any facts. Just opinions. Like mine. But you seem to think yours are fact and mine are invalid. You are saying the country would crumble without the illegal immigrant farm worker. Really? Would it? That is what would cripple America? Better hope the secret doesn't get out. Why spend all this $ on defense when we should be pumping it into the illegal immigrant game. Hopefully our enemies don't catch wind to this and try to seduce them all away because then they'd have destroyed America!

Hmmm. Ok. You seem to want to say I don't have facts and somehow you do? You haven't said anything factual yet. Since you want to draw a comparison to Brexit and the NHS and what we have here. Here are the facts for you.

60% in this very accurate 2015 survey say they are completely satisfied with the NHS. Down 5% from two years ago. Not quite the disapproval you speak of, is it? Brexit would fail miserably if revoted. Fact. Last I checked, 60% approval is quite high.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/public-satisfaction-nhs/bsa-survey-2015

 

[UGA12]

Come on, there has been plenty of opportunity to put a plan in place (at least 8 years) and legalize the immigrant work force.......Why hasn't it been done before now?

Ewe ewe, Me Me, over here.........Cause the other side wouldn't allow it to happen............................. Amarite?

 

[airportis]

Hmmm. Ok. You seem to want to say I don't have facts and somehow you do? You haven't said anything factual yet. Since you want to draw a comparison to Brexit and the NHS and what we have here. Here are the facts for you.

60% in this very accurate 2015 survey say they are completely satisfied with the NHS. Down 5% from two years ago. Not quite the disapproval you speak of, is it? Brexit would fail miserably if revoted. Fact. Last I checked, 60% approval is quite high.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/public-satisfaction-nhs/bsa-survey-2015

I said I have opinions, just like you. You have opinions. I think they are wild. Open borders with Mexico for example. Wild. Insane. Asinine.

I don't think you are comprehending or understanding what I am saying. The NHS is failing due to immigration and terrible practice. That doesn't mean some people can't still be happy with their GP. That doesn't reflect on the NHS as a system and how it is failing.

Take a look at this report published by the very same people who published the survey you linked to.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/...eficits_in_the_NHS_Kings_Fund_July_2016_1.pdf

You don't have to read the whole thing, it is pretty long.


NHS providers and commissioners ended 2015/16 with an aggregate deficit of
?1.85 billion (unaudited), a threefold increase on the previous year. This is the
largest aggregate deficit in NHS history.


The NHS is haemorrhaging money uncontrollably. Now you can be happy with your GP all you want, but that is nothing short of a cold hard fact showing that the NHS is failing. A main reason many wanted out of the EU. And they got it.

If your GP is nice to you, I am pretty sure that would get a "yes" vote on are you satisfied. Right? It doesn't factor in what that GP does though does it. It doesn't factor in the over prescriptions of drugs or anything else now does it?

You are really out of your element with the NHS because you have no idea what you are talking about. I wouldn't expect you to because you don't live here and experience it first hand. I'd also be pretty confident in saying none of your friends in the UK work within the NHS.

The point is the system is broken. It is broken and failing (undeniable. look at the report. Facts opcorn2) because of what has happened and gone on without being corrected.

If you leave something and don't react, shit hits the fan eventually and then you have a way bigger mess to clean up than if you evaluate earlier and adjust accordingly.




Oh, here is this too from the report.


The principal cause of the deficit is the fact that funding has not kept pace
with the increasing demand for services.



Fact. Immigration. Fact.

 

[Sportsaholic]

Ewe ewe, Me Me, over here.........Cause the other side wouldn't allow it to happen............................. Amarite?

And people keep asking why Trump is the incoming President........This isn't Rep/Dem and all the BS in between......This is "change".......like it or not......:0008

 

[fatdaddycool]

This is where you go overboard and missed my whole point. Of course airportis didn't mean ALL 100% of every single person. But if you DID take it that way, then why would you say if 100% are vandalizing (in the way only you take his post) that "Yeah, those damn twats, exercising their civil rights and shit, what losers. "
This is where Alan and I read his post differently than you, knowing not ALL of the protesters are violent. Sheezus!! But your comment above, if you took it as 100% as you say, then why, with your thinking what he meant, would those 100% be called "exercising their civil rights and shit" and not be criminals to you? THAT is all I was trying to get across, yet you ONCE AGAIN, only read things as (since I am Chucky now) Crissy sees them. For God's sake get the fuck over it. Thanks again though for pointing out how you read things and not how I meant it. Alan even states how he did not think airportis meant 100% as only only you can read into someone's post. No wonder people get tired of arguing with you on the internet. It's absolutely impossible. THAT was my disagreement with you from the beginning. Reread my post number 321, the first one directed at you. Pretty fucking simple. YOU picked out of the post that he meant 100% of the people were violent, no one else did.

Now go ahead and try to turn this post around with how you think, it cannot be easier to interpret, but maybe not for you. I am sure I alluded to something in here that will turn your head in a different thought process, but then again, what's new.

Are you kidding right now?


Seriously, did you actually post this pile of crap as a joke or something?


Not only is this complete and utter bullshit, it's one of the worst attempts at lying to get yourself out of trouble I've heard from anyone over twelve years of age.


Airportis made a comment about probably the same twats that refuse to show cops ID, I'm paraphrasing, so I sarcastically responded to that using the exact same term.

That was post #305 & 306.

Alan made a comment to which I responded in post 310 and again in 312 that although airportis didn't quantify his statement, choosing to use the terms, "these protestors" and "they" that I knew not all protestors were violent and was fairly confident he did too.


Your first post to be started with "The KING of civil rights has spoken"


Where in the flying fuck did I ever say anything about 100%, and more importantly, where in the lying dick did you ever bring that up as your point.

The topic of any paragraph is usually in the first fucking sentence. You're full of shit Chuck, your intent and your point was to whine and bitch. That's it. There is no other bullshit of me missing your point, you never had a point, you never do. You prefer to make your snide comments, act pretentious, and then blather on about how you were wounded and wronged by someone telling you to shut your bitch ass up.

I've seen this show from you before Chuck. It's only a matter of time until you complain to jaek, if you haven't already. You bitch about everyone that doesn't put up with your wine and whine shit. This is a rerun.

Just run your mouth to someone else, Go tell some other dickhead that you're just the man to tell him what others are thinking champ. It's that simple. I won't bother you, you can count on that.



What a crock of shit your last post was about this though, good grief.





Hope this helps,
FDC

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